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Bryy_Miller wrote...

TheSuaveMongrel wrote...

EA are wolves in sheep's clothing. At least Activision don't directly deny being "evil".


It really makes me sad when people posting things like this. Yes, Activision and EA do some interesting things, but to actually equate the actions of video game companies as... evil? 


Well, Activision is certainly walking down the same path EA walked 7 years ago.

They are not "evil", they are just waaay too bottom line oriented, more than neccessary to have a successful business.

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Both Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 have felt like really good expansion packs.


I believe ME2 to be a great game with mostly good changes. It's highly entertaining while it lasts, with great DLC. It turned out to be a superior gaming experience. If EA had a hand on that, then they did a good job, IMO.

DA2 is a mixed bag. It's entertaining, but lacking. A "cinematic experience" + a very specific deadline, turns out not to be a good thing if BW/EA has to cut down substantial corners in depth and variety.

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Corporation are amoral entities that exist to make a profit, you don't like them? Don't buy their product.

Gamer are some of the most whiny and self-righteous people on the net.

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Capitalism can suck my fat ****.

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EA has some very good games, you can't just go ahead and blame them for what seems to be a moneymaking, casual audience cattering attempt by BioWare.
They tried to do the same thing they did to ME2. Which was to streamline it, make it simpler.
The thing is maybe they went too far.

IF instead of trolling, flaming, and insulting, we post constructive criticism, BioWare will eventually read it and fix the things they did wrong.
Hopefully for DA3 we'll get everything that was good in DA:O with what was good in DA2.
Same with Mass Effect.

I for one would like my Hawke to be an Arishok Styled Qunari that I could create and customize.
But that won't happen so I'll be happy with my FemHawke.

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Gaiseric82 wrote...

Wasn't Mass Effect 2 already in production prior to EA purchasing Bioware?

Other than that, I generally agree with you. I don't think Bioware would've dared rush out an RPG in one year had it not been for EA's negative influence.



thats common its to ensure that both games flow together and dont vear off especially with me and me2 since they are directly connected as one main story. and yes ea is a big problem and best way to handle it is sighn a petition or right in sending in your concern. that way they may relize we arent addicted to crack and no longer care for quality 

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EA needs to have more of their studios adopt Blizzard's policy of releasing games when they are done. Not to say that DA2 is a poor game, but its obvious EA games could be so much better if they would simply devote more time to development to release some real blockbusters.

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Avl521 wrote...

EA has some very good games, you can't just go ahead and blame them for what seems to be a moneymaking, casual audience cattering attempt by BioWare.
They tried to do the same thing they did to ME2. Which was to streamline it, make it simpler.
The thing is maybe they went too far.

IF instead of trolling, flaming, and insulting, we post constructive criticism, BioWare will eventually read it and fix the things they did wrong.
Hopefully for DA3 we'll get everything that was good in DA:O with what was good in DA2.
Same with Mass Effect.

I for one would like my Hawke to be an Arishok Styled Qunari that I could create and customize.
But that won't happen so I'll be happy with my FemHawke.


Agreed, and not only because you agreed to my post :D

Like I said too, constructive criticism is best. No one in a position of authority is going to pay attention to flaming and insulting.

But as Avl added, EA/Bioware have made some great games.... why else are the ones complaining here in the first place? Also, again, he added, the games tend to get better with each installment. Sometimes they try to go a slightly different way and it turns out slightly worse, but who's to say this isn't based on customer's feedback (unless you work for them, you don't know). However, once they see what people do and do not like about the games, they combine the best of each. After all, that's what they are here for. If they are simply trying to make money (as some of you say), what better way to do so then to make better sequels?

Personally, I don't have an opinion on the whole of DA2, as I wasn't able to get a Signature Edition, and I don't plan to buy it until they 're-release' it. I was, however, slightly disappointed with the demo, but that won't stop me from buying the full game. As an added note, before you ask why Im in the DA2 forum if I don't own it yet, it's to observe people's opinions like I am here. I do see far too much flaming, blaming, and insulting though, and I don't think that does the customers any good really.

Atmosfear3 wrote...

EA needs to have more of their studios
adopt Blizzard's policy of releasing games when they are done. Not to
say that DA2 is a poor game, but its obvious EA games could be so much
better if they would simply devote more time to development to release
some real blockbusters.


But who tells them they are "done". Personally, I don't like many of Blizzard's games, so what you said is simply an opinion not a fact.

In order for the customer base to contribute, a beta needs to be made available and people nee to provide honest feedback. Failing that, our only recourse is to tell them what we do and do not like after the game is released, without being insulting or vulger, and hope they listen.

Modifié par Dynelven, 11 mars 2011 - 05:10 .


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Mercfh wrote...

EA being a terrible company is no surprise.
I suggest you read : http://ea-spouse.liv...al.com/274.html
to get a little idea of how they treat their employees. (protip: it's not very good). I understand all game companies have rushes, but there was a HUGE lawsuit over this about 5-6 years ago, looks like EA still pulling the same ****. I have no doubt the Bioware workers had to work tirelessly, I actually feel sorry for them.


Wow.  That is honestly horrifying.  I truly hope the people at Bioware didn't have to work under such brutal conditions as the woman claimed her husband did.

It was also rather sad reading this part in particular:

The EA Mambo, paired with other giants such as Vivendi, Sony, and
Microsoft, is rapidly either crushing or absorbing the vast majority of
the business in game development. A few standalone studios that made
their fortunes in previous eras -- Blizzard, Bioware, and Id come to
mind -- manage to still survive, but 2004 saw the collapse of dozens of
small game studios, no longer able to acquire contracts in the face of
rapid and massive consolidation of game publishing companies.



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WE should all pray nothing happens to Me3

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Changes aren't necessarily bad; they happen for reasons, and if Bioware was attempting to appeal to a "wider audience", I can understand that (even if I disagree - that's what Mass Effect is for, right? DA was supposed to be a callback to the olden days of RPGs, which is why I pre-ordered this game. But, that's a different story).

However, the blatant and inexcusable rushing that can be seen throughout the game is something that I can sincerely hope is EA's fault. I've always enjoyed Bioware games, but this one just disappointing. I'm really hoping, sometime soon, a dev company will grow a pair and tell EA that if they want customers to return they need to quit rushing games out.

EA has been getting better over the years, but this... Well, I was hopeful for a while, but now I'm wondering if all this "Oh, EA won't buy out companies and then rip customers off anymore" stuff is more lie than truth. I know one thing for sure; I'm not pre-ordering DA3, or probably ME3.

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Shifty Assassin wrote...

WE should all pray nothing happens to Me3


How long of a production time does ME3 have?

Modifié par Anathemic, 11 mars 2011 - 05:42 .


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Daddy555 wrote...

stop blaming EA just cos you didnt like the game , bioware would have made the changes to da2 regardless


And you know this because...?

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Einmalkommentator wrote...

BioWare got possessed by EA and turned into an abomination.


Noooooooooo! NOT MY FAVORITE DEVELOPER! CURSE YOU DEMONS!

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Correct me if I'm wrong but November 2009 to March 2011 is 16 months (December 2009-February 2011+3 weeks of November 2009 + 1 week of March 2011) not 8.

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Game companies are all after money, at the end of the day no matter how much some developers and writers might passionately love and enjoy making good games, they need to be in the black to keep going.

That said, there's absolutely different strategies to acquiring that money and different emphasis on how much money there needs to be and where it needs to go. Previously companies such as Bioware and Blizzard (when they had greater autonomy) clearly poured far more time, effort, and love into their games to ensure they were of novel and compelling quality. At the end of the day they turned a profit but it was admittedly not absurd and no greed was evident. Think back to Blizzard offering lifetime free internet play for SC and Diablo II.

Now they're both possessed by larger entities with a very singular focus on profits, they're businesses which exist purely to generate revenue, not to produce outstanding games. Truly amazing games occur more in spite of them than because of them. For all the claims of retained autonomy the evidence is clear in their work and their changed tactics (Blizzard's obscenely priced account services and bloody pets and Bioware's ridiculous DLC) that their focus has shifted to the quick big buck.

It makes me sad.

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I'ld say it's equally 1 part Bioware and 1 part EA. It takes team work to make something as soulless as DA2.

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You think with this many **** posts, Bioware would've taken note or so would have EA.
Do they really not care for anything besides their cash?

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SnakeSNMF wrote...

You think with this many **** posts, Bioware would've taken note or so would have EA.
Do they really not care for anything besides their cash?


From what I saw from other mod posts, they just want to believe that every negative post is just a troll from 4chan. Denile is not just a river in Egypt.

Modifié par ZacOfTheZombies, 11 mars 2011 - 06:08 .


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Just to add my 2 cents in...

So far, I LOVE the game. Though there is a very distinct, supremely rushed feel to some of it... such as how quick the beginning took, and how you just zipped past a couple years after finishing about an hour of questing that wasn't as developed as it could have been, a la the origin quests in Dragon Age 1.

Otherwise, Bioware, I honestly don't mind waiting longer for a new game to come out. If you spent years perfecting the third game, I would buy it just the same as if you spent 1 year. I suppose that doesn't help my case other than saying that as a fan, I am very loyal to the series you produce... and having a little more time for revision would be lovely.

Ahem, and since I don't want to bother posting this on another forum... I f*cking love Carver. Props to his writer. He is so adorable it makes me feel almost giddy.

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ZacOfTheZombies wrote...

SnakeSNMF wrote...

You think with this many **** posts, Bioware would've taken note or so would have EA.
Do they really not care for anything besides their cash?


From what I saw from other mod posts, they just want to believe that every negative post is just a troll from 4chan. Denile is not just a river in Egypt.


That's disapponting.
I don't think Bioware is used to this much fans whining over their game.

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Ilikered wrote...

I just starte
You guys remember "Our Merge with EA will not affect the quality of our titles"

haha


Its sad that Bioware didnt live up to that claim. DA2 really looks like the worst RPG they've ever made, and I'm glad I didnt buy it.

I want more strategic Isometric top down view RPG games, I suppose I'll have make do with Avadon the black fortress when it gets released on the PC later this year.

Modifié par Bhav, 11 mars 2011 - 06:17 .


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Mercfh wrote...

EA being a terrible company is no surprise.
I suggest you read : http://ea-spouse.liv...al.com/274.html
to get a little idea of how they treat their employees. (protip: it's not very good). I understand all game companies have rushes, but there was a HUGE lawsuit over this about 5-6 years ago, looks like EA still pulling the same ****. I have no doubt the Bioware workers had to work tirelessly, I actually feel sorry for them.


Wow I really hope that no one at BioWare has to go through that. And I agree with this thread. When I first heard that EA had bought BioWare, an uneasy feeling stirred within me. I could practically forsee the quality of their next games dip. Unfourtunately I was right, but this wasn't unexpected. I wish BioWare had remained independent. Now they've changed, and for the worse.

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I'm buying ME3 because I want to see the conclusion to the series, but I'm going to have real doubts about any new IP.

And the whole reason I bought a 360 this gen was reading a preview of Mass Effect and wanting to get the console that it would be released on.

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Einmalkommentator wrote...

BioWare got possessed by EA and turned into an abomination.


Oh my God, can I sig this?
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease? :kissing: