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[Norko1989]

 My mouth fell open and I said "wtf"  several times it made me support the mages of the circle, since they were about to be massacred without them being the ones who blew up the chantry.

And I said to Anders to run, I couldn't kill a (former) friend. I was pretty surprised by that moment.

[MotoSkunkX]

We high fived and ran off to kill the evil Templars. But no, seriously - why was there no "high five me bro" option? That was seriously the best thing that's ever happened in both games. I have never been so proud of Anders, or any video game character before IN MY LIFE.

Words cannot describe the epic. I still think his opinion of "herp blood magic bad" is retarded, though.

[Sleekshinobi]

Killagame wrote...

I killed him. The sucker play me like a bish... The mother didn't deserve that lol. Oh wells

died laughing when i read this lmao 

[Maderek]

The moment it happened: "Oh, Anders, WHAT THE FFUUUU-"

I let him live because I needed a healer. Otherwise he would've been as good as STAGGERED.

[Cajeb]

Was not surprised at all. I joked about it once when we were gathering so much of each ingredient. Then we he said he was hiding something I was told the TV I would kill Anders if he blows up the Chantry

Finally the Grand Cleric said, "I hope this place is a balm(bomb) for your soul."

[-Zorph-]

This just happened for me.

I literally am alt-tabbed, read this whole thread (all 7 pages) and the game is idling at the decision between Mages or Templars. I simply can just not decide. I think they're both crazy and don't know what to do. For 30 minutes have been staring at these 2 dialog options.

[MotoSkunkX]

-Zorph- wrote...

This just happened for me.

I literally am alt-tabbed, read this whole thread (all 7 pages) and the game is idling at the decision between Mages or Templars. I simply can just not decide. I think they're both crazy and don't know what to do. For 30 minutes have been staring at these 2 dialog options.

Mages.  You know it's the right call.

Down with the Templar oppressors!

[Karthak Maz Urzak]

-Zorph- wrote...

This just happened for me.

I literally am alt-tabbed, read this whole thread (all 7 pages) and the game is idling at the decision between Mages or Templars. I simply can just not decide. I think they're both crazy and don't know what to do. For 30 minutes have been staring at these 2 dialog options.

Go mages. Anders is an Apostate, and so not part of the circle. Meredith wants to slaughter the circle for something they had absolutely no involvement in.

[bioware_fan]

What hapens if you don't help Anders gather the materials for the spell ?

[Kinkaku]

bioware_fan wrote...

What hapens if you don't help Anders gather the materials for the spell ?

It still happans anyways but at least you didnt stain your hand with innocent blood without realizing it

Other then that I do agree with what Anders meant that both sides were in the wrong but..the bomb was so...

Well he wanted a war now even more inncocent people are going to die and the Grand Cleric didnt deserve it at all.

Oh and I stabbed him

Modifié par Kinkaku, 13 mars 2011 - 12:58 .

[YamiSnuffles]

When his final side quest came up, I initially thought the separation spell would kill him and that's what I worried about. As soon as we finished gathering the ingredients I got extremely suspicious. Once he told me to distract the Grand Cleric, I knew he had some scheme to kill her though I didn't expect the giant explosion at all. I shut off the game and couldn't come back to it for a day because I was pissed they'd doomed Anders. The entire game, up to that point, I kept hoping I could bring him back to wanting actual justice and not vengeance.

So I rushed through the final act just to see what was going to happen to him. In the end... I spared him. Honestly, Merrill saved him with what she said. I let him live so he could try to atone for everything he just did. If he's going to throw mages into war, he better help them get out of it. However, while I thought he did something atrocious, I can see why he did it. Good person or not, the Grand Cleric was never going to help. Sooner or later (likely sooner) something terrible was going to happen while she twiddled her thumbs and waited. To appease Meredith, the mages would eventually have given up all their freedoms or she would have killed them. As happened in game, the good Templars wouldn't step in until she'd after lost it completely.

I think if the Grand Cleric was really good, she should have helped in some way. You can still try for peace and side with the oppressed. Get Meredith out of the equation and work from there. Otherwise you're just leaving something volatile and hoping nothing bad happens as a result in the name of "peace".

EDIT: Oh, and I forgot to add that I spared Anders partly because Hawke romanced him. She might have been able to let someone else put him down for what he'd done, but after everything she'd been through, she couldn't murder the man she loved on top of it. No matter what he'd done, he was one of the few good things she'd had in her life in the past years.

Modifié par YamiSnuffles, 13 mars 2011 - 01:29 .

[MortalEngines]

 My reaction was "WHAT THE HELL" just like everyone elses. I had my suspicions that he was going to hurt/kill the Grand Cleric but I wasn't expecting THAT.

To be honest, I see no justification, the Chantry, while technically controlling the templars has no real power over them other than status. Seeing as Meredith has an army of templars and the Grand Cleric has a bunch of priests, there wasn't much she could but keep neutral. My Hawke also tried to remind neutral but in the end sided with his mage brethren. I was close to killing Anders for what he did, but Merrill made me change my mind, even though I took her prespective with a pinch of salt.

[TJPags]

Didn't anyone else start to get the feeling late in Act 2/early in Act 3 that Anders was the source of the unrest?

He was really striking a sour chord with me, really made me think he was up to something not good, but I never saw THAT coming. At all.

Damn abomination lunatic.

[SnowHeart1]

This event honestly depressed me, and I think that's an indication it was one of the good writing decisions in DA2. Anders was my Hawke's LI (Fenris was just too sour and, as Hawke was a mage, the relationship just wasn't developing very well). It was rather devestating to have felt so used. I spared Anders' life and brought him along to fix things, but when the conversation came up as to what would happen next, I broke off the relationship and the dialogue here was actually quite good. Basically, Hawke said "I realize I'll never be the most important thing in your life, so I need to let you go." It was poignant and a more insightful and mature of a response than I had expected from the dialogue wheel's paraphrase. I've got a lot of criticisms of the game, but this is an example of why I actually am enjoying the game quite a bit despite my quibbles.

[nenosronhir]

Then he and my Apostate Hawke smashed some heads and ran off into the sunset (until Bioware tells us what really happens).

[LobselVith8]

The Chantry enslaved mages for nearly a millennia. When you consider the Chantry turned Anders' lover tranquil, raped and tortured mages, killed them, and one templar proposed a "Tranquil Solution" for all mages, I'm not suprised violence was used against the Chantry. Was anyone really expecting everything to turn out peacefully?

[JonDoe297]

It was the one really big moment in the game (or any game) when there is total chaos, and everything is out of control and crazy and you have no idea how you can fix it. It's just the ultimate ****storm, and it was amazing when it happened just for that reason. Bioware really knows how to give the player some serious **** to deal with and make hard decisions.

[PantheraOnca]

RE: the whole mages vs. chantry thing. the crap happening in kirkwall to mages was &*^%. they were being oppressed hardcore. unless they were practicing blood magic before being oppressed, it was unjustified.

i think the only mage we run into in the plot (not "random" encounters) from kirkwall who uses blood magic before being "circled" is the nutto with the body parts thing and tevinter mages. The army of templar can clearly handle that.

the flaw with the chantry's approach is that it is by design oppressive. i think cullen says something along the lines of "if 1 in 10 mages turned to blood magic, the world would be destroyed" to justify the situation. this is BS. there are 9 other mages there, they could fight the blood mage and win, not even counting templar training.

what the chantry should be doing is providing templar training (specifically the resist mind magic stuff) to everyone in thedas, while the circles should be educating mages on how to fight blood magic without using it.

you dont get people with knives to control people with guns. you need other people with guns to control each other. mages need to be allowed to self-police just like any other group of people.

how many mages have said they would gladly give up their powers if they could do so without becomming tranquil. making them make that decision is like saying "you run too fast, we're going to make you an emotionless husk if you dont have the proper character"

[Evil Asch]

The tranquil don't give up their power, just everything else.

[Maria Caliban]

Aveline: "You know Anders, of all the mages I know, I figured you'd be the one to go out with a blast." <- You get this banter right after the quest when you gather the sal petra and drakestone.

[jesus34343]

Keep him alive i want to know how to do that!

[LobselVith8]

Jesus34343, just don't kill him. That's all.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Allison Hawke (my own warrior Champion) got into a romance with Anders pretty much the moment they met, but here's the trick: Allison starts out quite sympathetic toward apostates, but events throughout the game nudge her toward a more prudently neutral stance. Not least the murder of Leandra. So when Anders dupes her into helping him BLOW UP THE CHANTRY, she's not happy. At all.

But Allison's weakness for her friends is a force to be reckoned with. An entire clan of Dalish elves lies dead because Allison didn't have the spine to step in and stop Merril's attempts to restore the Eluvian before it was too late, for crap's sake. So she lets Anders go, and when she encounters Anders again before the final battle, she takes him back. Because she's hopelessly soft like that. Because she believes in second chances. It's going to get her killed someday. Ah, well.

So at some point they make up and stay together. My Champion is a hilarious moron, and much like my Warden before her, Allison's mistakes are probably going to lead to something horribly catastrophic in the relatively near future. I wouldn't be surprised if Anders joins forces with the Architect to force all Templars to perform the Nutcracker on the roof of the grand cathedral in Orlais...

[elikal71]

Even in DA Awakening I felt Anders was a strange and twisted person. Twisted by his fixation on his oppression. I am wary of such people. I can understand his development into a terrorist as something likely in terms of how humans can slip into the darkness.

As someone who romanced and lived with him, I say: I NEVER EVER want to experience that in a game which still is supposed to be a spare time fun EVER again! THAT is not what I feel is still fun and entertaining! The only reason in the end I still took him along was because he was my only healer.

Teaches me to never ever follow a romance option ever again in Bioware games.