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[Raycer X]

Ok, I just finished the quest where Hawke's mother is killed and I have to know, was there any way to have prevented that? I mean, I let the killer go free instead of killing him. If I had decided to kill him, would that have prevented the mother's death or is it one of those things where you can't avoid it?

[Raiil]

No, IIRC she will always die.

[LadyBri]

But that wasn't the killer - that killer was named Quentin, and the guy we met that we thought was the killer but was just some blood mage weirdo was Gascond DuPuis. I had thought that he would end up being the guy, as well, and I kicked myself for letting him go at first until we fought and I saw the different names...but it still sucks to see Mom go out like that

[UltiPup]

After losing Bethany, I was pretty devastated. Then suddenly my mother dies. I orphaned myself. Effing could have cried.

[Auresta]

UltiPup wrote...

After losing Bethany, I was pretty devastated. Then suddenly my mother dies. I orphaned myself. Effing could have cried.

This, and Carver is cold blooded towards you (at least he was to me)!

[LPPrince]

Carver became a sandwich for an Ogre, so I couldn't care less about him.

But losing Bethany was hard on me. I figured that was enough.

Once we lost Leandra, I thought the "losing family" bit became totally overused.

[Esbatty]

That was the most depressing scene by far. I felt horrible. Whatever the Cousland Origin made me feel in DAO multiplied by 10. UGH... even my sarcastic ass Hawke couldn't crackwise at that moment. Just... painful.

[Rinkusu]

Quite frankly i cannot understand why Leandra has to die, there's no reason for it except for the "darker" story, wich is simply dumb. There should have been a way to reach her before it happened. Just one of many plot dumbness in this game.

[ashez2ashes]

It would have been nice if there was actual choice in this storyline... Even if it was just for things to go worse.

Kirkwall is such a depressing place, I'm starting to think the whole place should just be leveled.

[ACdeakial]

Rinkusu wrote...

Quite frankly i cannot understand why Leandra has to die, there's no reason for it except for the "darker" story, wich is simply dumb. There should have been a way to reach her before it happened. Just one of many plot dumbness in this game.

I beleive Leandra's death was intended to provoke an emotional response from the player during act 3, I think the writers wanted you to see that and see what mages will do.
      Also, if my hearing is correct Orsino mentions Quentin before he transforms, This leads me to believe that the letter about a book on necromancy given to Quentin that allowed these events to occur was signed 'O', for Orsino, and thus he had a direct role in mothers death. After learning this I took great pleasure in watching Orsino get torn apart by Hawke. Again, and again and again.
  Her death was to give the player a reason to side against the mages, despite what Ander's does, because throughout origins and the first half of DA2 i was all for a 'free the mages' campaign, this kinda made me go 'Back to the circle you naughty naughty people'

Modifié par ACdeadpool731, 18 avril 2011 - 07:13 .

[Braindeer]

I...was actually kind of glad when Leandra died. I found her annoying, and she kept blaming me for Carver getting mashed by the ogre. Which seemed unreasonable, considering she didn't exactly leap to the rescue herself.

Plus, once she was gone, Anders moved in. So...bonus.

Modifié par Braindeer, 20 avril 2011 - 08:52 .

[Phoenix92254]

I thought it was incredibly sad death but I liked it from a story perspective, because it was so tragic and emotional.

[Volourn]

Nice touch. The fact that people are upset that the mother couldn't be saved shows that BIO made the right chocie as being able to save her would have been the easy way out.

I do think neither sibling should have been able to die at the start. In fact, it would have been better if both could make it through act 1 and end of act 1 one of then would had died to the warden's poisonif you took one or both with you to deep roads...

Modifié par Volourn, 22 avril 2011 - 05:10 .

[kreite]

Damn it, my Warden (and Sebastian) lost his family to a corrupt noble, my Hawke lost his family to an ogre and a necromancer, why bioware!

[Curry Noodles]

I'm glad they did it, they should have made you choose connor or his mother to die in the first dragon age too.

But it does seem a little out of place. I guess it's supposed to make you hate mages, but it could have just as easily been a normal nutcase with a knife. He's just a serial killer who uses magic, not an average mage. He doesn't even have a ridiculously large number of victims.

[EmperorSahlertz]

kreite wrote...

Damn it, my Warden (and Sebastian) lost his family to a corrupt noble, my Hawke lost his family to an ogre and a necromancer, why bioware!

Because they feed off of our tears.

[Rifneno]

Braindeer wrote...

I...was actually kind of glad when Leandra died. I found her annoying, and she kept blaming me for Carver getting mashed by the ogre. Which seemed unreasonable, considering she didn't exactly leap to the rescue herself.

Plus, once she was gone, Anders moved in. So...bonus.

She only did it that once, in the heat of the moment.  If you confront her about it later in Act I at Gamlen's house (it's the humor option oddly enough) she looks ashamed for a moment then apologizes and says she never really meant it, she was just devestated at losing one of her children.

Curry Noodles wrote...

I'm glad they did it, they should have made you choose connor or his mother to die in the first dragon age too.

But it does seem a little out of place. I guess it's supposed to make you hate mages, but it could have just as easily been a normal nutcase with a knife. He's just a serial killer who uses magic, not an average mage. He doesn't even have a ridiculously large number of victims.

You'd be surprised how many people fell for it though and went all "kill all mages for the act of this one nutjob!" afterwards.

Choosing Connor or his mother was at least a choice though.  Here there is no choice.  Kind of the theme of the game.  That's why the debug scripts refer to it as "Dragon Age: Exodus", because the choices all got together and fled Thedas.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Curry Noodles wrote...

I'm glad they did it, they should have made you choose connor or his mother to die in the first dragon age too.

But it does seem a little out of place. I guess it's supposed to make you hate mages, but it could have just as easily been a normal nutcase with a knife. He's just a serial killer who uses magic, not an average mage. He doesn't even have a ridiculously large number of victims.

A normal nutcase with a knife would not desecrate her corpse the same way.

[theangryllama]

ACdeadpool731 wrote...

Rinkusu wrote...

Quite frankly i cannot understand why Leandra has to die, there's no reason for it except for the "darker" story, wich is simply dumb. There should have been a way to reach her before it happened. Just one of many plot dumbness in this game.

I beleive Leandra's death was intended to provoke an emotional response from the player during act 3, I think the writers wanted you to see that and see what mages will do.
      Also, if my hearing is correct Orsino mentions Quentin before he transforms, This leads me to believe that the letter about a book on necromancy given to Quentin that allowed these events to occur was signed 'O', for Orsino, and thus he had a direct role in mothers death. After learning this I took great pleasure in watching Orsino get torn apart by Hawke. Again, and again and again.
  Her death was to give the player a reason to side against the mages, despite what Ander's does, because throughout origins and the first half of DA2 i was all for a 'free the mages' campaign, this kinda made me go 'Back to the circle you naughty naughty people'

Yeah he slightly mentions it if you side with the mages, if you side with the templars and especially if bethany joins the circle it goes a lot more into the fact that he supported quentins research because he found it interesting and thought it was just research. He didnt realise he was going out killing people though.

On the topic though they have said that there was originally a way to save her however they found that the death scene had much more effect from it yet would never be seen by those who would see it as the 'wrong' choice and start over and so they removed the option to save her.

[Rifneno]

theangryllama wrote...

Yeah he slightly mentions it if you side with the mages, if you side with the templars and especially if bethany joins the circle it goes a lot more into the fact that he supported quentins research because he found it interesting and thought it was just research. He didnt realise he was going out killing people though.

On the topic though they have said that there was originally a way to save her however they found that the death scene had much more effect from it yet would never be seen by those who would see it as the 'wrong' choice and start over and so they removed the option to save her.

Speaking of which, does anyone have a transcript or youtube of the various dialogue options/responses of Orsino about Quentin?  I just can't stand going through the templar ending, but am curious what Orsino has to say when questioned about it.  Not that anything he says can be completely trusted...   tried searching youtube, but 90% of the Orsino videos are harvester battle videos and the other 10% are lol's at him wanting to see FemHawke dance naked.

[EmperorSahlertz]

He doesn't really say much. Just that the irony was he had never practised Blood Magic until now, and that Quntin's research was facinating. Then he pretty much goes "RAAARGH Harvester!" again.

Here is the full Templar ending:

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 22 avril 2011 - 01:20 .

[Braindeer]

Rifneno wrote...


She only did it that once, in the heat of the moment.  If you confront her about it later in Act I at Gamlen's house (it's the humor option oddly enough) she looks ashamed for a moment then apologizes and says she never really meant it, she was just devestated at losing one of her children.

True. But my Hawke holds grudges.

[Big I]

Raycer X wrote...

Ok, I just finished the quest where Hawke's mother is killed and I have to know, was there any way to have prevented that? I mean, I let the killer go free instead of killing him. If I had decided to kill him, would that have prevented the mother's death or is it one of those things where you can't avoid it?

I read a dev post by David Gaider a while back that in the original version of the quest it was possible to save her if Gascard was alive. They took it out during development because:

1) They didn't want to write an "everyone wins" scenario again after Redcliffe (using the Circle to confront the demon in the Fade)

2) They found play testers when they reached that point, if they didn't have Gascard alive, would go back and redo everything all over again; quest results where Leandra dies were seen as "losing"

3) They wanted to have Hawke personally affected by mages

4) They thought her dieing was more dramatic than her surviving.

[Icy Magebane]

Every one of those is a bad reason IMO.

[Aggie Punbot]

LookingGlass93 wrote...


I read a dev post by David Gaider a while back that in the original version of the quest it was possible to save her if Gascard was alive. They took it out during development because:

1) They didn't want to write an "everyone wins" scenario again after Redcliffe (using the Circle to confront the demon in the Fade)

2) They found play testers when they reached that point, if they didn't have Gascard alive, would go back and redo everything all over again; quest results where Leandra dies were seen as "losing"

3) They wanted to have Hawke personally affected by mages

4) They thought her dieing was more dramatic than her surviving.

Oh FFS. So because some people are unable to role play their characters, everyone else has to get a crappy ending to that quest. Greeeat. Thanks a lot, jerks.