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[Yamsandjams]

Most games end up being rushed. That's why they have what's known as "crunch time" in the gaming world, where devs are working around the clock weeks before deadlines to get stuff done. Developer-publisher relationships has been an ongoing problem in the industry.

But yeah, if a game is ever rushed, it's almost always going to be the publishers decisions that caused that to happen. Developers usually try to negotiate for more time, but publishers want to conform to particular deadlines. It all comes down to business in the end. The publisher is much more detached from the actual product that the developer is, so it's seen as more of a business item. They invest the money and they need to minimize the risk on their return, which means having it by a predictable date. Otherwise it could hurt the publisher financially.

Of course, the answer isn't always just to allot more time. It's a complex problem involving precarious balances. But if a game ever looks rushed, it's usually by the decision of the publisher, not the developer.

And I don't think EA is as bad as Activision... not yet, at least.

[PhrosniteAgainROFL]

18 months for game like Uncharted and such is perfect but it's not enough for RPGs, especially a Bioware RPG which is 10 Uncharted in one.

[Clammo]

Gee, I'm shocked. Nobody saw this coming.... There've been signs long before release that this was a blatant hatchet job cash-grab, and post-release it's obvious, as the quality is very sub-standard and mediocre. The only real surprise is someone affiliated with it having the honesty to admit it, so kudos to Mr Zur.

[pezit]

The reason they rush games is because it gets them more money, you vote with your wallet, it's the same with all the DLC.

[wijse]

Well i am going to boycott the dlc and expansions

[Lux]

Brumbek wrote...

I wish BioWare would be more honest with its fans like Zur was. Just admit you rushed it out because EA executives wanted you to. Maybe that would make the EA executives not push you around so much.

They could never admit that EA borked up game quality to maximize profit.

It seems obvious that they were in a lot of pressure to get this done. Considering how stable the initial release has been (at least for me) it's a wonder what the devs were able to pull off. Unfortunately, that wasn't enough to make a great game.

[Seitur]

Less time for develpment = lower development cost.
More resued dungons = lower development cost
More fighting of ridiculous amount of mobs in game as a filler and ridiculous amount of fights in general = lower developemnt cost
Less dialog options = lower development cost
More linear gamplay = lower development cost
etc, etc

Game was rushed to get quicker return on investment that's sure and even logical from investro point of view. But game is bad also becasue of fundamental decisions about what's game really is and that was done to lower costs not(only) becasue of broading audience. Remember more "hardcore" DA:O sold more units than more "casual" ME2.
ME2 was cheaper to produce thou.



SW: Old Republic costs alot as one of most expensive game to develop in history , something has to make money before it comes out. DA2 is one of this thing.

Modifié par Seitur, 11 mars 2011 - 10:12 .

[Babli]

Well that was obvious from day when we have seen first pictures of game. At least its official now.

[Vpsycho]

I heard that Swtor producers doesnt happy about current progress.
and They sad this game wont be good. I hope they are wrong...

[TheLastAwakening]

Yep, I knew it but, I'm still supporting Bioware when it comes time for DA 3. DA 2 is not that bad but it needs work. The good thing though: I'm only guessing but it would appear that most of the infrastructures are in place for making DA 3 or DA:O 3 epic.

It took DA:O something like 5 years to make iirc and DA 2  (rounding up) 2 years, not bad at all but I still want my Arcane warrior *cough* minus the patch *cough*

[this isnt my name]

I hope they dont ban him.

(I love zurs music, its great)

[iinfinity]

just reading this thread is making me lose excitement for the game. i still have it sealed, but considering whjat all of you keep saying, i may take it back now

[Ieldra]

Yeah, I've always felt that DA2 is rushed because someone wanted to get it out of the way, in order to make Bioware focus more on the next Multiplayer title.

I have a mixed opinion of DA2 itself, but it feels as if this is the end of epic single-player RPGs. I've seen this coming for some time, going through disappointment and annoyance, but now I'm just resigned. It seems the time for games I like to play is passing. I'll get ME3, but after that all bets are off. Possibly I'll be playing much less in the coming years. Perhaps I'll get to read more books because of that, which would be a good side effect.

[Twaddlefish]

iinfinity wrote...

just reading this thread is making me lose excitement for the game. i still have it sealed, but considering whjat all of you keep saying, i may take it back now

Don't do it. Play it, man. I've not got mine yet but I have faith. Bear in mind, Bioware have NEVER made a bad game, some have just been less excellent than others.

[contextual_entity]

Mercfh wrote...

Dansayshi wrote...

Lets just hope the witcher 2 and Elder scrolls 6 prove to be decent.

man plz dont jinx it, i really want ES:VI to be good.......and after the recent trend in gaming titles coming out....im extremely wary

Wait when was ES:V, did I miss something here?!

[vantick]

At least the confirmation is nice. Oh the game DAII could've and should've been. I would've waited years more for them to perfect the game and turn it into the best that it could be.

[ninnisinni97]

I must admit I haven't played DA2 yet, (trying to finish my "ultimate" Origins save first... ) but i listened to the soundtrack at least since I have the SigEd. And I have to say that I think Inon Zur has done a marvelous job with the music once again, especially considering he actually had less time to work with it thins time around.
That's my two cents.

[blowoutware]

this game just screams incompetence. There is absolutley nothing in here that even justifies the ammount of time making this, the world is painfully empty, short campaign with fetch quests and repetitive dungeon spelunking of the same exact locations over and over.

This game feels like a junior dev was given it.

[didymos1120]

RohanD wrote...
Riiiight, bugs in the score? Come on, man, try harder would you? 

Seriously...

Yeah, really.  You don't think they have to do a bunch of programming specifically for the music?  Have you never noticed music bugs in games?  I can point one out in DA:O:  in Orzammar, when you go into the Hall of Heroes, sometimes the Orzammar theme will be doubled, and the two will be out of sync.  A similar "doubling" bug exists with ME's galaxy map.  Then there are the times in uncountable games where cues won't play on, well, cue.  So yeah: the score CAN have bugs, unless you're gonna insist on being drearily and overly literal and act like it means there's bugs in the actual sheet music or whatever (though even that's possible if you consider stuff like printing errors as a sort of "bug", though I imagine that sort of thing is a lot easier to catch). 

Now, did Zur really mean that?  I don't know. Seems reasonable, given game music is his thing, but without asking the person who put that note in there or Zur himself, neither you nor I nor anyone else on this thread can actually say.  It's just fruitless speculation, and it's not like you need that Zur quote to confirm the existence of non-music bugs in the game, so, really, who cares what he actually meant?

Modifié par didymos1120, 11 mars 2011 - 12:34 .

[Meeporized]

aside from evertyhing we "heard" or "read" of...... all of us knew that when EA "took over" that there will be A LOT OF CHANGES even if we tried to ignore it. I personally hope all this convos about EA and BIOWARE will show some greedy ppl how WE (the ones who make them "rich") are reacting to something wich should'nt have happened.

I've respected Bioware since the start and still respect them for doing something not a lot of game Dev's could accomplish.

Edit1:
I also cant blame EA at all since their philosphy would be 1. Money  2. Game and for Bioware whos "child" is aTm Dragon Age 2 it would be 1. Game 2. Money.... so its obvious that i'd care first about the money and then the game since i pay them to get the game done.

Modifié par Meeporized, 11 mars 2011 - 01:08 .

[gecos]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I'm sure it was pushed out. If BioWare had another 6-8 months, we might have less recycled environments and better companion AI.

But you know what? It's still much better than Dragon Age: Origins.

That must be the good stuff you're havin' ...

[MassFrost]

At least someone was willing to admit it.. Then again, I'm never surprised when EA does something like this.

[Gerudan]

You feel it, while you're playing DA2. The reuse of maps, the lack of different item looks and icons and so on. I was afraid of this, when Bioware went to EA and I can just hope, that Bioware grows a pair and stands up to EA, so their franchises aren't wasted on cheap and rushed out games.

[Scorpgul]

Spam.
End Of Line.

ROFLMAO

[Morroian]

Gerudan wrote...

You feel it, while you're playing DA2. The reuse of maps, the lack of different item looks and icons and so on.

Except that DAO was exactly the same in that regard, how many complaints have therw been about all the armour looking similar. So far to me DA2 looks better in terms of the design of the various armours, robes and items.