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[Ice Cold J]

Umm... pilots don't need to move anything but their arms and heads, mostly.
Ergo, Joker's a pilot.

[Wulfram]

xJohnsen wrote...

He was the best pilot on the whole Academy, and one of the best in the Galaxy...so why wouldn't they let him fly?

The question is how did he get into the academy to prove that he was the best

[Synobal]

All planes contend with G-forces and the such so flying them is physically stressful. How ever flying a spaceship like the Normandy is different, it has inertial dampers (or something to that effect) so that you can't actually feel a difference between moving and non-moving in gravitational environments. Simply put flying the Normandy is about skill and that's all it's no more stressful than playing Microsoft flight sim with a flight stick/yoke.

[Sinapus]

Waivers.

[tbar67]

I think the point people are making about the fact that he shouldnt be a military pilot is the fact that to get into the military you need to pass a bunch of physicals now a days just to get to an academy or basic training. When I first joined they almost didnt let me in be cause I walked kind of weird and they thought that might effect my performance in the long run BEFORE they even told me what job I would have. But considering this isnt real life and they aren't running things exactly the way we do now then they can switch it up. ^ and for waivers, thats for if you are already in and they realize something is wrong after you are signed up and in the military already.

[Code_R]

I think people are missing the point - nobody joins the military and just walks into pilot class. There are physical and mental aptitude tests to see who is suitable for the stresses of the work. And when they went through speed tests for emergency escapes or getting from the base to the ship in a life threatening situation, did Jeff just take the day off? There's no such thing as a chair only pilot.

[tbar67]

I know that no matter what job you have in the military everyone is told the same thing. You need to be "fit to fight" unless after joining you have some physical problems later that you had no control of then you get a waiver to do your job on station or limit what you are required TEMPORARILY, but if its a permanent disablity usualy they would be discharged with benefits. ^ Again though this isnt a game that depicts the military as accurately in real life as possible. Its a fantasy world taking place waaay into the future where god knows what the requirements will be then. I wouldnt realy complain to much about it, if we want real life then there are other games out there that do try to stay realistic.

[xJohnsen]

Wulfram wrote...

xJohnsen wrote...

He was the best pilot on the whole Academy, and one of the best in the Galaxy...so why wouldn't they let him fly?

The question is how did he get into the academy to prove that he was the best

Hmm...yes that is the question.

He probably got in because he doesn't need to use his feet or body that much. As we can see in the games; piloting the Normandy is nothing like piloting, lets say an F-16. Your body has to take a lot of beating to fly a fighter plane, while piloting a space ship all you have to do is basically sitt still in the seat. 

Modifié par xJohnsen, 11 mars 2011 - 07:35 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

If this was reality I doubt Joker would be in the military I mean they said I wasn't allowed to be a female sniper either but he may've just barely made it in when he first started training maybe he wasn't as bad as he is now and I'm not sure if you need to pass a physical exam or strength test on a regular basis even in the military now.

The only way I can see them letting him in if he was in bad shape anyhow during his training days was some type of act in the law forcing the military to take people that are basically a hazard to themselves. But he doesn't need to run on the ship, and he doesn't need to really to combat. It's just a matter of will the ship crash or get blown to pieces while he's on it or at least that would be the case if he was paired with anyone but shep.

[N7Armada]

Yea were basing our standards on today's modern military who knows what Alliance standards are. They have not been explored that other than the fact that if Joker's there they must have a way.

[wrexfan32hanalei]

I'm not complaining, joker's a pretty good character. I just think that it's silly that they made him a miltary pilot. I mean, in WW2 we were calling out all the stops, but have you ever heard of a B-52 pilot with polio?
p.s. starship troopers is my favorite sci-fi book and they did accept every volunteer, but the physically disabled wound up in post in atarctica or having medical experimants done on them.

[William Adama]

I wonder if the normandy has inertial dampeners? How could anybody withstand the g forces of turning at subluminal and superluminal velocities much less someone with brittle bone disease?

The military would NEVER allow someone like that into the military, cuz pilots DO fly with their feet... its called YAW. I'd never hire someone like that on my ship regardless of their academics or performance scores.

[The Spamming Troll]

id say joker got into the military and became one of the best pilots in the galaxy because its not the year 2011 anymore.

[packardbell]

Most likey there isn't much strain flying space ships.

Modifié par packardbell, 12 mars 2011 - 05:15 .

[ADLegend21]

Have you seen his test scores? Anderson did and he knew he had an awesome pilot, even if he does always sound pissed when he talks to him XD

[Nashiktal]

Maybe the volunteer rate was low during the time he joined? Anti-alliance sentiments seem to be raising.

[Praetor Knight]

And the Alliance is considered a sleeping giant if I remember from ME1, since so few humans serve as a percent of the population.

[lovgreno]

The real life armed forces are very big and diverse organisations. There are room for all kinds of people there. In fact, diversity is needed for efficenty and to make the military represent the majority of the people they are supposed to protect. No reason to assume it would be different in the ME world.

[tbar67]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id say joker got into the military and became one of the best pilots in the galaxy because its not the year 2011 anymore.

Exactly like me and many others have said, its obviously not viable for him to be in the military with the current military standards as of now. Again for the third or forth time (I cant remember at this point), it is possible considering this isnt current times nor is it the same world we live in. If different movies or games can basicaly make there own standards then why cant mass effect?

[Llama11]

Exactly. Joker wouldn't have been able to join the military if he did it today, but since this is 2185, the rules are out the window.

Maybe his disease didn't get worse until AFTER he joined, etc?

[Biotic_Warlock]

This thread uhhh.
Dissaproved of.

Joker in military... why should he not based on his condition?
Note: He is a pilot.

[FeralEwok]

Let me pull out my alliance handbook here and pull up PT test scores...oh wait that's right I dont have any sort of handbook for a fictional future miltary. Look even in today's army we have people who are in combat professions and still have waivers that excuse them from certain types of physical activities due to injuries. One of my sergeants had a waiver not to do the two mile run for his PT test...granted it didnt make me feel good knowing that if something was about to happen that he might be able to limp to cover but never the less in the current military there are people with certain handicaps that are being allowed to stay. Not sure what the policy is on admitting people in with said handicaps but we have soldiers, pilots as well, that are still in despite the loss of even their legs.

This is the future who knows what sort of programs they have or policies. Maybe political correctness is so crazy in the future that Joker could successfully sue the Alliance for not being allowed to enlist.

[95Headhunter]

The mistake I think a lot of people are making here is taking Joker's title of 'pilot' a little too literally.

In modern day air forces, a pilot's physical condition is extremely important because they're strapping single individuals into dangerous, expensive vehicles which place extreme stress on the pilots bodies. Not to mention what happens in the case of being shot down, as was mentioned.

But Joker isn't the single occupant of an expensive, dangerous fighter. He's not so much a pilot as he is a helmsman, where physical condition is nowhere near as important. I know that modern navies still probably wouldn't allow someone of Joker's condition in, but it's a lot more likely than him being a pilot, as most of you seem to think of them

Given the exact nature of his condition, and the job requirement of a helmsman in the ME universe, namely operating a large vessel, in space, with technology that limits the impact of any physica deficiences, and given Joker's prodigious talent, I can see an exception being made for him.

[tbar67]

Yeah, most people dont realize that being a pilot in the air force is probably the toughest job to be qualified for. Forget about just the physical standards, they told me in the very beginning of my physical when I joined the af that I couldnt because my depth perception sucked. There are a lot of tests they run you before they decide what jobs you are qualified for. You need to practicaly be geneticaly perfect like miranda to even qualify for it lol. I was a ground pounder in the af, not too many know you can do that in that branch.

[Vengeful Nature]

He grew up around ships when his parents were contractors for the Alliance. Personally, my guess is, he showed aptitude on simulators and then, later, civilian craft, so Alliance recruiters took an interest in him. Proving himself to be a very good pilot, Alliance recruiters decided they wanted him flying warships, so they circumvented the usual training programme and stuck him right in the flying bit, skipping the PT. He was a special case, because he's such a good pilot. Plus, his parents might have had some pull, as high-up Alliance associates.

That's how I imagine it, anyway. It's the only way that makes sense to me.

The biggest problem is, how would he manage under hi-G conditions? All pilots go through a lot of pull, and in space it would be worse because of the sheer oomph of some of those ships (anti-matter propulsion is one HELL of a kick). Maybe as long as he's braced enough it's not too bad, or he's not as bad a case as he claims.

Anyway, he's a kickass pilot, so they wanted him, is the short version.

tbar67 wrote...
I was a
ground pounder in the af, not too many know you can do that in that
branch.

Really? Do you mean ground pounder as in artillery? Where does that fit in? I ask out of curiosity, I'm not doubting you or anything.

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 12 mars 2011 - 07:26 .