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[Melness]

Truesteel Prime wrote...

>the combat is ridiculously easy

In my experience so far, most people who judge the combat that way didn't bother making it harder, that is playing on Nightmare. I'm still looking for a review that was aware of the difficulty level overhaul.

The closest I could find was the french one, but apparently they couldn't play it because of a targetting bug I never heard before.

[cobretti1818]

Judging from the OP, looks like Bioware were successful in getting the COD crowd.

[LaughingDragon]

Anyone who thinks windwaker is better than a link to the past is either a moms basement cave troll or should seek treatment from a trained psychiatrist immediately. Something is seriously wrong with your brain and you no longer exist in reality.

Saying windwaker is better than a link to the past, is the same as saying windwaker is better than Ocarina of time = you are out of this world crazy 

Knowing that there is even 1 person out there in the entire world who could possibly think windwaker is better than a link to the past makes me want to never play a game again for the rest of my life. In the name of the father, son, holy ghost may Jesus keep keep safe the short bus you clearly ride on OP.

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 11 mars 2011 - 01:05 .

[Medhia Nox]

So far, I do not agree with you.

- COMBAT:

All I have been doing on Nightmare is running around in circles kiting enemies. I won't say the combat is "stoopid" - I'll say it is absolutely not my style.

Why does a fireball hurt the whole party - but a Lightning Storm doesn't? (on Nightmare) Also - having a two-handed warrior and any other melee seems completely impractical. My two-hander does nothing but kill my party members. (Thanks for "Scything" right through me Carver - you douche.)

I like the idea of knock back (knock down) but I despise the execution. It's like CC in MMOs - sometimes I feel like a rogue is stun locking me in WoW.

Endless, boring waves of mobs. I don't mind the challenge on Nightmare - I mind how boring it is. All you have to do is run a few rooms back anyway - the mobs will spawn but sit in their original room. I suppose that's "a" tactic.

- STORY:

I probably have the least problem with the story. It seems interesting enough so far and I definitely do not need a - save the world - campaign in every RPG I play.

I do feel it's insanely rushed at times. First it's (minor very beginning spoilers) "Be Awesome!" okay "That's a STORY!" okay "Run for your life!" okay "BOAT!" okay "Get a job" okay, fast forward "Aveline: 'You're family Hawke." STOP - what? No I'm not, we've spent about ten minutes of game together.

I don't like how the day/night is implemented. If side quests are going to be multi-part and have a bunch of cutscenes (not problem with either idea) then only let me do one at a time. Let me finish it up - bam - done. This way, when an NPC says: "OMG, save mah baby!" I don't go to the area to save the babeh - and then, hmm... there's some quests here too.

My absolute biggest complaint - Dragon Age 2 feels like Carver. A younger sibling living in the shadow of its better, more important brother. Why? Because I don't meet new NPCs - I get nearly ALL the old NPCs back - they're constantly talking about Ferelden this, Ferelden that, Warden this, Warden that... this isn't a new story, this is "What everyone else is doing that isn't nearly as important as the Grey Warden."

- NPCs:

So far I don't find them anywhere near as interesting as the characters from DA:O. Where are my bardic tales from Leliana? Where are my worldly lessons from Wrynn? My philosophical arguments with Sten? Zevrans adventures? Shales' weird musing about flesh-things and pigeons? I even miss Morrigan's dark edgy ****iness - and Alistair's pedantic whining.

The very first thing - you can start "romancing" these people.

I have to give credit where it's due though - two characters I did not expect to like AT ALL - I find really interesting. Merryl and Fenris. Now, if only there was more to them... maybe I just need to get to Act II where the RP really starts... I dunno.

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Anyway, all just opinions - but I'll be holding off on future installments.

[Spectre 117]

TJSolo wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Graphics aren't really an improvment
Where's my freeroam camera in gameplay?
Wtf is better movement? The teleport ability with the rogue?
Well I think DA:O had better voice acting
Sure I'll give you this
Story huh? How about them fetch quests?

Oh there werent fetch quest in DAO.Hate to break it to you but bioware has never been a master at sidequest.And before you say anything DAO have one super annoying fetch quest.....the sacred ashes....

But the entirety of DAO fetch quests were not "find a peice of junk and magically know who lost it and where they are in the Free Marches."
Most of even the most mundane quests in DAO involved quest giver NPCs and locations before fetching the goods. 

Again i hold no objection towards that statement as it is true.

[GrackFields420]

Cool story bro.

[McLargepants]

I agree with the original poster.. mostly. The graphics are better.. mostly with some problems. I like the art style way more. Elves and Qunari look like a different races. Not slightly shorter with pointy ears, or much taller and a slightly different skin color.

The level design is embarrassing.. enough said about that.

Whoever said fetch quests were a negative to DA2.. what about finding the love notes, or undead body parts (dont remember the word was.. gull maybe?). I beat DA2 last night and I remember off the top of my head two fetch quests, one I did (the herbalist guy's quests) and one I didnt (qunari swords)

Biggest improvement over DA:O is the combat movement! I can't describe how nice it is to not have the warden bumpin into everybody trying to hit the bad guy!

Lastly, a big problem plotwise for me is the blood magic. In DA:O you could make Wynne a blood mage and yet she still has a serious problem with blood magic. I could be best friends with Alistair, and be a blood mage, obviously a blood mage and he doesn't even care. So I was hoping that with blood magic being such a serious evil I was hoping either you couldn't become one or it would have an impact on the plot. I just started my mage playthru so I don't know first hand but I heard it doesn't, so I'm disappointed.

Love the game tho! I just accept it is a game in the Dragon age world not Dragon Age: Origins 2

[Flunkorg]

Spectre 117 wrote...

Um you see sir here is the problem.Everyone is comparing DA2 to DAO when they are practically tow different beast with the same name.

tow?

[Ferretinabun]

Melness wrote...

Truesteel Prime wrote...

>the combat is ridiculously easy

In my experience so far, most people who judge the combat that way didn't bother making it harder, that is playing on Nightmare. I'm still looking for a review that was aware of the difficulty level overhaul.

I'm so hoping this is the case.
I've heard a lot of people say 'It's a button-masher' and 'no strategy in combat', while others who actually play around with the difficulty settings saying how hard it is on nightmare. I'm getting it tomorrow, but I'm hoping that hard/nightmare makes strategic combat not only viable, but necessary.

[Ghost Flower]

There are things some people will like, and things people wont with both of the games.
Personally I commend Bioware for their innovation. It's a hard thing to do because as seen here, hardcore fans do not like innovation, they want the same game they had played before.

If a lot of people don't like it, whatever, there is still a fan-base for it, and the fan-base will grow.
Both games are good, get over it. If you don't like it just do a quick play-through for the story (unless you really hate the story THAT much) And go back to Dragon Age:Origins.

Just stop bickering. Yes we know some people love the new game, and some people hate it. And it's NOT going to get anywhere because... Well, the reasons for both sides are the same.

The graphics are so much better! vs. The graphics are so much worse!
I do honor the guy that made this post for going against what the vast majority are saying, but this thread is useless.
If you like it, good, keep playing it.
If you dont, oh well, don't play it. This most likely isn't the first, or last time you'll be disappointed in a game you bought. Likely, you're not getting your money back so stop complaining that you wasted it.

EDIT: Just wanted to make sure people know I'm not talking about just the graphics, because I have a feeling people will say something about that. All of the rest of the examples are the same.

The story is worse vs. the story is better.
The combat is worse vs. the combat is better.
And so on.

Modifié par Ghost Flower, 11 mars 2011 - 01:26 .

[AnnaBananaBamBamBoo]

OMG the graphics are a DEFINATE improvement in DA2 (unless you're playing with Windows ME on a Pentium 3). I just stand there and look around, the air around light off in the distance is beautiful, so realistic. The whole city of Kirkwall is astounding, nooks and crannies that never would have existed in DAO. In DAO even walking the trails outside felt cramped, in DA2 it feels a lot more wide open, as RPG's should be. There's a great balance between action and storyline, I actually welcome battles, whereas in DAO I dreaded them sometimes.

And there's so much to do! I don't believe the authors of reviews that say they took 30 hours to complete. What did they do, run everywhere, rush through everything? These RPGs by Bioware are meant to enjoy, take your time, look around and explore. Try things differently than you would normally do in meatspace.

[Dragoonlordz]

Stop using the term 'hardcore fans' please. It is not hardcore fans that always complain when something is broke or dislike something, it is just as possible for a new player who only just played through a bioware title to equally like or dislike it.

With regard to increasing the fanbase by making the game more inline with other genres to draw in that crowd, it brings to mind the phrase juggling too many plates at once... They will in the end fall.

This isn't my having a go at anyone in particular I just am pointing out my dislike for some of the terms people are using and why.

[Eternal Dust]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

In every way? No.
In every way I care about? Yes.

Truth.

[TJSolo]

AnnaBananaBamBamBoo wrote...

OMG the graphics are a DEFINATE improvement in DA2 (unless you're playing with Windows ME on a Pentium 3). I just stand there and look around, the air around light off in the distance is beautiful, so realistic. The whole city of Kirkwall is astounding, nooks and crannies that never would have existed in DAO. In DAO even walking the trails outside felt cramped, in DA2 it feels a lot more wide open, as RPG's should be. There's a great balance between action and storyline, I actually welcome battles, whereas in DAO I dreaded them sometimes.

And there's so much to do! I don't believe the authors of reviews that say they took 30 hours to complete. What did they do, run everywhere, rush through everything? These RPGs by Bioware are meant to enjoy, take your time, look around and explore. Try things differently than you would normally do in meatspace.

Hyperbole much? Where are these nooks and crannies that would never have existed in DAO? I have been walking around the Wounded Coast, Dalish encampment, and Alienage and I have to say it does not feel that much more wide open than DAO. In fact since Kirkwall is more of an island it feels more limited in scope than the Ferelden.

[NICE-N-EVIL]

LaughingDragon wrote...

Anyone who thinks windwaker is better than a link to the past is either a moms basement cave troll or should seek treatment from a trained psychiatrist immediately. Something is seriously wrong with your brain and you no longer exist in reality.

Saying windwaker is better than a link to the past, is the same as saying windwaker is better than Ocarina of time = you are out of this world crazy 

Knowing that there is even 1 person out there in the entire world who could possibly think windwaker is better than a link to the past makes me want to never play a game again for the rest of my life. In the name of the father, son, holy ghost may Jesus keep keep safe the short bus you clearly ride on OP.

By far, one of the funniest posts I came accross.....you should be a comedian! 

[DrZagreus]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

This whole topic is nothing more than flamebait and I for one would like to see it locked, this is because you starting statement is telling people what is better or worse instead of just what you like or dislike in form of an opinion.

I agree they're opinions of the Original Poster's more than fact. But since all naysayers put their arguments as fact and how dreadful everything bit of it is. I think this thread should be left alone. I do think BioWare could do with combining some of the We Hate BioWare and EA threads because there is too many of them on the board and I for one am sick of seeing them clutter the board up when it could be combined into one.

Modifié par DrZagreus, 13 mars 2011 - 10:46 .

[Tanant]

Drogo45 wrote...

Better Graphics
Better Combat
Better Movement (DA:O was a clunk feast)
Much better voice acting
Menu system is much smoother and better organized
Story is much more personal and therefore involving

DA:O was a rehash of what went before.  DA2 is more evolutionary.  Quicker, sharper, more of a punch.

However, I can see where folks stuck in "old school" and believe that Baulder's Gate is the pennicle of RPG holiness would be dissappointed.  Just like the folks who prefer Zelda: A Link to the Past over Windwaker. 

True, and I really love the new combat pace and "no shuffling". It used to annoy me to death.

[arathor_87]

DA:O maybe had slower combat than DA2 but its superior compared to DA2.

DA:O 9.5/10
DA2 5/10

Now i'm goin to play Rift: Planes of Telara since DA2 is a mediocre game (and its my opinion and you don't need to call me a hater only because I don't like the game.)

[nisallik]

arathor_87 wrote...

DA:O maybe had slower combat than DA2 but its superior compared to DA2.

DA:O 9.5/10
DA2 5/10

Now i'm goin to play Rift: Planes of Telara since DA2 is a mediocre game (and its my opinion and you don't need to call me a hater only because I don't like the game.)

Because you played on an easy difficulty setting.  Dragon Age 2 requires a lot more strategy and planning compared to the simplified difficulty of Origins.  I guess the harder difficulty in Dragon Age 2 was just too hard for you, so you are satisifed with the easiness of DAO.

[UndercoverDoctor]

Someone has a different opinion than I do!

AAAAAGHHHHGGHHHH

[Darkeus]

Wow, these forums have just gotten bad.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Drogo45 wrote...

Better Graphics
Better Combat
Better Movement (DA:O was a clunk feast)
Much better voice acting
Menu system is much smoother and better organized
Story is much more personal and therefore involving

DA:O was a rehash of what went before.  DA2 is more evolutionary.  Quicker, sharper, more of a punch.

However, I can see where folks stuck in "old school" and believe that Baulder's Gate is the pennicle of RPG holiness would be dissappointed.  Just like the folks who prefer Zelda: A Link to the Past over Windwaker. 

DA2 is de-evolutionary.

UI is horrible.
The inventory is lifeless and sterile.
Combat is redicolous, tedious and padded to hell and back.
Balance is horrible.
The new visual style is medicore.

The only thing that's better is that the story is more personal.. the framed narative, companions having homes, time pasing, havinga family - all nice ideas. Too bad the final act is garbage.


I can see how people with low standards can like it. Heck, I like plenty of different games and genres, and I too play a brainless bottun masher for relaxation every now and then. But that is not what DA2 should strive for.

[Redhot_1]

Maybe, but no one can beat companionship like Alistair. He was my bro

[SnakeHelah]

IMO The only thing about it that's better than origins is the combat (minus the enemy waves and all that crap), the graphics and the way the story was told. Everything else went downhill. Especially the companions I think. So it's better and much worse at the same time than origins.

[Tamcia]

DA:O>DA2.
Companions, story, locations, enemies, choices, Origin.
Combat is more fun in DA2 but thats about it.