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[Einmalkommentator]

BioWare got possessed by EA and turned into an abomination.

[ExtinctRPG]

Insom wrote...

DAO is pretty much the last game Bioware was making before the EA regime. I suppose ME2 might count too if they started after ME1. EA needs to give them more time on games, RPGs aren't something you can rush.

EA doesn't give a flying ****. They are shareholder **** ****s and represent everything wrong with the industry.

[Perfect-Kenshin]

wulfsturm wrote...

DA2 was in development even before DA:O was launched...

And yet DA2 still comes off a rushed product that wasn't even close to being ready for release. Lets see now. Bugs galore (some which have no business going beyond testing), repetitive side quest, overuse of the same maps, limited environments. Yep, a rushed game.

[ALVIG824]

Ilikered wrote...

You guys remember "Our Merge with EA will not affect the quality of our titles"

haha

HA! i call BS on that statement.

[Synobal]

Dragon age 2 isn't a bad game it just doesn't feel as polished as it should be. It feels like something Obsidian Entertainment worked on. Neverwinter Nights 2 and Fallout New Vegas were good games but they just weren't as polished as they should of been. A few more months in development and I'm certain we would of been a better game for it.

[Sword For Hire]

I think the rule of thumb is never to cave in to Preorder bonuses ever. Never base your decision on an incomplete demo that would cause you to preorder. Last but not least, never preorder or buy your products through a service such as eastore or steam and be bound by additional agreements.

All these bonus items, and advertisements/legends serve to spread interest in buying the game thus making money. I won't be preorder products again, that's for sure. Guess that loss of $60 thought me a valuable unfortunate lesson. Hopefully you learned something too

Modifié par Sword For Hire, 11 mars 2011 - 04:20 .

[Mercfh]

EA being a terrible company is no surprise.
I suggest you read : http://ea-spouse.liv...al.com/274.html
to get a little idea of how they treat their employees. (protip: it's not very good). I understand all game companies have rushes, but there was a HUGE lawsuit over this about 5-6 years ago, looks like EA still pulling the same ****. I have no doubt the Bioware workers had to work tirelessly, I actually feel sorry for them.

[Dirty Whore]

God, its like BioWare is being raped...publicly.

[jenovaproject]

So long as they learn, it will be okay.

Will they? Who knows. You won't get anything but lawyerspeak.

[snackrat]

sedeyus wrote...

I feel kinda weird posting this because I do think Dragon Age 2 was a good game. I'm not one of these people who hated DA2 because the main character speaks.
 

Daddy555 wrote...

stop blaming EA just cos you didnt like the game , bioware would have made the changes to da2 regardless

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....Anyways, adding my two cents, most of the changes had legitimate reasons outside th' old "time constrraints", yeah, but rushing games will invariably have detrimental effects.

[hoboman67]

DA2 was pretty good but I expected a lot more

[Ilikered]

Synobal wrote...

Dragon age 2 isn't a bad game it just doesn't feel as polished as it should be. It feels like something Obsidian Entertainment worked on. Neverwinter Nights 2 and Fallout New Vegas were good games but they just weren't as polished as they should of been. A few more months in development and I'm certain we would of been a better game for it.

It absolutely doesn't feel like something Obsidian would make. Sure, Obsidian games are rushed, and come out in a buggy state. But there story feels real and genuine (MoTB anyone?), none of it comes off as a half ass framework to sell more DLC, and despite there crazy rushed time frames, they've never tried to dumb the game down.

[AlanC9]

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...
And yet DA2 still comes off a rushed product that wasn't even close to being ready for release. Lets see now. Bugs galore (some which have no business going beyond testing), repetitive side quest, overuse of the same maps, limited environments. Yep, a rushed game.

No matter how ready they made the game for release it still would have had the repetitive sidequests and limited environments. You've got two issues --- a limited plan and apparently not enough time to even carry that plan out properly.

[DustArma]

jenovaproject wrote...

So long as they learn, it will be okay.

Will they? Who knows. You won't get anything but lawyerspeak.

Who, EA or Bioware? Because it seemed like EA was learning, see: Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Dead Space 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2, NFS Hot Pursuit, Crysis, Crysis Warhead.

All of those were good or great games, and all of those were done under EA's watch (with the exception of Crysis that was partially in development when they got Crytek)

[Dynelven]

"Blaming" is completely different than providing constructive criticism. Blaming will go nowhere. Constructive criticism will.

Just because some people think DA2 is a 'bad' game means nothing. Afterall, Bioware does not have the benefit of the entire communty view on the game before publishing it (without having a beta first, if they pay attention to feedback). I'm sure THEY don't think the game is lacking before sending it out. That's what QA people are for. If you want to provide any advice, you should direct it at them (QA'ers), or you should make a thread where people can air their issues with the game (without being insulting) and hope that it is seen by people who can make a real change.

Like you said, they can only learn if they are told, but saying "DA2 sucks" (not saying you did, but a lot of people are) does not help.

[ALVIG824]

btw has anyone heard if bioware is in fact working on a bug patch? that would be nice.

[Sword For Hire]

I remember when I bought windows xp home retail version $200 @bestbuy back in the day. I could have saved $150, that mistake of not buying windows xp oem is right up there with buying DA2. I work hard for my money I could have got Shogun2 Total War and I can't afford another game for a while now, its going to eat at me for a long time.

[joriandrake]

DustArma wrote...

jenovaproject wrote...

So long as they learn, it will be okay.

Will they? Who knows. You won't get anything but lawyerspeak.

Who, EA or Bioware? Because it seemed like EA was learning, see: Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Dead Space 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2, NFS Hot Pursuit, Crysis, Crysis Warhead.

All of those were good or great games, and all of those were done under EA's watch (with the exception of Crysis that was partially in development when they got Crytek)

all of those were shooters or racing games, not RPG-s

[Dragoonlordz]

ALVIG824 wrote...

btw has anyone heard if bioware is in fact working on a bug patch? that would be nice.

Yes they are

http://social.biowar...1/index/6436192

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 04:30 .

[DustArma]

joriandrake wrote...

DustArma wrote...

jenovaproject wrote...

So long as they learn, it will be okay.

Will they? Who knows. You won't get anything but lawyerspeak.

Who, EA or Bioware? Because it seemed like EA was learning, see: Mirror's Edge, Dead Space, Dead Space 2, Battlefield Bad Company 2, NFS Hot Pursuit, Crysis, Crysis Warhead.

All of those were good or great games, and all of those were done under EA's watch (with the exception of Crysis that was partially in development when they got Crytek)

all of those were shooters or racing games, not RPG-s

Mirror's Edge was a First Person Parkour game (or FP Platformer) with light combat (most of it done hand to hand), and Dead Space was a survival-horror-ish game, both of those were brand new IPs, something that EA hadn't done in years.

Why should the genre matter? I'm only stating that EA was better, or that it looked like they were, because of games like I mentioned.

I'm not defending them though, I'm honestly even more baffled than you guys by this whole situation .

Modifié par DustArma, 11 mars 2011 - 04:31 .

[ALVIG824]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ALVIG824 wrote...

btw has anyone heard if bioware is in fact working on a bug patch? that would be nice.

Yes they are

http://social.biowar...1/index/6436192

thank the Maker for that
(and the thank you for teh link)

[Avl521]

Dynelven wrote...

"Blaming" is completely different than providing constructive criticism. Blaming will go nowhere. Constructive criticism will.

Just because some people think DA2 is a 'bad' game means nothing. Afterall, Bioware does not have the benefit of the entire communty view on the game before publishing it (without having a beta first, if they pay attention to feedback). I'm sure THEY don't think the game is lacking before sending it out. That's what QA people are for. If you want to provide any advice, you should direct it at them (QA'ers), or you should make a thread where people can air their issues with the game (without being insulting) and hope that it is seen by people who can make a real change.

Like you said, they can only learn if they are told, but saying "DA2 sucks" (not saying you did, but a lot of people are) does not help.

I agree with this.

[Bryy_Miller]

TheSuaveMongrel wrote...

EA are wolves in sheep's clothing. At least Activision don't directly deny being "evil".

It really makes me sad when people posting things like this. Yes, Activision and EA do some interesting things, but to actually equate the actions of video game companies as... evil? 

[Perfect-Kenshin]

AlanC9 wrote...

Perfect-Kenshin wrote...
And yet DA2 still comes off a rushed product that wasn't even close to being ready for release. Lets see now. Bugs galore (some which have no business going beyond testing), repetitive side quest, overuse of the same maps, limited environments. Yep, a rushed game.

No matter how ready they made the game for release it still would have had the repetitive sidequests and limited environments. You've got two issues --- a limited plan and apparently not enough time to even carry that plan out properly.

Not necessarily. Granted, some of the sidequest in DAO ultimately turned out to be nothing more than gold mining, there are still a plethora of memorable ones that truly make the experience high quality. As for limited environments, in DAO, there were always multiple ways of clearing out the Darkspawn in the Kokari Wilds alone. The Darkspawn were there and you can observe and plan how to take them out accordingly. In DA2, you're simply going from corridor to corridor, wiping out enemies who materialize out of thin air.

[Dynelven]

Sword For Hire wrote...

I think the rule of thumb is never to cave in to Preorder bonuses ever. Never base your decision on an incomplete demo that would cause you to preorder. Last but not least, never preorder or buy your products through a service such as eastore or steam and be bound by additional agreements.

All these bonus items, and advertisements/legends serve to spread interest in buying the game thus making money. I won't be preorder products again, that's for sure. Guess that loss of $60 thought me a valuable unfortunate lesson. Hopefully you learned something too

That's foolish advice. It's very possible to take back your pre-order and get your money back. I pre-ordered the Rift Collector's Edition from GameStop and, many days after it was released, I 'took it back' and got my money back with no questions asked. It was a simple return without ever actually purchasing the game. Even if you DID purchase it, most stores allow you to return it with a full refund as long as you don't open it.

Therefore, telling people not to pre-order at all is just wrong. If you are speaking only of the EA store or somewhere else where NOT buying the game and getting your money back from the pre-order I have no experience in that and if you are right I firstly apologize and secondly suggest you use an actual store because it IS possible from those. If you are speaking of buying it, opening it, playing it, not liking it, and being sad about wasting your money.... well, that happens, and it has nothing to do with pre-ordering.