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[Jians]

Bluesmith wrote...
In fairness, I think you're misinterpreting the reasoning behind his inclusion of the JRPG reference.

I don't
use this morph, but it nevertheless strikes me as odd when I see so
many people adamantly complaining about and denegrating it. Well, it
*did* strike me as such until I remembered what the phenomenon known as
trolling was.

On the off chance that the whiners in this
thread are not disingenuously pot-stirring: why do you care what other
people do with their free time?

Admittedly I may have missed some of his references, but anyone should know better than to lump the words JRPGs and fresh together. And since Firefox doesn't have any reference/sarcasm detector built into it, I think I'm more than excused for not picking it up

But, to return to reason, I refer to the quote above ...If you don't like the mod, just shut up and sod off. No bloody reason to bash a work that's related to personal tastes.

mbchudno wrote...

mbchudno wrote...
Original is better.  Keep your barbie doll, i take my Morrigan cold and evil any day of the week. 

mbchudno wrote...
you turned more or less natural looking
lips into hooker like ones Sure, same amount of makeup, different
color. Whatever rocks your boat though... While you are at it, don't
forget to give her some schoolgirl outfit for even more "innocent"
look... to make her more multidimensional of cause.

I just think that some constructive criticism should be welcome whenever someone puts his work on display.

Because constructive criticism is calling someone's sense of art "barbie-dollish", but not giving any suggestions for improvement. Contradict much?

Modifié par Jians, 18 novembre 2009 - 10:03 .

[mufuti7]

Nice work, crafty hands were at work I am sure.

I dont like the new face though, the ingame Morrigan looks much more fitting to the actual character despite what a concept art may have looked like.

The new face has a bit of emo girl 2.0 look hehe

but great work nontheless.

[mbchudno]

Jians , this is forum, place where people express their opinions. Otherwise, there are plenty of places you can share your mod and disable comments to avoid terror of someone saying something about it that you don't like. And if i think that new face looks too soft and barbie looking comparing to original, i have a right to say that. If you not happy about my opinion, its your problem and you can "just shut up and sod off"...

PS.  i did explain why i did not like it.  hence the constructive (barbie looking, generic, etc)

Modifié par mbchudno, 18 novembre 2009 - 10:11 .

[Jians]

mbchudno wrote...
Jians , this is forum, place where
people express their opinions. Otherwise, there are plenty of places
you can share your mod and disable comments to avoid terror of someone
saying something about it that you don't like. And if i think that new
face looks too soft and barbie looking comparing to original, i have a
right to say that. If you not happy about my opinion, its your problem
and you can "just shut up and sod off"...

PS.  i did explain why i did not like it.  hence the constructive (barbie looking, generic, etc)

Just saying a piece of artwork is "barbie looking" or "generic" is NOT, I repeat, NOT constructive criticism ... it's pointless bashing. No idea where you took Constructive Criticism 101 but I think you might've missed a few lessons.

Now, saying something like "The pupils are too glossy, and it doesn't suit Morrigan's character" ... THAT'S constructive criticism.

And yes, you're perfectly entitled to have your criticism on these forums. Simultaneously, I'm also allowed to criticise your criticism.

Modifié par Jians, 18 novembre 2009 - 11:27 .

[mbchudno]

describing how artwork makes you feel is pretty constructive, regardless what words are used.

i am sure you have many years of taking that "Constructive Criticism 101" behind your learned self. If that is your thing anyway. But it really irrelevant to the topic of conversation. Instead of complaining about me expressing my opinion, you should maybe read up on what i have wrote in all the remarks to see that specific details of what i did not like in rework were provided. Its up to the author of mod to consider or disregard it. Mod is his creation and to be honest,  I care very little ether way And your complains or opinion about my opinion are really unimportant unless you planning to take up modding and do something about it.

Modifié par mbchudno, 18 novembre 2009 - 11:52 .

[Jians]

How the hell do you expect the author to improve the mod based on so called "constructive artwork description"?

Since you clearly need it spelt out for you ... the point isn't about your opinion because you've already stated what you think. It's about suggesting what the author should do instead based on what you think.

In this instance, you've said its "barbie looking" and "generic". Kay, fine. So what should he do instead to improve it to make it look less like generic Barbie but better than the original Morrigan?

Yes, I've read up on all your posts and thus far you've only provided ONE friggin suggestion which was to remove the eyeshadow. Care to explain how the heck does that make it not uglier than the original? And I'm sure it'll make a bloody helluva difference too /sarcasm.

There, I've explained the whole nine yards. If you still can't get it and post in a proper constructive manner, then you really have no right to complain about me telling you to "shut up and sod off"

Modifié par Jians, 19 novembre 2009 - 12:23 .

[mbchudno]

lol, and you happened to be an authority on the subject? As i said before, i really don't care about your opinion on this topic since you obviously too busy contemplating your greatness and wisdom in all things creative and critical. Just let it go...

[Jians]

Marked as troll.

End of useless attempt to get a logical response.

For the record, you were the one responding so I didn't need to let go of anything. And for someone who didn't care about my opinion, you sure responded alot to it;)

Now shut up and sod off.

Modifié par Jians, 19 novembre 2009 - 12:39 .

[mbchudno]

lol, if your lack of vocabulary and mental ability marks me as a troll and makes you resort to petty insults, then so be it

Modifié par mbchudno, 19 novembre 2009 - 12:43 .

[Drakonnen]

Jians wrote...

How the hell do you expect the author to improve the mod based on so called "constructive artwork description"?

Thanks for your defense and constructiveness throught the thread, Jians.

Just so I am clear for everyone else, particularly the naysayers and critics, here is my modding philosophy:  I make mods for just one person.  Me. 

My mods are based on my tastes, and are subject only to them.  I don't make mods to seek approval from or to try and please the masses.

I'm happy to share them with other people, because I know that chances are, seeing as I have excellent tastes and all, that if I like a particular mod I've made, others will appreciate it too.  At least I'm assuming as much, considering collectively my game mods have downloads numbering in the hundreds of thousands. 

Now, if there is a little tweak here or there that tons of people are requesting, like the yellow eye alternate, I'm happy to do it, because I know that its easy for me to make that alternate version, and it'll improve the game a bit for the hundreds of people who have downloaded it.  Likewise, if someone points out issues, like something that looks really off that I may not have noticed, a problem what happened, I'm happy to fix those too, because I'd want it fixed for my own game.

There will always be naysayers, and like they say, opinions are like a-holes because everyone has one, and because a lot of people can be a-holes when expressing theirs, lol.  Of course, praise is great and thanks is always nice and certainly appreciated , but I don't want anyone to think for even a second that I feel the need to modify my work to fit anyone else's taste or particular artistic styles and desires, because, you know what?  

When I see a mod that not my cup of tea, I can admire the work that went into it and the modder for sharing it, but just pass on by.  Alternately, what originally got me started in modding is when there is something I really don't like, or something I really want, rather than **** about it or beg for it, I simply try to do it better or fulfill my own wants.  And, hell, in this game, with the toolset and the tutorials around, its much, much easier to do then it has been in most others.

So, certain critics should get out their armchairs, and, well, into their computer chairs and learn to do it for themselves!

[Skellimancer]

she could use some cheekbone.

[Drakonnen]

Skellimancer wrote...

she could use some cheekbone.

I <3 you, Skellimancer.

[tls5669]

Would like to try it out, but unfortunately, Steam doesnt have an override folder.

[Drakonnen]

tls5669 wrote...

Would like to try it out, but unfortunately, Steam doesnt have an override folder.

Thats bizarre.  I'm sure there has to be some kind of work around.

I never understood why anyone even uses that ****g program.

[Jians]

Drakonnen wrote...
Thanks for your defense and constructiveness throught the thread, Jians.

A great piece of work is naturally worth defending and improving so you're welcome

tls5669 wrote...
Would like to try it out, but unfortunately, Steam doesnt have an override folder.

Try looking at your Steam\\SteamApps\\common\\dragon age origins folder and see if you can find the override folder there.

[Bfler]

Good work, but for me it looks to much like an untouched young girl. The original version fits better to her character.

[Wretched Gnu]

Drakonnen wrote...
My mods are based on my tastes, and are subject only to them.  I don't make mods to seek approval from or to try and please the masses.

Claiming you aren't trying to "please the masses" is a bit disingenuous, no?  Your primary argument for the idea that a barbie doll represents the "normal" definition of beauty was precisely that the masses agree with you.  (And they don't agree with you, actually.  "The masses" = people around the world, not just the dudes in your favorite sports bar.  They're quite the minority.)

More importantly: you gotta stop imagining that anybody cares about your "approval", or that anybody is trying to make you change or remove the mod.  I couldn't possibly care less.  The reason I participate here is that my daughters and my friends' daughters may read this forum, and I want them to know there's an argument.

Modifié par Wretched Gnu, 19 novembre 2009 - 03:48 .

[Drakonnen]

Wretched Gnu wrote...

Claiming you aren't trying to "please the masses" is a bit disingenuous, no?  Your primary argument for the idea that a barbie doll represents the "normal" definition of beauty was precisely that the masses agree with you.

Actually, I've said throughout that beauty is subjective.  My mod fits my tastes, and considering this is now the 3rd most popular mod for the game, yes, apparently a lot of people share them.

Yes, I personally think the original Morrigan is ugly.  Half the people who don't like my mod don't like it because they want Morrigan to continue looking cold, calculating, somewhat-alien and evil, not because they thought she was pretty as is.

You keep imagining that somewhere in this thread people are saying this face is the only beautiful face out there, or it represents the ideal.  That's not the case and you need to get over yourself, really.

As I've stated, this doesn't even represent -my- ideal, it simply better reflects the art versions of her which I do prefer.

Wretched Gnu wrote...

The reason I participate here is that my daughters and my friends' daughters may read this forum, and I want them to know there's an argument.

Yeah, I have a daughter too.  Trying to make one mod to match the art over the original in game look is not a referendum on the looks of young women in general or your daughters, so, really, stop trying to turn it into one.  Its only because of you and your delusions that it is such a thing that your daughters or your friends daughters might read this thread and think it is.

Now if your daughter's have eyes that are like two sizes too small for their face and are yellow with no iris pattern and are also oddly non-reflective, I could see how they might think it applies to them.  Otherwise, I really think you have nothing to worry about.

And, let me just add, that considering people do have the, how did you put it "bubble headed" and wide eyed cheerleader looking girls as daughters (mine is 3, so I'm not referring to me), your constant insistence that such girls are not truly beautiful and also uninteresting to look at is completely hypocritical of you because you are attacking the looks of other girls who, for all you know could also read this forum if you actually think your daughters or friend's daughters would.

And as for anyone claiming the masses agree with them, you're the one who said ALL adult males don't find girls that look like the mod or "cheerleader"-esque girls attractive, not me, lol.

Modifié par Drakonnen, 19 novembre 2009 - 04:24 .

[Wretched Gnu]

Drakonnen wrote...

Wretched Gnu wrote...

The reason I participate here is that my daughters and my friends' daughters may read this forum, and I want them to know there's an argument.

Yeah, I have a daughter too.  Trying to make one mod to match the art over the original in game look is not a referendum on the looks of young women in general [...]

Hm, well, your lofty sentiments here are somewhat at odds with the sneering frat-boy theory you forwarded to explain why anybody might disagree with you on these issues...

Did you, like, date or marry a girl most people consider to be ugly, but you think is unconventionally pretty or something?  Or did a conventionally pretty girl of the sort you're railing against once sporun your affections?  It would explain a lot is all I'm saying.

It's no more or less than one would expect ... but let's not pretend your core sensibility is anything other than what you've proven it to be.

You're like the sort of guy who, if you put two girls in front of them, would refuse to make a choice as to which you thought was better looking, or claim that to be politically correct while secretly making one, and then spout some nonsense about how all women are equally beautiful, when no one truly believes that.

This is utterly telling, but for reasons I don't think I can make you perceive.  Let's just say I'd like my daughters to know that there is a mindset out there that might look askance at this scenario, where two "girls" have been "put" before the all-important judgment of the "guy", like two cows at a cattle show.  I want them to know there is a perspective that might not consider this scenario and the subsequent decree about their looks to be an important salvo against a purported "political correctness" -- i.e., a world of other priorities, a whole different imagination and frame of reference.

Modifié par Wretched Gnu, 19 novembre 2009 - 06:34 .

[Tanant]

For people who don't appreciate this mod, feel free to play the game as it is.



I, for one, am looking forward to Leliana's new look. (Hope you finish your work soon Drakonnen

[Drakonnen]

Wretched Gnu, the point of that scenario wasn't to actually invoke or promote some scenario of a guy judging two women like that, it was to make a point that if you put two of anything in front of someone, whether it be two women in front of a guy, two guys in front of a girl, or even artwork, people might appreciate both, but it is natural for people to prefer one over the other. To suggest otherwise is simply disingenuous.

And if you're so concerned about the "frat-boy" mentality, I see you're ducking the fact that you were denigrating women of a certain type and look, weren't you? So for all -your- loftiness, you're nothing but a hypocrite. And by the way, that wasn't directed at anyone who disagreed with me, just you in particular because your delusions about the issue and the fact that you were simply making stuff up, had to stem from somewhere, lol.

People's tastes will vary, people make choices in what they prefer, and while societies do in general form some sort of consensus majority opinion on common tastes, it will still change based on the single person. This mod has nothing to do with your daughters or their looks. But if you're concerned about such and the perception of same, feel free to write Disney, Seventeen magazine and everyone else you've ****ed about in whining about these societal stereotypes of beauty you're so worried about, lol.

Modifié par Drakonnen, 19 novembre 2009 - 07:51 .

[Blessed Silence]

Nice work, though original will always be the best.



She LOOKS Chasind .. barbarian, from the wilds ... you modernized her!



*wails*

[Drakonnen]

Blessed Silence wrote...

Nice work, though original will always be the best.

She LOOKS Chasind .. barbarian, from the wilds ... you modernized her!

*wails*

Modernized her?  lol.  I don't get that at all.  I changed the eyes and face length a bit, really.

She was barbarian and wild with her rouge eye shadow and lipstic, and now with the bluish purple she's totaly 21st century! 

[Drakonnen]

Okay, I think I've finished Leliana and will put her up tomorrow night.



I also did a version 3.0 of Morrigan. Since I did most of the in game viewing of her in her hut when modding her and was going off mainly of how she looked in one shot of one cut scene, the light through the results were skewed a bit.



After working with Leliana for days I got a better facial understating of everything and applied that to Morrigan, fixing certain facial ratios and such, and making her make up a little more subtle as in the artwork rather than ultra-whorish birhgt blue and purple when you walk outside.