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[wrexfan32hanalei]

I don't mean cause of his funny comments and stuff, I mean isn't there a physical to take before you're allowed in the military in the future? cause you still gotta pass pt to be a pilot, I know Joker ain't doin no push-ups or runnin a mile in under 8 minutes with his brittle bones. are there also 600lb pilots that we haven't seen yet?

[Pwener2313]

They took pity on him. But wouldn't you hire a guy who beats the instructors in the academy?

Also, here's a 1000lb a pilot for you....

[Kakistos_]

He looks like a Brood Mother ^ . There are many people in the Military that have important supportive roles outside of combat. Joker is one of them.

[J. Finley]

Pilots never use their legs, and Joker is the best pilot in the damned galaxy. Not letting him fly just because he can't do something that isn't required for his job is foolish.

[DocGriffin]

Jayman1337 wrote...

Pilots never use their legs, and Joker is the best pilot in the damned galaxy. Not letting him fly just because he can't do something that isn't required for his job is foolish.

^^^^
Joker doesn't need strong bones to be a pilot, he just needs to sit in his chair and helm the Normandy.

Besides, we've seen in ME2 that he's at least capable of limping at a good pace.

[Pwener2313]

DocGriffin wrote...

Jayman1337 wrote...

Pilots never use their legs, and Joker is the best pilot in the damned galaxy. Not letting him fly just because he can't do something that isn't required for his job is foolish.

^^^^
Joker doesn't need strong bones to be a pilot, he just needs to sit in his chair and helm the Normandy.

Besides, we've seen in ME2 that he's at least capable of limping at a good pace.

Actually, Joker was enhanced by Cerberus. In ME1 he needed crutches.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

of course pilots use their legs! haven't you seen behind enemy lines? I know that's not typical for a pilot but they still have to be able to graduate survival school. regardless of how good a pilot he is, he would never've been accepted into the military in the first place. that's like if you were an amazing shot but had asthma, you wouldn't become a sniper, ever.

[AdmiralCheez]

Joker gets a free pass for being awesome.

[N7Armada]

Pretty much he was so awesome there was no way they could not let him in. And as for Vlack Hawk Down I dont think thats relevant in the ME universe. Could he be a liability yes but in a situation could his amazing abilities save hundreds yes. So they took a shot.

[InvincibleHero]

Hey as long as he can do the job I have no problem with it. He is one of the most capable pilots even if he is handicapped. Besides it makes the character much more memorable.

[Praetor Knight]

The Alliance operates in space, so why can't Joker serve on a ship in space if he is the best pilot available?

[LimeD]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

The Alliance operates in space, so why can't Joker serve on a ship in space if he is the best pilot available?

I think the idea the OP is trying to get across is that he shouldn't have been able to become the best pilot in the first place. There should have been no way he could pass a physical that would allow him to even start training to become a pilot. Don't get me wrong, I think joker is awesome as he is (even if he did technically cause your unfortunate first death at the start of ME2, but hey you were resurrected better than before so no complaints there!), but you have to suspend alot of belief to believe he would be able to reach where he was in a real life situation.

The fact of the matter is, even if he could fly a ship the major problem is that being a pilot is not just about being able to pilot the ship, you need to be ready for sortie at any given moment, ready to help evacuate the ship at any given moment (painful example of this at the beginning of Mass Effect 2), ready to help out your teammates even in ways that don't include flying the ship (painful example of this at the end of Mass Effect 2) and his disability however unfair it is, normally would prevent him from doing so effectively.

I read a very good point about this earlier, but I forgot who the poster was so I can't quite quote him, but his point summarizes the problem with Joker very well. "If Joker was taking a ****** in the bathroom and a red alert sounds, what the hell is he going to do?"

[InvaderErl]

Realistically it makes no sense. If the ship was taking damage and he was thrown about it could spell major disaster for the ship. I let it pass but its one of those thing about Mass Effect that you've got to sort of ignore. 

Modifié par InvaderErl, 11 mars 2011 - 07:21 .

[Praetor Knight]

Well I guess understanding how Joker could serve requires an understanding of his condition. He himself describes it as moderate to severe and according to current medical understanding. Joker might have type IV or V of the disease.

Here's some links on Joker's condition:
http://www.netdoctor...rittlebones.htm
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-brittle-bone-disease.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm....alth/PMH0002540
http://medical-dicti.../Vrolik disease

Also the wiki states he uses leg braces, so what he does in ME2 is plausible if he has type IV or V of the disease, which is considered severe today, so in ME's time it's plausible that what he does in ME2 is realistic without crutches. 

 http://masseffect.wi..._"Joker"_Moreau

[InvaderErl]

I don't think anyone's saying he can't fly the ship but he wouldn't be allowed to serve given how easily he could be badly injured and his general lack of mobility.

[Praetor Knight]

^ Which is why I provided some links on his condition. Joker did seem to pass physicals, and his lack of mobility is probably why he was grounded.

On the SR-1 He was a test pilot after all from what I remember so it's likely that he went straight to the Normandy after graduating.

So as an adult, pain and micro-fractures would seem the greatest hindrance for Joker.

from http://www.wisegeek....one-disease.htm

Type IV brittle bone disease is also characterized by poor quality collagen but tends to be a milder form. Bone breakage is common before adolescence, like in Type I. In fact the disease follows an almost identical course to Type I. The differentiation is that Type I is caused by insufficient collagen, while Type IV is caused by sufficient collagen of poor quality.

Type V and Type VI are used to describe the way the bones develop, and are both basically subsets of Type IV. Type V brittle bone disease usually causes the bones to resemble meshing or webs. These imperfections result in easier breakage. In Type VI brittle bone disease, the bones appear to be scaled.

from http://www.ncbi.nlm....lth/PMH0002540/

Type IV, or moderately severe OI, is similar to type I, although persons with type IV often need braces or crutches to walk. Life expectancy is normal or near normal.

from http://medical-dicti.../Vrolik disease

Type iv
OI Type IV falls between Type I and Type III in severity. Among the common features of Type IV are the following:

* bones fracture easily, with most fractures occurring before puberty
* stature is shorter than average
* sclera (whites of the eyes) are normal in color, appearing white or near-white
* bone deformity is mild to moderate
* scoliosis (curvature of the spine) is likely
* rib cage is barrel-shaped
* face is triangular in shape
* dentinogenesis imperfecta may occur, causing brittle teeth
* hearing loss is possible
* collagen is formed improperly

[Whereto]

I can see it as they eased the restrictions due to the operations in space where you are far less likely to be boarded(in which case you still need a pilot) and there is no jump into the ocean in space, so if you get hit in battle I dont believe there is much hope. Sure their are escape pods, but someone still needs to guide the ship(if its not in working condition you probably have no time)

Sure it doesnt make sense but at least i can dream

[DocGriffin]

Pwener2313 wrote...

DocGriffin wrote...

Jayman1337 wrote...

Pilots never use their legs, and Joker is the best pilot in the damned galaxy. Not letting him fly just because he can't do something that isn't required for his job is foolish.

^^^^
Joker doesn't need strong bones to be a pilot, he just needs to sit in his chair and helm the Normandy.

Besides, we've seen in ME2 that he's at least capable of limping at a good pace.

Actually, Joker was enhanced by Cerberus. In ME1 he needed crutches.

What? Exactly, so he was able to walk.... -.-

Point still valid, he doesn't need to walk to pilot a ship.

[Inquisitor Recon]

He is lucky there are no rudder pedals on that thing.

[DoctorCuddles]

Personally I dont care, Joker is awesome, that is reason enough for me =)

[Warlokki]

Read Starship Troopers (by Robert Heinlein). Anyone who wants to serve the state will be given the chance, even if they're mute, blind, deaf and crippled. Only way not to be eiglible for military service is not to understand the oath.
Or some such, i'm paraphrasing this heavily.
Of course it is the turians who are heavily modelled after Starship Troopers but i think the explanation works for the Systems Alliance.

[Ahglock]

Lawsuits kept lowering the reqs so everyone could get in. The Brittle Bones class v Alliance was a monumental step forward in civil rights.

[tbar67]

a lot of things with the military and mass effect are not all that accurate including joker because everybody in real life military (at least in the states) has to pass a pt test regularly wether anual or 6 months and if he has trouble walking then he definetely couldnt pass the running portion at least. Like Warlokki said though things can change in different movies and games etc. Other things to like me wonder why shepard has navy ranks as an officer even though he is supposedly a marine. Marines use the same rank structure as army and air force ie major instead of commander.

[Llama11]

This game is set in 2183/2185. The academy may have their own way of running physicals. Joker can't walk? Okay, well, he'll have to have a co-helmsman to help him navigate the ship should the red light blare and Joker's busy taking a ****** in the bathroom.

In ME1, it's implied that Kaidan helped him, since we see him navigating the ship along with Joker in the opening climax of the game.

In ME2, it's EDI.

Just because he can't walk right doesn't mean he's not capable.

[xJohnsen]

He was the best pilot on the whole Academy, and one of the best in the Galaxy...so why wouldn't they let him fly?