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[astreqwerty]

the title rly made my day

[locolazy]

Found a broken glass. An elf in lowdown would be interested in this. +250 xp. Best questing ever

[arathor_87]

nisallik wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

DA:O maybe had slower combat than DA2 but its superior compared to DA2.

DA:O 9.5/10
DA2 5/10

Now i'm goin to play Rift: Planes of Telara since DA2 is a mediocre game (and its my opinion and you don't need to call me a hater only because I don't like the game.)

Because you played on an easy difficulty setting.  Dragon Age 2 requires a lot more strategy and planning compared to the simplified difficulty of Origins.  I guess the harder difficulty in Dragon Age 2 was just too hard for you, so you are satisifed with the easiness of DAO.

No, I always play games on hard or nightmare mode, My sister plays on easy since she's not a hardcore gamer. The combat in DA2 is easy since you dont have to think just press 1 2 3 and hack and slash your way through the game. I respect that you like this game but then you havae to respect my opinion, and I don't like this game at all. 

For ME it was a waste of money, as for many others. Look at the critics both here and on other sites and you see I'm not the only one. Many people loves DA:O more than DA2 just look at the polls and reviews around the web. I have played both DA and ME and this is by far the worst game of the four I've played.

You don't have to agree with me but you have to respect my opinion which you don't. Instead you need to say that my gaming abilites is not good enough. It shows that you can't handle criticism and have to say negative stuff about people who doesn't share the same opinion as you. A real shame..

Modifié par arathor_87, 13 mars 2011 - 04:46 .

[Lusitanum]

arathor_87 wrote...

No, I always play games on hard or nightmare mode, My sister plays on easy since she's not a hardcore gamer. The combat in DA2 is easy since you dont have to think just press 1 2 3 and hack and slash your way through the game. I respect that you like this game but then you havae to respect my opinion, and I don't like this game at all.

And how is that different in the slightest about DA:O? That was exactly the way how I beat every single battle in that game: get the Tank to draw aggro and then just press the same sequence of hotkeys to spam your enemies with the same spells and abilities that you've been using through the whole game. So... where this whole "thinking" you've mentioned comes into play? Because I'd love to stop falling asleep while playing Origins.

Oh, granted, DA2 isn't exactly chess either, but with slower cooldowns and more focused abilities, at least I have to put a little bit of thought about how to use certain abilities. Again, it's not much, but it still manages to be better than Origins.

arathor_87 wrote...For ME it was a waste of money, as for many others. Look at the critics both here and on other sites and you see I'm not the only one. Many people loves DA:O more than DA2 just look at the polls and reviews around the web. I have played both DA and ME and this is by far the worst game of the four I've played.

And look at other polls and reviews and people say that the game is actually pretty good. Hell, if anything the opinions from reviewers other than the "this game sucks, it's nothing like BG2 0/10" paint this game in a pretty postivie light. They mention that it feels a bit weak when compared to other Bioware titles (namely Mass Effect 2) but it's still worth getting.

Honestly, I don't have much of an opinion yet, besides the fact that most of the criticism I've seen so far is blown way out of proportion.

[arathor_87]

Lusitanum wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

No, I always play games on hard or nightmare mode, My sister plays on easy since she's not a hardcore gamer. The combat in DA2 is easy since you dont have to think just press 1 2 3 and hack and slash your way through the game. I respect that you like this game but then you havae to respect my opinion, and I don't like this game at all.

And how is that different in the slightest about DA:O? That was exactly the way how I beat every single battle in that game: get the Tank to draw aggro and then just press the same sequence of hotkeys to spam your enemies with the same spells and abilities that you've been using through the whole game. So... where this whole "thinking" you've mentioned comes into play? Because I'd love to stop falling asleep while playing Origins.

Oh, granted, DA2 isn't exactly chess either, but with slower cooldowns and more focused abilities, at least I have to put a little bit of thought about how to use certain abilities. Again, it's not much, but it still manages to be better than Origins.

arathor_87 wrote...For ME it was a waste of money, as for many others. Look at the critics both here and on other sites and you see I'm not the only one. Many people loves DA:O more than DA2 just look at the polls and reviews around the web. I have played both DA and ME and this is by far the worst game of the four I've played.

And look at other polls and reviews and people say that the game is actually pretty good. Hell, if anything the opinions from reviewers other than the "this game sucks, it's nothing like BG2 0/10" paint this game in a pretty postivie light. They mention that it feels a bit weak when compared to other Bioware titles (namely Mass Effect 2) but it's still worth getting.

Honestly, I don't have much of an opinion yet, besides the fact that most of the criticism I've seen so far is blown way out of proportion.

I just feel that DA:O was more epic than DA2. For me graphic and some cool movement ain't everything. I think the story was much better in DA:O, and so was the companions. I think, yes I think that the story was mediocre. Of course I can find positive thing about DA2 but for me this is a random game and nothing more. And if you think the game is great, fun for you. But for me it was a waste of money and something that I wont play again.

Of course many people likes this game, but for many people (more than expected) this was a huge disappointment. And you mention the 0/10 reviews, its the same with some of the 10/10 reviews. The fanboys has to defend Bioware no matter what, they are as much "trolls" as the extreme haters.

And you say that people think its pretty good, but pretty good ain't that good if you compare to epic or superb for me. Every game has it flaws but for me DA:O is much better than DA2. People mention "improved graphic" and better combat but behind all this its a pretty mediocre game, and thats my opinion. You don't have to agree but you don't need to trash my post like some of you most likely will do. You can't like everything and this was nothing for me. I hope the next game will be much better. Enjoy your gaming!

[Lusitanum]

arathor_87 wrote...

I just feel that DA:O was more epic than DA2. For me graphic and some cool movement ain't everything. I think the story was much better in DA:O, and so was the companions. I think, yes I think that the story was mediocre. Of course I can find positive thing about DA2 but for me this is a random game and nothing more. And if you think the game is great, fun for you. But for me it was a waste of money and something that I wont play again.

I never said the game was great, I'm just saying that it looks like people keep bashing DA2 for the same flaws that are apparently quailities in DA:O. Namely the boring-and-shallow-as-all-Hell combat.

arathor_87 wrote...Of course many people likes this game, but for many people (more than expected) this was a huge disappointment. And you mention the 0/10 reviews, its the same with some of the 10/10 reviews. The fanboys has to defend Bioware no matter what, they are as much "trolls" as the extreme haters.

Diference being, that they're a lot less vocal and numerous.

You'll find idiots on any side of any fence on any matter in life. But you can make a difference by being better than that and actually discussing things, being willing to give and take in equal measures.

arathor_87 wrote...And you say that people think its pretty good, but pretty good ain't that good if you compare to epic or superb for me. Every game has it flaws but for me DA:O is much better than DA2. People mention "improved graphic" and better combat but behind all this its a pretty mediocre game, and thats my opinion. You don't have to agree but you don't need to trash my post like some of you most likely will do. You can't like everything and this was nothing for me. I hope the next game will be much better. Enjoy your gaming!

No, I don't have to agree, but neither do you need to get so defensive. Open up, pull up a chair and let's talk about it. That's what these boards should be about, not the constant "Bioware sold themselves to the console-kiddies" or "the critics are all a minority of whinners".

[arathor_87]

Lusitanum wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

I just feel that DA:O was more epic than DA2. For me graphic and some cool movement ain't everything. I think the story was much better in DA:O, and so was the companions. I think, yes I think that the story was mediocre. Of course I can find positive thing about DA2 but for me this is a random game and nothing more. And if you think the game is great, fun for you. But for me it was a waste of money and something that I wont play again.

I never said the game was great, I'm just saying that it looks like people keep bashing DA2 for the same flaws that are apparently quailities in DA:O. Namely the boring-and-shallow-as-all-Hell combat.

arathor_87 wrote...Of course many people likes this game, but for many people (more than expected) this was a huge disappointment. And you mention the 0/10 reviews, its the same with some of the 10/10 reviews. The fanboys has to defend Bioware no matter what, they are as much "trolls" as the extreme haters.

Diference being, that they're a lot less vocal and numerous.

You'll find idiots on any side of any fence on any matter in life. But you can make a difference by being better than that and actually discussing things, being willing to give and take in equal measures.

arathor_87 wrote...And you say that people think its pretty good, but pretty good ain't that good if you compare to epic or superb for me. Every game has it flaws but for me DA:O is much better than DA2. People mention "improved graphic" and better combat but behind all this its a pretty mediocre game, and thats my opinion. You don't have to agree but you don't need to trash my post like some of you most likely will do. You can't like everything and this was nothing for me. I hope the next game will be much better. Enjoy your gaming!

No, I don't have to agree, but neither do you need to get so defensive. Open up, pull up a chair and let's talk about it. That's what these boards should be about, not the constant "Bioware sold themselves to the console-kiddies" or "the critics are all a minority of whinners".

I didn't say that you would trash my post but I'm sure someone will do it later. Yes boards should be like that, but they ain't and won't be and thats sad. I'm just happy for those who thinks this was a good game, then your money was well spent. I don't spend that much money on a game just to give it a bad review even if people think thats the case. I'm not that rich! 

And what do you want do discuss? Do you want to know why I think it was a mediocre game or what?  I have already told you what I think even if it wasn't that deep maybe.

Modifié par arathor_87, 13 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[Defekto21]

-graphics are better...
-like the combat very much
-better movement...true
-voice acting...quite good,love that my character can talk btw
-menu system,i agree with that one too
-both stories are great.

You man got same opinion as i do

[Lusitanum]

arathor_87 wrote...
And what do you want do discuss? Do you want to know why I think it was a mediocre game or what?  I have already told you what I think even if it wasn't that deep maybe.

Meh, nothing in particular. If you feel like mentioning something, just do so without fear of how much trashing you might get. Hell, you're going to get it no matter what you say or what side you're on, might as well speak your mind.

[XX55XX]

Better than Origins? What are you smoking? Origins clearly had a better storyline - one that actually made you feel like the hero of your own narrative. And the companions were far more fleshed out as well.

[TJSolo]

locolazy wrote...

Found a broken glass. An elf in lowdown would be interested in this. +250 xp. Best questing ever

That is better than me. I just opened a master-locked chest and only found a stained glass bottle that sold for ~50c.

Modifié par TJSolo, 13 mars 2011 - 06:23 .

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

I wouldn't put it that way, I think they are both on equal ground. DAII wins in some areas, such as presentation and style, while Origins has more memorable characters and villains.

Both are great RPGs that have a permanent place in my top 10.

[Piecake]

XX55XX wrote...

Better than Origins? What are you smoking? Origins clearly had a better storyline - one that actually made you feel like the hero of your own narrative. And the companions were far more fleshed out as well.

I actually prefer DA2's storyline.  DAO's story was just so simplistic and cliche.  Gather allies and stop the big bad evil dude from destroying the world!  How exciting!  Ive never seen that story at all...  I did feel like the companions in DAO were more memorable and fleshed out, but I still feel like the companions in DA2 are very good. 

I think the problem some people have is that their characters are fleshed out in their personal side quests and party banter, not initiated conversations.  I think DA2 did a better job with party banter and companion side quests.  I am now hoping that DA3 keeps those aspects be re-introduces initiated conversations into the mix. 

As for my opinion, I would rate both about an 8.5, but for different reasons.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

simfamSP wrote...

Drogo45 wrote...

Better Graphics
Better Combat
Better Movement (DA:O was a clunk feast)
Much better voice acting
Menu system is much smoother and better organized
Story is much more personal and therefore involving

DA:O was a rehash of what went before.  DA2 is more evolutionary.  Quicker, sharper, more of a punch.

However, I can see where folks stuck in "old school" and believe that Baulder's Gate is the pennicle of RPG holiness would be dissappointed.  Just like the folks who prefer Zelda: A Link to the Past over Windwaker. 

I like DA2 as much as the next person, but they both had things that were better than each-other. DA2 has a more BG II feel, whils't Origins is more like BG I

That's a good point. Both BGII and Planescape pretty much revolved around one city and it's outlying areas, and Kirkwall definitely has the same feel. The Black Emporium definitely had a Planescape feel.

[Lusitanum]

XX55XX wrote...

Better than Origins? What are you smoking? Origins clearly had a better storyline - one that actually made you feel like the hero of your own narrative.

Yes, wasn't that just original and ground-breaking?

Seriously, am I the only who's sick of saving the world and would rather just see a more personal story? I mean, just for a change?

[FellowerOfOdin]

For a second I thought "Hey, this could be an interesting topic, finally a place where you could see something else than bad stuff posted in DA:RtP"...

...but then, I saw that it's that Drago guy again. Troll thread is troll.

[Myounage]

Lol.

[zyxe]

2papercuts wrote...

Spectre 117 wrote...

Um you see sir here is the problem.Everyone is comparing DA2 to DAO when they are practically tow different beast with the same name.

yeah but thats the point


Its a sequel

agreed. this really feels like a completely different RPG that just happens to be in the DA universe, it doesn't feel like a sequel, or an entire game, it feels more like a side story (which it really is so far into level 10). the game lacks soul. it's like a bad TV spinoff of a good movie (DAO being the good movie).  combat is OK, i can't say that it's better than DAO. it's flashier, but as i'm getting into it, i felt more in control when playing DAO. not sure why. graphics are interesting, no problem there. they are more detailed but a bit laggier, too. character creator lacks some of the options of DAO, not the biggest deal. i dislike the heal/shared potion cooldown, that's kinda dumb though i haven't been KOed too much, which is also kind of wierd (hehe). voice acting doesn't feel better, i dislike the lead female voice and the dialogue is pretty stupid most of the time.

biggest problem for me is the complete lack of story so far, that almost EVERYTHING is a side quest it feels, no growth of characters so far, and i have zero attachment to the characters. i don't really care about my decisions and how they affect the world like i did in DAO.

though i am very glad the OP enjoys the game better it's good when you feel that your $60 was worth it.

[darklordpocky-san]

yes, because evolution involves cutting out content and rushing out a product to meet a 2-year mandated deadline. . .

I bet you're going to tell me next that FFXIII is the evolution of jRPGs.

I think we all need to learn the differences between evolution and de-evolution a.k.a. dumbing down/streamlining/cutting back/etc.

[Milki Tea]

I love the Dragon Age universe/story/backhistory etc etc...
But i thought the actual gameplay for Origins was totally boring/nonstrategic at all! I'm sure video game connoisseurs just choose to like a style of gameplay knowing full well that hardly anyone else will like it....which is EXACTLY what DA:O was a victim of, stereotypical gamers, who 'love' what the majority hates...Btw, i absolutely love DA2. It's more mainstream? NO, it's just far better at doing everything that DA:O did and didn't achieve. you guys not noticed, that the exact same 'hardxcore gamers' who prefer DA:O over DA2, prefer Mass Effect 1 over 2...its the same stereotypical 'hardcore gamer' bull****, that FILLS every god-damned video game forum on the ****ing planet....ZZZzzzzzz IM GETTING ****ING BORED OF YOU SAD GEEKS MAN...
They all have their favourite game, but when their little favourite game gets too big to fit in their little pocket and they have to share their own joy with the majority... they all act like little spoilt 8 year olds.

[MorrowRail]

You guys are so right! I hope for Civilization 6, they remake it as a real time strategy game with dragons and lasers! Dragon Age 2 is really KEWL. I like that the hero is totally XXXTREME and that the girls all have giant breasts and that you can have the romances I can never have in real life! Good work, Bioware!

[Raice]

Anathemic wrote...  Some stuff...

Graphics aren't really an improvment

- Yes they are - by a landslide.  The art direction alone is like playing a different franchise.

Where's my freeroam camera in gameplay?

- Why exactly do you need this in DA2?  Is the exclusion of this camera the only argument people actually have when they claim DA2 is less tactical?  I'm beginning to believe it is.

Wtf is better movement? The teleport ability with the rogue?

- I'm sure he means that it doesn't take you a day and a half to get somewhere.  The characters in DAO moved like dump-trucks on ice.

Well I think DA:O had better voice acting

- Technically speaking, I think anyone who claims that there is any audible difference between either of them is maybe a little too fanboy for either game.  They're both about the same as far as quality is concerned.

Sure I'll give you this

- You don't have to give anything.  The interface just works better.

Story huh? How about them fetch quests?

- Urn of Sacred Ashes was one gigantic fetch quest.  It was literally quite ridiculous.  How about these?  "Bring me 3 vials of Darkspawn blood.  And then bring back those treaties while you're at it."  Are there any other quests in the game that are actually memorable?  Strange that trying to even think of some other quests, the only ones that I can even recall are all fetch quests.

- DA2 had a good story.  Why people try and demean that is beyond me.  It's like if it doesn't have the words, "You are the chosen one and you must save the world..." then not only is it not "good" it's actually made fun of and considered "bad".  It makes no sense at all...

Modifié par Raice, 03 juillet 2011 - 07:21 .

[Raice]

corym77 wrote...

I HATE not being able to customize my companions and I'm not just talking about their armor. In DA:O if I wanted Alistar to go two hander I could. In DA2 I can't change anyone out of their predestined paths and that's lame. We only have one tank warrior and the other warriors can't even equip a shield...WTF?!?

Here's the thing that I don't think people are understand about DA2 and how the companions work.

In DAO... I had to have certain characters on my crew.  I had to.  Why?  Because you had to have certain classes in your crew.  You had to have a Sword/Board Warrior to tank.  You had to have it.  No matter which of the characters you had, you had to have a Sword/Board Warrior.  You had to have a Healer which meant a Mage.  You had to have it.  I don't care how strategic you played... you had to have a Healer.  Now, you also had to have a DPS class present.  None of the Warrior builds will do here, and Rogue is... meh.  You really only have one option, and that's a Mage.  Your option here is to have a DPS/Healer Mage - but that isn't efficient.  So you're usually stuck with at least 2 Mages, though you can do with just one until the latter parts of the game.  And so forth and so on.

Unfortunately, the characters in DAO come pre-loaded into certain builds.  Which means, essentially for instance, if you don't finish Alistair out in some kind of Sword/Board build - then you're pretty much guaranteeing yourself that your Tank character will be broken in a bad way.  The same goes for pretty much all the other characters.

My point is, in DAO, I found that I ended up using a team made up of characters I didn't find interesting.  My team was built off the idea that they were the most effective.  This would change depending on what class your character played.

I played a 2H Warrior spec.

I had to have Alistair, because 2H Warriors can't tank for ****.  I had to have Morrigan, because 2H Warriors can't DPS for ****.  I had to have Wynn, because not only did my tank require constant healing whether I played well or not, but my character also required constant healing, and I couldn't afford to waste Morrigan's Mana on heals when I needed her DPS.

Before I got Wynn, I did use Leliana, but simply because I could afford to.  Later on, I had to have the healing.  There was no way around it.


Now, in DA2, there are some interesting things going on.  You can't change a characters pre-defined weapon of choice - true.  But you also don't need to, either.  Why?  Because the classes are built around the idea that Warrior doesn't have to equal Tank; Rogue doesn't have to equal sneaky, sneaky; and Mage doesn't have to equal Healer, DPS, or Crowd Control.

For instance, my team is DA2 is usually:

1.  Hawke as an Off-Tank, Crowd Control Mage.

2.  Varric as my Ranged DPS Crowd Control Rogue.

3.  Merril as my AOE DPS Mage.

4.  And Isabella as my Tank Rogue.

You'll notice Anders isn't in my group, and none of my Mages are specced for healing.  Why?  Because you don't have to have healing with this team.  You should simply see it in action... everything... just.... dies - it's not even fair, really.  And believe it or not, Isabella is one tough cookie when you spec her correctly.

The key here is how you spec each character.  I can totally make any of these characters something entirely different, just by changing some of their skills.

My secondary crew:

1.  Hawke as an Off-Tank, Crowd Control Mage.

2.  Varric as my Ranged DPS Crowd Control Rogue.

3.  Fenric as my AOE DPS Warrior, specced to take advantage of Criticals.

4.  Anders to keep Fenric alive.


Varric is always in the group.  He is the most bad-ass character in the game.... He's telling the story for a reason, after all.

You'll notice I never have Aveline in the team.  I do, but only when she has to be in the group for quest reasons, or I am fighting a particularly hard fight (like with a Dragon or something.)  If that's the case, then I usually just use my second crew and replace Fenric for her.


My point is this:  DA2 is built to allow you to choose the characters you find more interesting to play with, instead of requiring certain classes and roles to be present.  In DA2, I don't have to have Aveline, because Isabella can do that fine, or if I play Hawke as a Rogue, I can make him fill that role.  In DAO, unless you have the mod that lets you respec all the characters - you're pretty much stuck with Alistair in your group, unless you play a Sword/Board Warrior yourelf.

So, to me - it's a fair trade-off.

[Serpieri Nei]