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[Gandalf il Bianco]

Just one of the most idiotic game design i ever seen.
He's my only healer I wanted to kill him but i could not, cause doing would have left me without healing.
Really, really stupid game design.

[Nyaore]

gdmfx wrote...

I was tempted to kill him. Even though I played as a good guy. But the selfish part of me wanted him because of his heals. And frankly ever since he made his presence in the game, he has always been in my party. I cant wait to find every opportunity to get rid of him on my next playthrough. I am sick of his whiny attitude.

And yes, he played me bad. I was pissed. I also wanna know how the hell he did that. What can someone do thats so powerful like that in this game ?

And if he can do stuff like that, why not in Dragon Age: Awakening....??

And surely it was not Justice , or was it ?

Anyhow, I dont like Anders. He was necessary for the heals but he is annoying.

I think Justice/Vengence was certainly the catalyst that started him down this particular wayward path. In Awakenings he certainly had a seething hatred for the Templars just brewing under the surface, but he was never truly willing to act upon it as shown in his dialogue conversations with said spirit. It was only once he and Justice merged that he started boarding the train to crazy town, so to speak. First with killing the Wardens in his short story, though that could arguably be explained as him going out of control after the merger, and then finally culminating with the destruction of the Chantry.

[wetnasty]

I couldn't kill him, I caught feelings for the boy. Then my crazy ass said "fine I'll run away with you~"


In reality, I just *really* needed a healer since my Bethany was still in the circle, and I was a rogue. They either need to put in more potions or more characters!!! How can you survive without a mage if you kill Anders?

[Gandalf il Bianco]

wetnasty wrote...
In reality, I just *really* needed a healer since my Bethany was still in the circle, and I was a rogue. They either need to put in more potions or more characters!!! How can you survive without a mage if you kill Anders?

My Bethany died in the deep road and I'm a warrior, so Anders is the ONLY one who can heal in all the game for me. 
I repeat, this is the most stupid choice i ever seen in a game. 

[SnakeHelah]

Gandalf il Bianco wrote...

wetnasty wrote...
In reality, I just *really* needed a healer since my Bethany was still in the circle, and I was a rogue. They either need to put in more potions or more characters!!! How can you survive without a mage if you kill Anders?

My Bethany died in the deep road and I'm a warrior, so Anders is the ONLY one who can heal in all the game for me. 
I repeat, this is the most stupid choice i ever seen in a game. 

You guys could be a bit more tactical in-game. I did not kill Anders but took Bethany with me instaed of him, and I was playing on hard, do you even imagine how hard the end game is without a thing like Anders? Heh. Anyone wondering I was a dual weild rogue with Bethany as support, Merril Damage dps, and Aveline tank

[Gandalf il Bianco]

SnakeHelah wrote...

You guys could be a bit more tactical in-game. I did not kill Anders but took Bethany with me instaed of him, and I was playing on hard, do you even imagine how hard the end game is without a thing like Anders? Heh. Anyone wondering I was a dual weild rogue with Bethany as support, Merril Damage dps, and Aveline tank

What are you talking about, Bethany can heal, if you have her in your group without healing spells, maybe YOU should be more tactical.

[Kentuckan]

Gandalf il Bianco wrote...

wetnasty wrote...
In reality, I just *really* needed a healer since my Bethany was still in the circle, and I was a rogue. They either need to put in more potions or more characters!!! How can you survive without a mage if you kill Anders?

My Bethany died in the deep road and I'm a warrior, so Anders is the ONLY one who can heal in all the game for me. 
I repeat, this is the most stupid choice i ever seen in a game. 

I faced a similar scenario when I was having to deal with Anders, when I made my decision my mage who only had the basic heal spell and its upgrade had to become the healer. To mitigate my own damage taken I took a friendly Aveline with body guard, and a Friendly Seb with me to the final battle for around a 60% damage reduction.

[Sonicflare]

I went:OMG WTF?!!!

But Anderson/Vengeance had a good point. Enough with the boring quests, lets start killing ****
I knew, that this dont end well, and saved before this
Played as a mage.

[LobselVith8]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

1. No it is not, the tranquils loss their emotions causing them to act rationally. Rape is an act aginst the will of the one being assalted. If you are right and there is no will...

Forcing yourself on a person without their consent is rape, period. Furthermore, why are you contesting what we're told in two of Anders quests, where we either directly see or overhear that the tranquil have no agency over their lives?

DieHigh2012 wrote...

2. You are forgetting the mage that ran to the demons only becuse she wanted the mages to rule Thedas. The excuse of they are evil so that makes it ok for me to be evil doesn't fly.

You're commenting that there are a few blood mages we encounter from the Circle, and I'm addressing that there are many mages who resort to blood magic as a direct response to the oppressive enviornment of the Circle that Anders refers to as slavery. I'm not saying all mages turn to blood magic for this reason, or even that all templars abuse their position of authority, but it happens often enough that I think it should be addressed when we factor in why mages want to be free from the Chantry and its templars.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

3. That is funny

Funny, but true. The Inglorious Basterds blew up a building full of people who were working for an organization that oppressed and killed their people. Anders is a Thedas version of one of the Inglorious Basterds.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

4. Because one little angry mage (that "good guy" Anders) can blow up a huge building with minimal effort. Just think of what a 'bad guy" mage would do with that kind of destructive power.....

You mean gathering ingredients from all over which were the actual catalyst, and igniting it with magic? I can also see what a "bad guy" would do with power when Knight-Commander Meredith orders the senseless murder of every man, woman, and child in Kirkwall if they're a mage.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

4. He has no discipline, and has weak character. He might be able to comand mighty magics, but without discipline and stringth of charcater he will fall easly. Again ask any of your companions that turn on you in the fade.

You don't know that the Orlesian mage has no discipline. You're making baseless assumptions simply because he's inexperienced with the real world, having lived in the brutal enviornment of the Gallows all his life. You have no idea what sort of magical experience he has to make such a claim.

Modifié par LobselVith8, 13 mars 2011 - 01:02 .

[LobselVith8]

Valentia X wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

1. Yes because no one else goes in and out of the chantry, its not like anyone goes there to pray or anything... But thats ok right? because mages are weak and the chantry is strong. That is the exact argument that al qaeda uses to justify their own monstrouse actions.

2. No you said that anders can't be a terrorist because he isn't a religious fanatic, don't change your story now.

Er... Al Quaida has never claimed to be weak, IIRC. While what Anders is did wrong, there are some massive differences. Anders is going after an organisation, Al Quaida is going after an entire civilisation. If we want a real world parallel, Anders bombed a mosque that held a leader of Al Quaida, not a school full of children. Anders is someone who was personally wronged on many levels by the Chantry, many members of Al Quaida have never really had much of an introduction to the people they claim to be fighting against, since so many recruits are from small, rural villages. The Chantry has been shown to have numerous abuses, both by mages telling us and by templars who are horrified at the Order's (or at least some higher-ranking members of the Order) actions. Whatever he may be, Anders is not a lone conspiracy nut trying to rope people into his personal delusion. He wasn't trying to terrorise the Chantry into submission- he's trying to rally his fellow mages into fighting for their freedom, since there's no way to subdue the Chantry.

Thank you.

To answer your questions, Die:

1. Why do you think innocent people were in the Chantry at night? The Chantry is closed  to the public then.

2. I don't think you read what I wrote. I addressed that Anders wasn't a member of a particular terrorist organization because he wasn't a religious fanatic.

[MKDAWUSS]

Gandalf il Bianco wrote...

SnakeHelah wrote...

You guys could be a bit more tactical in-game. I did not kill Anders but took Bethany with me instaed of him, and I was playing on hard, do you even imagine how hard the end game is without a thing like Anders? Heh. Anyone wondering I was a dual weild rogue with Bethany as support, Merril Damage dps, and Aveline tank

What are you talking about, Bethany can heal, if you have her in your group without healing spells, maybe YOU should be more tactical.

She's an OK healer, but not quite on the level of Anders. He's the only one who can mass heal and revive.

[LobselVith8]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

1.They don't lose their will only their emotions, that is established in Origins.

It's stated in two of Anders quests that the tranquil lose their will, and the Magi Origin also incorrectly has someone stating that you're killed if you're labelled an apostate when we know from Anders that this isn't the case.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

2. How about the part where he yells I"LL SHOW YOU BLOOD MAGIC and then turns into the harvester abomination.

No one is contesting that he's familiar with it, but you haven't shown me that he's a practicing blood mage who was only hiding his abilities because of Meredith, when it's certainly possible he knew this ritual because of his correspondence with Quentin. After all, he clearly addresses the ritual as "evil."

DieHigh2012 wrote...

4. I said the only good mage, read they post you are commenting on.

This is factually inaccurate. There's nothing "bad" about the young Orlesian noble who wants to experience life. There's nothing bad about the Keeper Marethari. There's nothing to suggest that the unnamed Circle mages who fight the templars when Hawke sides with the Kirkwall Circle aren't good. There are good people on both sides of the templar and mage debate.

[Khettien]

I was blown away. When doing the ingredient gathering quest for Anders, I had the odd random thought that these ingredients are awfully damn similar to gunpowder, but I totally dismissed it.

I got nervous when Anders said he couldn't seperate Justice from Vengeance, but I just assumed the ritual failed.

When Anders asked me to distract the Grand Cleric, I hesitated, but I thought "Anders wouldn't do that."

And then...the crazy ****er DID it. All the pieces were in place, I just didn't /want/ to see Anders doing it.

I have to applaud the team behind designing and writing that event; it was an inspired piece of composition, and registers with me as a piece of art. Horrible, thought-provoking art, but art nonetheless.

For my thoughts on why it happened...

The Chantry, whatever it taught originally, as a whole has been teaching and advocating for generations that magic is inherently evil and not just dangerous, and therefore to fight evil you must exterminate magic. Hypocritically, the Chantry finds the services mages can offer too valuable to ever allow that program to kill all mages; thus the tolerance of the abuses under the Templar order. THIS MAKES THE CHANTRY AS A WHOLE CULPABLE FOR THE ACTIONS TAKEN AGAINST MAGES. The end run of this entire mess is that the Chantry generally, and the Templars specifically, have a nasty tendency to fight magic instead of evil. In the specific case of Kirkwall, the Grand Cleric's devotion to staying uninvolved was a giant mistake. The actions of the Templars were the actions of the Chantry, and thus ultimately her responsibility. If the Grand Cleric had slapped Meredith down behind the scenes, as opposed to in public, or simply /had Meredith replaced quietly/, it's quite possible the entire issue might not have exploded there.

The Templars, on the other hand, tend to hammer out hardened zealots who would, to use the words from the Vietnam War, destroy the village to save the village. It is a mark of the general society of Thedas that even with indepth indoctrination and a vast number of examples of how bloody trying to oversee a group of mages can be, there are many Templars that will attempt to prevent needless cruelty. In the specific case of Kirkwall, the corrupting idol almost could not have gone to a more destructive point than the head of the Templar order.

The mages, on the other hand, are certainly not white-clad innocents in all this, as Tevinter more than ably demonstrates in both history and current fact. Between demons offering destructive deals, blood magic, being hunted across almost an entire continent by a vengeful group of religious fanatics, and being effectively locked into a prison for the rest of their lives with nearly zero chance of leaving or exercising significant choices, finding a mage who hasn't succumbed to some sort of devil's deal is incredibly impressive. When you are up against the wall, almost everyone will use any tool available to keep living. And in Kirkwall, it's even worse than most places - the head of the Templars is steadily growing more paranoid, the First Enchanter is barely able to even talk without being shut up, the Grand Cleric refuses to speak up for the abused, and the Tranquil Rite is being used vindictively to strip away all chance of exercising FREE will. (As an aside, the Tranquil Rite, to me, is the most frightening element in Thedas. It literally turns people into machines, and there is /no off switch/ for it. Yet. If someone figures out how to reverse it, things will really get interesting.)

So really, the surprise isn't that a mage finally nuked a chantry. It's that it took so long to happen. Anders, in Awakening, had a very good hate on for Templars, but he was able to 'look away' from the injustice and mostly concern himself with living. I'm guessing that after he joined with Justice, he literally could not look away. Think about being forced to watch every injustice you come across, with no filters in place to protect you from it. It's surprising to me that Anders wasn't a gibbering madman by the end of the game.

[LobselVith8]

Nyaore wrote...

I think Justice/Vengence was certainly the catalyst that started him down this particular wayward path. In Awakenings he certainly had a seething hatred for the Templars just brewing under the surface, but he was never truly willing to act upon it as shown in his dialogue conversations with said spirit. It was only once he and Justice merged that he started boarding the train to crazy town, so to speak. First with killing the Wardens in his short story, though that could arguably be explained as him going out of control after the merger, and then finally culminating with the destruction of the Chantry.

He wants to free his people from slavery so he attacked the very institution that consisted of members of the very organization oppressing his people in order to force a confrontation that could lead to the emancipation of mages across Thedas (and it did for my Hawke). I wasn't going to kill him because he couldn't condone the fact that no one was doing anything to get the mages of the Kirkwall Circle out from under the oppressive rule of Knight-Commander Meredith, including First Enchanter Orsino; the mages who don't get tortured, raped, and aren't forced to get a lobotomy or get killed by the templars owe their freedom to Ander's actions. Why would I kill the man who finally gave me the Magi boon I've been waiting for since Awakening? Also, the Wardens he killed in the short story consisted of a Chantry spy who was going to kill him with the Wardens he gathered.

[Khettien]

As a note - Orsinos turning to blood magic WHEN and how he does really disturbs me. If he'd done it during the fight with Meredith, I'd be okay with it, but he did it and then turned on his allies...maybe he made a mistake? It just bugs me.

[MKDAWUSS]

One thing that was a bit suspicious was the fact that every de-possession involved a trip to the Fade, fueled by lyrium and/or blood magic.

[DieHigh2012]

LobselVith8 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

1. No it is not, the tranquils loss their emotions causing them to act rationally. Rape is an act aginst the will of the one being assalted. If you are right and there is no will...

Forcing yourself on a person without their consent is rape, period. Furthermore, why are you contesting what we're told in two of Anders quests, where we either directly see or overhear that the tranquil have no agency over their lives?

DieHigh2012 wrote...

2. You are forgetting the mage that ran to the demons only becuse she wanted the mages to rule Thedas. The excuse of they are evil so that makes it ok for me to be evil doesn't fly.

You're commenting that there are a few blood mages we encounter from the Circle, and I'm addressing that there are many mages who resort to blood magic as a direct response to the oppressive enviornment of the Circle that Anders refers to as slavery. I'm not saying all mages turn to blood magic for this reason, or even that all templars abuse their position of authority, but it happens often enough that I think it should be addressed when we factor in why mages want to be free from the Chantry and its templars.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

3. That is funny

Funny, but true. The Inglorious Basterds blew up a building full of people who were working for an organization that oppressed and killed their people. Anders is a Thedas version of one of the Inglorious Basterds.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

4. Because one little angry mage (that "good guy" Anders) can blow up a huge building with minimal effort. Just think of what a 'bad guy" mage would do with that kind of destructive power.....

You mean gathering ingredients from all over which were the actual catalyst, and igniting it with magic? I can also see what a "bad guy" would do with power when Merrill orders the senseless murder of every man, woman, and child in Kirkwall if they're a mage.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

4. He has no discipline, and has weak character. He might be able to comand mighty magics, but without discipline and stringth of charcater he will fall easly. Again ask any of your companions that turn on you in the fade.

You don't know that the Orlesian mage has no discipline. You're making baseless assumptions simply because he's inexperienced with the real world, having lived in the brutal enviornment of the Gallows all his life. You have no idea what sort of magical experience he has to make such a claim.

1. Because that was already well flushed out in Origins as I said earlyer. Your impressions of the one tranquil you meet in anders first companion quest (ignorant as they may be) do not equal fact.

2. The mages where crazy out of control, and it was their decision to run to demons and blood magic. It doesn't matter why they turned evil, just that they are now evil.

If they prove that they only need to backed up agianst the wall to turn to demons for help then how long would it take them to turn for lesser reasons. They seem to have little adversion to turning to blood magic (if any) when the chips are down.

Also listen to Fenris talk about teventer, free mages in action....

3. That is still funny, are you being for real? If so you should get your head checked.

4. How about the fact that his mother gave him gold to flee and he runs to a bar IN  THE  CITY  WHERE THE CIRCLE  THAT HE RAN FROM IS LOCATED and blows his money there, or mabey it's that fact that he is willing to spread lies about himself being a blood mage while being a runaway apostate. No the sarpest tool in the shed, I'd say. Lacking both character and discipline. If anything is baseless it is your ridiculous defence of this fool.

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 13 mars 2011 - 12:12 .

[Nyaore]

LobselVith8 wrote...

He wants to free his people from slavery so he attacked the very institution that consisted of members of the very organization oppressing his people in order to force a confrontation that could lead to the emancipation of mages across Thedas (and it did for my Hawke). I wasn't going to kill him because he couldn't condone the fact that no one was doing anything to get the mages of the Kirkwall Circle out from under the oppressive rule of Knight-Commander Meredith, including First Enchanter Orsino; the mages who don't get tortured, raped, and aren't forced to get a lobotomy or get killed by the templars owe their freedom to Ander's actions. Why would I kill the man who finally gave me the Magi boon I've been waiting for since Awakening? Also, the Wardens he killed in the short story consisted of a Chantry spy who was going to kill him with the Wardens he gathered.

All I'm really saying is that the merger with Justice gave him a will to act upon his frustrations that he previously lacked, for better or for worse. Can you honestly say he would have gone so far if he and Justice/Vengence weren't merged to the point where "not even the most dedicated scholar" can tell where one begins or ends?

Modifié par Nyaore, 13 mars 2011 - 12:01 .

[LobselVith8]

DieHigh2012 wrote...

1. Because that was already well flushed out in Origins as I said earlyer. Your impressions of the one tranquil you meet in anders first companion quest (ignorant as they may be) do not equal fact.

Maybe you could try to control your choice of words, DieHigh2012. I don't see any reason for you to personally insult me. Furthermore, it's explicitly stated in two of the quests that they lose their will. It's not an issue of interpretation when they outright state this.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

2. The mages where crazy out of control, and it was their decision to run to demons and blood magic. It doesn't matter why they are evil, just that they are evil. 

The templars were ordered to murder innocent men, women, and children - I'd consider that pretty evil.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

If they prove that they only need to backed up agianst the wall to turn to demons for help then how long would it take them to turn for lesser reasons. They seem to have little adversion to turning to blood magic (if any) when the chips are down.

You're equating all mages with the actions of a few mages.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Also listen to Fenris talk about teventer, free mages in action....

That didn't stop him from siding with my apostate Hawke who sided with the Kirkwall Circle.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

3. That is still funny, are you being for real? If so you should get your head checked.

You're welcome to engage in discussion with me as an adult. There's no reason we can't discuss this issue even if we disagree. If not, I don't see a reason to continue this discussion with you.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

4. How about the fact that his mother gave him gold to flee and he runs to a bar IN  THE  CITY  WHERE THE CIRCLE  THAT HE RAN FROM IS LOCATED and blows his money there, or mabey it's that fact that he is willing to spread lies about himself being a blood mage while being a runaway apostate. No the sarpest tool in the shed, I'd say. Lacking both character and discipline. If anything is baseless it is your ridiculous defence of this fool.

You seem to be equating his lack of social skills with an intellect for magical skill. They're not the same. A man can be very intellectually gifted but still be socially inept.

[Harorrd]

At first, i was like

"Wow awsome, Anders is going to scare them off"

And when the deathray started to vaporize the preists, and turning the whole chuch into a flying death puzzle

"ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???"

And when the death puzzle exploded and destroyed half of the city, killing i dont know how many civilians

"TIME TO DIE ANDERS"

Next time i wont help him murder inocents

[Hay Julay]

I was seriously shocked when it happened! I was romancing Anders at the time and I was really disappointed in him. But I understood too, so I let him stay and finished my romance with him. Also, he’s the best healer in the game. I wasn’t aware he’ll come back if you let him go though. I’ll try that in other games.

I don't consider Anders a terrorist, although you could argue it. Terrorist attacks are meant to strike terror and fear into a certain group of people, not to start a full out war. Anders on the other hand wanted to create an event that would push Templars and Mages into a conflict, and to him the only way to do it was the destroy what was holding them back. The Grand Cleric. If terrorist attacks are going to be defined as violent acts that kill innocent people, then all wars ever are terrorist attacks. And yet we don’t seem to refer to them as such. It’s a touchy subject though, and I think Bioware did a great job with it.

Also, it’s a game. Actual people didn’t die.

[Rafe34]

LobselVith8 wrote...

You mean gathering ingredients from all over which were the actual catalyst, and igniting it with magic? I can also see what a "bad guy" would do with power when Merrill orders the senseless murder of every man, woman, and child in Kirkwall if they're a mage.

Merrill?? o_O. And she seems so innocent.

Honestly, it was a great moment in a game that didn't have many, probably my favorite.

I killed him even though I sided with the mages- his actions are inexcusable. 

Honestly, I had completely forgotten about Anders quest, and I was like, oh here we go again, the Grand Cleric is just going to get these two to put aside their differences for three more years, (I thought we were told the game spans 10, not 7 years), and THEN we'll have this out. We could just go ahead and have it out now, it's obviously going to have to happen some time.

And then Anders comes and helps out. Like he was reading my mind.

Seriously, though, it was a slow horror scene to me. Completely not thinking about Anders, he wasn't in my party, and then he comes running up, and I was like.. What are you doing here... Oh no, What did you do? (pretty much the same reaction as Hawke), and then... BOOM. And I HELPED him do that. Talk about having a sickening feeling.

Just... wow. 

That one moment almost redeemed the entire game. Almost.

[DieHigh2012]

LobselVith8 wrote...

DieHigh2012 wrote...

1. Because that was already well flushed out in Origins as I said earlyer. Your impressions of the one tranquil you meet in anders first companion quest (ignorant as they may be) do not equal fact.

Maybe you could try to control your choice of words, DieHigh2012. I don't see any reason for you to personally insult me. Furthermore, it's explicitly stated in two of the quests that they lose their will. It's not an issue of interpretation when they outright state this.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

2. The mages where crazy out of control, and it was their decision to run to demons and blood magic. It doesn't matter why they are evil, just that they are evil. 

The templars were ordered to murder innocent men, women, and children - I'd consider that pretty evil.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

If they prove that they only need to backed up agianst the wall to turn to demons for help then how long would it take them to turn for lesser reasons. They seem to have little adversion to turning to blood magic (if any) when the chips are down.

You're equating all mages with the actions of a few mages.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

Also listen to Fenris talk about teventer, free mages in action....

That didn't stop him from siding with my apostate Hawke who sided with the Kirkwall Circle.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

3. That is still funny, are you being for real? If so you should get your head checked.

You're welcome to engage in discussion with me as an adult. There's no reason we can't discuss this issue even if we disagree. If not, I don't see a reason to continue this discussion with you.

DieHigh2012 wrote...

4. How about the fact that his mother gave him gold to flee and he runs to a bar IN  THE  CITY  WHERE THE CIRCLE  THAT HE RAN FROM IS LOCATED and blows his money there, or mabey it's that fact that he is willing to spread lies about himself being a blood mage while being a runaway apostate. No the sarpest tool in the shed, I'd say. Lacking both character and discipline. If anything is baseless it is your ridiculous defence of this fool.

You seem to be equating his lack of social skills with an intellect for magical skill. They're not the same. A man can be very intellectually gifted but still be socially inept.

1. They lose emotion, stop beating this dead horse. It is not "stated" you infered it. Also for you to be insulted by being called ignorant, is just another show of ignorance. (look up the words meaning before you take offence)

2. Again the they are evil so i can be evil" thing doesn't fly.

Yes I am, look at what anders did a single non mage can't do that in Tedas, they must be held to a higher standard. It was not "a few" mages even you have to admit that it was most of the mages. you have been able to name 2 mages in the whole game that arent blood mages.

Your fenris still thinks it is wrong and that it will lead down a very bad path, but stands by you because he wants to have your back. No other reason.

3. It is funny because in the movie the inglorious bastereds are terrorists, that was the only reason they whent over there. There is no base for your argument.

Just because you agree with an an act of terrorism doesn't automaticly make it not terrorism.

4. No I am equating judgement and reason, or lack of, to character. He obiously knew it was wrong and stupid to behave that way, why eles would he start trying to explain himself as soon as he finds out why you are there. Being a mage should he be able to understand that proclaiming to the world you are a blood mage is a bad idea?

5. Don't know why i put this here.......Oh yea, I'm glad you ran away from the whole Anders is not a terrorist thing. I was begining to feel kind of bad for you.

Modifié par DieHigh2012, 13 mars 2011 - 12:35 .

[Crazy Cpt]

I just wish my Mage could do that

[Alpr]

I was in a gay romance with him (to get the trophy, which apparently it has to be straight or I did it wrong. I got him to live with me and we made out on the bed but I couldn't go any further). Anyways, I ended up killing him even though I was playing the Hero of Kirkwall but being bias and siding with mages every time.