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[AK24]

Garak2 wrote...

Yeah speaking of the music, I still launch DAO and let the splash stay up because it plays that awesome intro song. Not true with DA2, in fact you really don't hear much music while playing DA2.

Agreed

[Ilikered]

I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable in such issues, but what exactly could they do about it?

As individuals, admittedly not much, short of leaving there companies. I'm pretty idealistic, but I understand that that isn't realistic for a lot of people who have families to support etc.

But I'm not judging them as individuals. I'm judging them as a company, a development studio, and if the studio allowed themselves to be bought out and used to churn out half assed sequels like they were working on the latest COD games, then there internal corporate culture was already half sold-out and creatively bereft to begin with.

[mordarwarlock]

careful or all of you will be banned and locked out of your games for talking about bad about EA and Bioware

heck, pretty sure Inon zur will get fired pretty soon

[Garak2]

Mercfh wrote...

Dansayshi wrote...

Lets just hope the witcher 2 and Elder scrolls 6 prove to be decent.

man plz dont jinx it, i really want ES:VI to be good.......and after the recent trend in gaming titles coming out....im extremely wary

Well, maybe you should put your hopes towards ES: V first.

[Ilikered]

mordarwarlock wrote...

careful or all of you will be banned and locked out of your games for talking about bad about EA and Bioware

heck, pretty sure Inon zur will get fired pretty soon

Theres a reason none of us have games attached to these accounts, and it isn't because we're pirates

[thegoldfinch]

mordarwarlock wrote...

careful or all of you will be banned and locked out of your games for talking about bad about EA and Bioware

heck, pretty sure Inon zur will get fired pretty soon

You are paranoid.

And I loved the music in DA2. Sorry some of you didn't appear to enjoy it, but I also recall lots of the exact same complaints for DA:O. The Qunari music and the Hawke theme were beautiful.

[Goofy McCoy]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Goofy McCoy wrote...

I'd be wary of posting things of this nature, it's come up recently that attempts to paint EA in a negative light may be grounds for blocking not just posting privileges here on the forum, but general use of purchased products as well.

Extrapolation on what those grounds are exactly did not come up before the "end of line", so proceed with caution.

Grow up.

What a charming contribution to this thread, please do not hesitate to grace us with more of your wry wit.

On topic, I am disappointed that Inon was not satisfied with his contribution to DA2. His work on the previous game was one of Origin's highlights, as Soundtracks in Bioware games tend to be.

[Ischkwezrn]

Inon Zur is pretty much a god among composers in the game business.. I'm pretty happy with this score

[slimgrin]

Inon Zur didn't get the memo. 


Extremely bad PR for both EA and Bioware, bad music or no. This was the rap on EA to begin with. They've changed their ways my ass.

Modifié par slimgrin, 11 mars 2011 - 04:16 .

[mesmerizedish]

Goofy McCoy wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Goofy McCoy wrote...

I'd be wary of posting things of this nature, it's come up recently that attempts to paint EA in a negative light may be grounds for blocking not just posting privileges here on the forum, but general use of purchased products as well.

Extrapolation on what those grounds are exactly did not come up before the "end of line", so proceed with caution.

Grow up.

What a charming contribution to this thread, please do not hesitate to grace us with more of your wry wit.

I'll elaborate.

Grow up, irrational fearmonger.

Better?

[Perfect-Kenshin]

With or without this evidence, we all knew it was rushed. Us "doomsayers" had been saying it for months about the game. And when we finally play the game, it just becomes all the more obvious with repeat environments, a weak plot and weak companions.

[upsettingshorts]

I must have a different version. The one with a fun plot that reacted to the choices of a protagonist that was more than a game mechanic, a plot that didn't rely on the crutch of the big bad, and had all the interesting and self-motivated companions in it.

Mine came with the recycled environments, though. Maybe I should call tech support.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 mars 2011 - 04:19 .

[ExtinctRPG]

In Dragon Age 3 the end boss should be EA CEO John Riccitiello.

[casedawgz]

Anathemic wrote...

I think a "Told you so" is in order

In all seriousness, sympathizers need to open their eyes

...even if they like the game better than its predecessor?

[Melness]

Ilikered wrote...

I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable in such issues, but what exactly could they do about it?

As individuals, admittedly not much, short of leaving there companies. I'm pretty idealistic, but I understand that that isn't realistic for a lot of people who have families to support etc.

But I'm not judging them as individuals. I'm judging them as a company, a development studio, and if the studio allowed themselves to be bought out and used to churn out half assed sequels like they were working on the latest COD games, then there internal corporate culture was already half sold-out and creatively bereft to begin with.

But if they weren't their own bosses to begin with, what exactly can they do? As you said, those close to the development of games could only leave the company and that wasn't a realistic option for most of them. The higher ups possibly couldn't care less. I believe its all tad too big to easily put a label on, especially with so little actual information.

Anyways, you can always hope that this 'incident' will be remedied by less executive meddling in the future.

If Dragon Age 2 is a bad game, its because of the small development cycle and not because of most 'RPG core mechanics blasphemies'. And I think that, if anything, BioWare still did very well with the short deadline.

[AngelicMachinery]

Inon may not be back for Dragon Age 3.

[Garak2]

You know Bioware likely isn't happy with the finished product but when the boss sets a deadline.....

[Goofy McCoy]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Goofy McCoy wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Goofy McCoy wrote...
<Snip>

Grow up.

What a charming contribution to this thread, please do not hesitate to grace us with more of your wry wit.

I'll elaborate.

Grow up, irrational fearmonger.

Better?

If more is better, than you might be able to argue the case...

As it stands, you are still spamming and making rather childish attacks on my character. If I worked for EA, this may very well have been grounds for action against your account.

Fortunately for you, I'm much more generous when it comes to such things. Feel free to scurry back from whence you came this time.

[thegoldfinch]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I must have a different version. The one with a fun plot that reacted to the choices of a protagonist that was more than a game mechanic, a plot that didn't rely on the crutch of the big bad, and had all the interesting and self-motivated companions in it.

Mine came with the recycled environments, though. Maybe I should call tech support.

In the game I got, I legitimately squee'd and danced in my chair, and more than once, for the first time since I was but a wee little chubling.

The stale taste of a repetitive first act was a little offputting, though.

Modifié par pixieface, 11 mars 2011 - 04:27 .

[mesmerizedish]

Goofy McCoy wrote...

If more is better, than you might be able to argue the case...

As it stands, you are still spamming and making rather childish attacks on my character. If I worked for EA, this may very well have been grounds for action against your account.

Fortunately for you, I'm much more generous when it comes to such things. Feel free to scurry back from whence you came this time.

Calling you an irrational fearmonger is not childish. I think it's an apt description, since you've come into a thread and said that anyone who says anything bad about BioWare/EA will have their gameplay rights taken away from them. That's so far from the truth as to make calling it irrational fearmongering very accurate. That you're reasonably well-spoken just makes it worse. I might even call you a demagogue.

[Hellosanta]

Garak2 wrote...

You know Bioware likely isn't happy with the finished product but when the boss sets a deadline.....

I have to wrap my essay up if the professor says "time to hand in". Deadline always makes things worse than what they can be. 

Modifié par Hellosanta, 11 mars 2011 - 04:32 .

[Ilikered]

Melness wrote...

Ilikered wrote...

I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable in such issues, but what exactly could they do about it?

As individuals, admittedly not much, short of leaving there companies. I'm pretty idealistic, but I understand that that isn't realistic for a lot of people who have families to support etc.

But I'm not judging them as individuals. I'm judging them as a company, a development studio, and if the studio allowed themselves to be bought out and used to churn out half assed sequels like they were working on the latest COD games, then there internal corporate culture was already half sold-out and creatively bereft to begin with.

But if they weren't their own bosses to begin with, what exactly can they do? As you said, those close to the development of games could only leave the company and that wasn't a realistic option for most of them. The higher ups possibly couldn't care less. I believe its all tad too big to easily put a label on, especially with so little actual information.

Anyways, you can always hope that this 'incident' will be remedied by less executive meddling in the future.

If Dragon Age 2 is a bad game, its because of the small development cycle and not because of most 'RPG core mechanics blasphemies'. And I think that, if anything, BioWare still did very well with the short deadline.

I am saying that if an individual within Bioware isn't complicit, he can't really be faulted, he can't do much. However I am saying that because Bioware did "sell out" to EA, it means that as a company they had already begun to "suck". I mean think about it. What state were in when the deal was probably negotiated.

They hadn't made a single decent thing since KoToR before the EA merger. Jade Empire was universally critisized as being a meh game, not to mentioned consolized and dumbed down, in the exact same way they are doing now. Financially, they must have been in a tough position, and it was already five years after KoTor and NWN.

And yeah, EA bought them up. They got they funding they needed to finish up two titles they had been previously working on, but it isn't like they were a company full of innovation and creative success beforehand, they had just launched a game which had terrible financial performance, for reasons more or less related to them altoghether abbandoning there core audience.

And hey, oh look, there doing it again. You know, I know the saying among marketers that you can never underestimate the intelligence of your target audience, but honestly, something makes me feel like DA2 isn't gonna sell that well.

Think too many people look at Bioware through rose tinted glasses nowadays. KoToR was 2003 folks. There was "Old Bioware" and "EA sellout Bioware" and Bioware making absolute **** games from 2003-2008 like ****ing sonic chronicles.

Modifié par Ilikered, 11 mars 2011 - 04:42 .

[Paraxial]

mordarwarlock wrote...

careful or all of you will be banned and locked out of your games for talking about bad about EA and Bioware

heck, pretty sure Inon zur will get fired pretty soon

Differing opinions?

IN OUR FORUMS?!

Edit - Game was still damn good for being "rushed".

Modifié par Bible Doctor, 11 mars 2011 - 05:09 .

[mesmerizedish]

Ilikered wrote...

They hadn't made a single decent thing since KoToR. Jade Empire was universally critisized as being a meh game, not to mentioned consolized and dumbed down, in the exact same way they are doing now. Financially, they must have been in a tough position, and it was already five years after KoTor and NWN.

I haven't played Jade Empire, but I think the vast majority of BioWare's audience would disagree with this paragraph. Don't bring Neverwinter Nights up, it sucked. KotOR was good, but not great. But Origins was the best thing since Shadows of Amn. Then ME2 was the best thing since Shadows of Amn. Now DAII is the best thing since Shadows of Amn. The post-BG lull that I admit was there is gone.

[Gaiseric82]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned the tidbit about Inon opting for a 'string quartet' over an orchestra.

Talk about seriously cutting back on the music budget.