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[upsettingshorts]

In every way? No.
In every way I care about? Yes.

[DARBanks]

I think they was both great games, and I liked each game for different reasons.

[Dragoonlordz]

This whole topic is nothing more than flamebait and I for one would like to see it locked, this is because you starting statement is telling people what is better or worse instead of just what you like or dislike in form of an opinion.

[Tokion]

Comparing apples to oranges. DA2 should not be compared with its predecessor as many elements were improved(imo) over the original. The only complain I got is the recycled dungeons being used over and over again. >_<

[Spectre 117]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This whole topic is nothing more than flamebait and I for one would like to see it locked, this is because you starting statement is telling people what is better or worse instead of just what you like or dislike in form of an opinion.

If we are locking threads based on your theory we might as well just lock the forumns XD

[corym77]

This game is in some ways better than DA:O but in most it's not. Combat pacing is better and all the crazy combat animations are cool but it gets pretty old when wave after wave of bad guys just show up during combat. I sometimes feel like I'm playing an old school console/arcade game with wave of baddies coming in. The ultimate for me was when an Ogre just appeared in the middle of the road during the Ironbark quest...come on really Bioware??

I HATE not being able to customize my companions and I'm not just talking about their armor. In DA:O if I wanted Alistar to go two hander I could. In DA2 I can't change anyone out of their predestined paths and that's lame. We only have one tank warrior and the other warriors can't even equip a shield...WTF?!?

This game is soooo linear so far and it just seems like most of the quests are just side action and MOST of the game so far is a side plot. That doesn't make much since considering it's a Bioware title.

I will still keep playing and I am having fun so far but I still have a lot of issues with this one so far. Based on what I've seen so far this game is not better, it might be good in it's own right but not better. Especially if your a p.c. user. I think console users got the up end of the deal on this title.

[Ghost Flower]

Project Requiem wrote...

-Opinions
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Everyone has their own opinions. Don't state is as if it were all facts.
I think the game is good myself, but I don't think it is nearly as good as Origins so far (about 20 hours in)

Well, if we want to get somewhere with this, how about we discuss what people like, and what people don't like about it. I like DA2 better myself, but both games are very good. Which parts do you prefer over Dragon Age Origins.

Yes, DA2 has better graphics, that would be silly if it didn't, it is newer.

I personally like the combat more, I think it flows better, but I did like the combat in origins as well. Being completely revamped it is a matter of taste. It's hard to compare the two systems because they are quite different.

The story, it's hard to say. I feel like there are a lot of options in both, but I feel like your personal story, and your character develope more in the Dragon Age 2. I'm about 24 hours in, and I feel more attatchment to my character, and the other characters (at least the ones I use) in this one. Some specific ones. And then at first I really hated one of the characters, but I'm starting to grow on them. Kind of a love/hate relationship.

Anyways, those are my opinions. What are yours? :]

[Taltherion]

It's all a matter of opinion. I have only played for about 4 hours and I like it ... but in my opinion, it's a watered down version ... it's a good game, but DAO was great.
- graphics: granted, armor and clothing look better, but enemies and some surroundings don't, I just don't like the style and the elves look ... really bad.
- music: didn't notice any
- can't completely outfit companions
- what? a rogue can't use a sword?
- no secondary weapon (like I can't comfortably switch between a bow and a melee weapon)?
- every dagger/sword/shield/ring has the same icon in my inventory - somebody was lazy ...
- combat: faster, I like some of the abilities and animations, others are just too "anime" for me ... and I can cut a darkspawn in half with a  ... dagger? I didn't like the fountains of blood in DAO and I don't like them here - they look even more exaggerated.

and so on, and so on.

I find the way of telling the story interesting (Varric narrating), some characters seem to be interesting, but Merril is too "over-the-top" for me, it's not what I thought Dalish elves would be like (again opinion).

Modifié par Taltherion, 11 mars 2011 - 12:17 .

[RohanD]

The polls on this site seem to negate your opinions which you think are fact

[Sabariel]

I shall now predict the next 20+ pages of this conversation:

"Is not."
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[Argetlam350]

I like all the improvements with DA2 though with some other things I find that Origins beat Dragon Age 2. So for me both the games are equal to one another rather then one being the better of another. Plus I find that because they are dealing with two seperate characters and two different stories, that they are hide to actually compare, though that's just me.

[Spectre 117]

Sabariel wrote...

I shall now predict the next 20+ pages of this conversation:

"Is not."
"Is so."
"Is not."
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"Is not."
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Hod did you figured that out O_O?You must be Sherlock Holmes!!

[Ghost Flower]

Sabariel wrote...

I shall now predict the next 20+ pages of this conversation:

"Is not."
"Is so."
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Truth.

Intelligent conversation is never a strong point of forums.
They're both good games.
Although some Dragon Age:Origins fans may disagree, that's alright too, but I hope it isn't because they tried new things with a game that they didn't want to change.
If you don't like it, don't play it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This whole topic is nothing more than flamebait and I for one would like to see it locked, this is because you starting statement is telling people what is better or worse instead of just what you like or dislike in form of an opinion.

If we are locking threads based on your theory we might as well just lock the forumns XD

Well.. The forums would be a much nicer, quiter, peacefull place now wouldn't it.

[SnakeSNMF]

Is so.

.. I love you Ghostflower for your interesting piece on the human condition. Yes, we are ignorant, we are predictable, and most of all, we are horny.
Turn to Isabella's breast for example on us.

[Kemmer]

I'm digging the companion interactions more in this game, both with Hawke and amongst themselves.

[Spectre 117]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This whole topic is nothing more than flamebait and I for one would like to see it locked, this is because you starting statement is telling people what is better or worse instead of just what you like or dislike in form of an opinion.

If we are locking threads based on your theory we might as well just lock the forumns XD

Well.. The forums would be a much nicer, quiter, peacefull place now wouldn't it.

I have no objections toward that statement

[addiction21]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

In every way? No.
In every way I care about? Yes.

Damn you and your reasonableness... I think thats a word. Damn you regardless.

[Project Requiem]

fragelrok wrote...

Project Requiem wrote...

-Opinions
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Everyone has their own opinions. Don't state is as if it were all facts.
I think the game is good myself, but I don't think it is nearly as good as Origins so far (about 20 hours in)

why do YOU think it's not as good as DA:O? I simply prefer the fast action fighting (with the option of pause and play!) in DA 2 to DA:Os slowness. I like the characters in both games as well.

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Personally, I prefer the slow paced fighting style.
The graphics are better, no doubt, but I do not like the direction of the art design is going.

-The characters don't seem to be as immersive as they were in origins so far, the only one I have felt a connection with so far would be Bethany. The reason for this is probably the lack of dialogue compared to what we were given in Camp in the first game. However, I do like the option to be able to ask one of our companions their opinions on situations in quest.

-The Dialogue: No. The party banter is nice, but I dislike the excessive use of adjectives.

-The recycled use of enemies and environments. It's Kirkwall, they were able to change the look of the Qunari yet almost 90% of the enemies I have encountered so far were all enemies in Origins. (Shades, desire demon, spiders, Ogres) Even many of the bosses were all in Origins. I also find it annoying how they add them in carelessly.

-For example, the Varterral appeared in Awakening, known to be an elven myth. Yet you are asked to find a piece of it in a side quest when a mage asks for herb ingredients. They seem to throw in "epic" and "legendary" creatures that were in  Origins and make them sound like an easy man's job in DA2

The list can go on, but I'd rather stop there. I guess I'm too attached to some of the characters in Origins still, I hope the further I progress into this game, the more the story pulls me in.

Modifié par Project Requiem, 11 mars 2011 - 12:43 .

[Morroian]

Anathemic wrote...

Graphics aren't really an improvment

This is as ludicrous a statement as any of the statements you've protested to about TW2 graphics. The graphics are much improved, you may not like the style but thats a different issue.

[Morroian]

RohanD wrote...

The polls on this site seem to negate your opinions which you think are fact

So positive opinions are not factual but negative ones are?

[Truesteel Prime]

If you think Dragon Age 2 is superior to Dragon Age Origins in any way, you are in the vast minority, and I think the Metacritic user reviews speak for themselves.

>the visuals are noticeably worse
>the combat is ridiculously easy
>the voice acting is uninspired and boring
>the level design is poor at best
>the game is shorter and less involved overall
>the inventory system has been dumbed down

To me, these all seem like steps backwards. I tried running the game with DX11 enabled and full specs, for which I more than surpass the meager requirements, and the game runs at about 11 frames per second, with artifacts being rendered during combat. This further cements my belief that this game was a poorly optimized rush job. All in all, I feel like I wasted my money.

[RohanD]

Morroian wrote...

RohanD wrote...

The polls on this site seem to negate your opinions which you think are fact

So positive opinions are not factual but negative ones are?

You didn't understand what I wrote. There are 2 polls running at the moment, they are Yay or Nay for DA:O and DA2 respectively.

The DA:O one last time I checked was 83% Yay

The DA2 one last time I checked was split evenly at 48/48 for yay vs nay. 

This means from actual data, that in fact, DA:O is widely seen as being better than DA2. This is also reiterated by all the reviews which were released after the game came out. 

This means that the original poster may be right in their own mind, but the majority do not agree with them. So stating their opinions as fact is kind of annoying to the majority who think otherwise. 

[mesmerizedish]

Drogo45 wrote...

DA:O was a rehash of what went before.  DA2 is more evolutionary.  Quicker, sharper, more of a punch.

However, I can see where folks stuck in "old school" and believe that Baulder's Gate is the pennicle of RPG holiness would be dissappointed.  Just like the folks who prefer Zelda: A Link to the Past over Windwaker. 

Huh. I think Link to the Past is infinitely better than Windwaker, but I think DAII is also much better than Origins. I agree with all of your points but the Zelda one

Best BioWare game since Shadows of Amn, no question in my mind.

[TJSolo]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Graphics aren't really an improvment
Where's my freeroam camera in gameplay?
Wtf is better movement? The teleport ability with the rogue?
Well I think DA:O had better voice acting
Sure I'll give you this
Story huh? How about them fetch quests?

Oh there werent fetch quest in DAO.Hate to break it to you but bioware has never been a master at sidequest.And before you say anything DAO have one super annoying fetch quest.....the sacred ashes....

But the entirety of DAO fetch quests were not "find a peice of junk and magically know who lost it and where they are in the Free Marches."
Most of even the most mundane quests in DAO involved quest giver NPCs and locations before fetching the goods.