cosgamer wrote...
Dynelven wrote...
"Blaming" is completely different than providing constructive criticism. Blaming will go nowhere. Constructive criticism will.
Just because some people think DA2 is a 'bad' game means nothing. Afterall, Bioware does not have the benefit of the entire communty view on the game before publishing it (without having a beta first, if they pay attention to feedback). I'm sure THEY don't think the game is lacking before sending it out. That's what QA people are for. If you want to provide any advice, you should direct it at them (QA'ers), or you should make a thread where people can air their issues with the game (without being insulting) and hope that it is seen by people who can make a real change.
Like you said, they can only learn if they are told, but saying "DA2 sucks" (not saying you did, but a lot of people are) does not help.
They knew it was subpar. There's the defense artical been the defense of DA 2:
http://www.eurogamer...ge-ii-interview
And the admission by composer Zur that it was rushed:
http://music.ign.com.../1154594p1.html
Those two items right there tell us all we need to know they knew it was a crappy game.
First of all, I was not making an opinion on whther or not DA2 is a bad game. I know you wouldn't know this, because it was in another thread, but I don't even own DA2. Therefore I have no real opinion. I'm only trying to say that, for the most part *steps out of his normal demeanor* the people complaining about DA2 are being whiny 12 year olds. Sorry for that. *steps back in*
I'm actually grateful for the links you provided though, because you ended up proving
MY point. That is, this game (even if it was rushed), is not a 'bad game' because of what it is. I think Mike Laidlaw put it best in first link you provided.
Mike Laidlaw said...
Well it's hard to know exactly what's going on with scores that
are really, really negative. One possible culprit could just be a change
backlash, i.e. this isn't Origins and I wanted Origins 2. There may be
some degree of what I would honestly say is emotional investment in the
Origins story, or in the way Origins was presented which is leading to a
stronger than average reaction of disappointment.
...which is EXACTLY what I think is going on, and what I've been saying myself! If you fault them for trying something new that they thought would be better... well... don't
ever apply to be a game designer.
Mike Laidlaw said...
I think we would have seen just as much negativity if we just, as I used
to joke, stapled two Archdemons together and called it a super blight.
...except he's NOT correct here... it seems as though this is exactly what those who are complaining really wanted. In that case, I refer you back to my previous statement about the job of a game designer (and I'm not pulling this out of my arse, it's what I went to school for).
Lastly,
Mike Laidlaw said...
We're just very happy to see it out. What we're seeing is something not
really a surprise to us: we're seeing a bit of polarisation. It's not
radical, it's not like people are bursting into open warfare about
things, thank god. We knew going into Dragon Age II we were making some
changes.
Those are his first remarks, and they only solidify what is said above. Some love it, some hate it, Bioware expected that. You
have to expect that when you have a game like DAO and change the formula rather extensively for the sequel.
The bottom line is that saying the game sucks, saying the game is amazing; these are all just opinions and to be completely honest, dont matter in the slightest to anyone who could or would do anything about it.
The game is out, it's complete, if you love it great, if you hate it deal with it. I don't know a single person who has bought a game only to decide it's really not their style. That's the risk you take buying games, and if you can't deal with that, stop buying them.
Oh, and your other link...
Unlike other titles from Bioware, this [score] was kind of a rush job.
EA really wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins, so the game
was really being pushed hard to be released now. So I'd like to know if
there are bugs, or if there's anything we could patch or fix. [Editor's
note: Zur is speaking about bugs in the score only; he had no
involvement with the rest of the game's development.]
Sorry, but tht's not valid. I could care less what the guy who created the music for the game thinks, and as the article itself says:
he had no involvement with the rest of the game's development. (and before someone demonizes it, saying "EA really wanted to capitalize on the success of Origins, so the game was really being pushed hard to be released now" is a 'no duh'. Of course they did, the game was great, people were emotionally invested, you'd be a complete moron to not want to 'capitalize' on that (whether you're the Lead Designer or the CEO of EA).
That source is moot.
1) People flaming the boards about how bad DA2 is are either too invested in DAO, immature, and/or wasting their breath (or building their finger muscles in this case).
2) People debating about the EA/Bioware relationship are pretty much just being completely irrelevent. After all, what do you think you're going to do? Break up the partnership? This has turned into a pointless discussion for it's own sake, and that, people, is even making me feel a little pathetic for taking the time to involve myself.I'm gonna let out a big sigh now, so don't get near me because my breath is terrible.
Modifié par Dynelven, 12 mars 2011 - 07:41 .
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