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[Bhav]

I was banned for criticizing the game, I thought it was permanent.

The only game I have tied to this account is DAO, I never actually knew that the forum account is actually required to play a game I had paid for, that is really a dire decision with these games.

[17thknight]

Joshd21 wrote...

[snip]

So you're saying we should be required to register our games to post here, knowing that if we say 1 negative thing about Bioware or EA our ability to play those games can be permanently revoked? You, please, take your fanboism and ****** off.

[Garak2]

MacDoubt wrote...

You know, folks, it's not about whether the EULA is fair, seeing as he agreed to it.

He didn't buy the game, he bought a license to USE the game. EA/Bioware has rescinded this license temporarily. Sucks, but I'm sure if we wait, we will get an answer. Give them 'till close of business on Friday.

You have been conned into believing that you don't own the game and as long as you believe that, you don't.

Here's the thing, it's that belief that got us to this point. What if people just said NO to online activation?

[stepover12]

http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1
http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii
Look at the user rating of the game...
Baaaaddd move by whoever block the guy from accessing the game. Even IF the EULA allows them to do that stuff legally, this is gonna reflect very badly on the company. I can see a boycott campaign by the community if no one unsuspend his account.

[unlimited_sake]

The original topic: http://social.biowar.../index/6459941/

For everyone just joining in, I repeat, the issue was never that the guy got temporarily banned, nor is it why.

What's at issue is this: is it okay for EA/Bioware to prevent someone from using a product he's already bought and paid $60 for, as well as any other products that may have been linked to his account, without refund because he posted something that they didn't like on their forums?

If so, what if the product cost $600? $6000? Where do you draw the line?

What's at issue is our rights as a consumer, and how this policy violates it.

Note that although he's only temporarily suspended, under the same rules that Stanley Woo cited in the link above, he could just as easily be permanently banned and lose access to all EA products he's bought that are associated with that account.

[mpxlbs]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mpxlbs wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ZacOfTheZombies wrote...

Bioware is being a bit childish about this whole thing. It's one thing to ban people for blatently trolling, it's quite another to ban someone because they don't like your newest game.

Bioware didn't ban him, neither did EA they suspended him for reasons he claims were just bad mouthing them.

Irrelevant. He stated he was barred from being capable of playing EA titles he had already owned such as Dragon Age: Origins. If you support this product you are at best woefully ignorant, at worst braindead. Or, possibly, an employee of the company trying in the most tactless and disgusting manner to present some form of damage control. I mean, I don't believe that, but how hilarious would it be, right?

I have never been banned nor have you nor has any other person posting in here by EA or Bioware from playing your games, why would I boycott a company that has actually never done anything to me that could be considered bad in anyway other than taking one of my new favorite game series in direction I don't approve of so yes your quite right I will continue to buy Bioware games as will 99% of the people jumping up and down, the only ones who will not are very few self righteous or angry people and the rest do not own and have never planned on owning a bioware title in the first place. Those are the ones with new accounts created on mass today with no prior game history making these threads, whos comment history is only relating specifically to this one subject.

It's called solidarity.
Try it.

It's how revolutions are made, both big and small, or have you not been following the news recently about how solidarity can make a change? You're coming off as a bit of a ****** and quite ignorant.
Try not to do that.

I've bought alot of bioware games, not just for the windows platform, but for other platforms aswell. I'll await an official response from EA and in the meantime I will be holding on to my wallet.

How I come across to you is of no importance your of no interest to me other than your speaking to me in form of reply. Why should I show solidarity for someone who did something wrong and got punshed and isn't the one causing all this grief. I won't jump up and down over some idiot who got console banned by Microsoft for hacking a game why should I do so for someone who got suspended for what he claims was only making a statement of which I have no REAL evidence that was the real reason for it.

If a company does something to me that I don't like guess what? I can take my business elsewhere I wouldn't want or care for some internet ragest by some random people I don't know trying to fight a battle for me I never asked for or wanted.

You need to grow up, this guy didn't need his hand held and people to fight for him and nither would I. Your view on what is just and fair may be different to others so why should I support your version of fair based on events you don't know the full side of the story too from both sides. 

Having been a grown up for quite some time now, I can safely say that part of being a grown up is to let childish remarks like the OP's comment not come off as an insult, but instead focus on what it is, a childish remark.

Letting things go is part of being an adult. Try that too.
Also, please excuse my lack of proper english skills. It's my third language. If you find any faults and would like to critize, please bring something constructive with it.

Thanks, and have a good day.

Modifié par mpxlbs, 11 mars 2011 - 06:34 .

[Solistus1]

There's a general boycott of all EA games brewing over this on other gaming communities. If there isn't an announcement *tomorrow morning* apologizing profusely and reversing this policy, I'll be joining it. This is outrageous.  I thought the gaming industry couldn't get any more evil when they started loading games with DRM that would prevent new installations after a limited number and required constant 'phoning home' just to play the game single player, but this is orders of magnitude worse.  Reserving the right to take away my access to products I paid for based on nebulous-at-best forum guidelines that apparently ban sarcastic comments critical of the company that contain no profanity, personal attacks or anything else of that sort...  Nope, not a chance I'm paying $60 for *that* licensing agreement.

Modifié par Solistus1, 11 mars 2011 - 06:35 .

[CavScout]

17thknight wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

[snip]

So you're saying we should be required to register our games to post here, knowing that if we say 1 negative thing about Bioware or EA our ability to play those games can be permanently revoked? You, please, take your fanboism and ****** off.

Odd how accountability breeds civility. Oh well, anonymous firebomb throwers will be anonymous firebomb throwers. Ahh.. the internet.

[SVTBert]

Joshd21 wrote...

If you ask me, other companys would have banned his ISP for good from the account. Proof that they allowed this thread to exist shows they are reasonable and able to co exist,

however EA did this not bioware. And EA was correct in their auctions before the person insulted their company. It wasn't a ban, and the devs who do so much for us. This is how you thank them, where would we be without bioware, no SWTOR MMO, No Mass Effect1-2-3, or DA-1-2 and again they did not even suspend the person.

Lol, seriously dude?  No.  Most companies, and most MMO companies, would have simply locked the thread or deleted it, and maybe not have even warned the guy at all.  Coming from many different MMOs, that's been the general experience I've seen. 

So yeah, I'm gonna say that banning a dude (even temp banning) is in no way, shape, or form a reasonable or correct response to that.  Do you honestly, truly believe that taking away his access to the game he paid for, for speaking his opinion about a company, is fair or just? It's not like it's a free MMO that he paid nothing for.  It's a singleplayer game that he paid $60 for that he can't play now.

Modifié par SVTBert, 11 mars 2011 - 06:37 .

[Dragoonlordz]

unlimited_sake wrote...

The original topic: http://social.biowar.../index/6459941/

For everyone just joining in, I repeat, the issue was never that the guy got temporarily banned, nor is it why.

What's at issue is this: is it okay for EA/Bioware to prevent someone from using a product he's already bought and paid $60 for, as well as any other products that may have been linked to his account, without refund because he posted something that they didn't like on their forums?

If so, what if the product cost $600? $6000? Where do you draw the line?

What's at issue is our rights as a consumer, and how this policy violates it.

Note that although he's only temporarily suspended, under the same rules that Stanley Woo cited in the link above, he could just as easily be permanently banned and lose access to all EA products he's bought that are associated with that account.

Would of, could of, should of.. What a nice world you live in.. So many possabilities.

[VanTesla]

Let's start a angry mob and flog the people that are responsible.

[17thknight]

unlimited_sake wrote...

The original topic: http://social.biowar.../index/6459941/

For everyone just joining in, I repeat, the issue was never that the guy got temporarily banned, nor is it why.

What's at issue is this: is it okay for EA/Bioware to prevent someone from using a product he's already bought and paid $60 for, as well as any other products that may have been linked to his account, without refund because he posted something that they didn't like on their forums?

If so, what if the product cost $600? $6000? Where do you draw the line?

What's at issue is our rights as a consumer, and how this policy violates it.

Note that although he's only temporarily suspended, under the same rules that Stanley Woo cited in the link above, he could just as easily be permanently banned and lose access to all EA products he's bought that are associated with that account.

Indeed. Everyone defending this action must think it would be acceptable for Sony to show up at your house and take away your television after you bought it; GM to come take away your car after you paid for it; and for Coke to come stomach pump you and take back their soda after you drank it.

[Oslegend]

MColes wrote...

This is the stupidest thread in the history of the BioWare forums, and that's saying something. All these random internet ragers are coming here, based on absolutely zero proof, from one side or the other. Apparently, all the people believe everything they read on the internet. No one actually KNOWS that this guy got banned, like really from forum or game. It's just reading a forum post and RAGING full of assumptions with no evidence. You whole lot are disgraceful

A mod said earlier in a different thread that you can be banned from the game for being banned from forums.

People like you make not swearing very hard. 

[epiccrabs]

MColes wrote...

epiccrabs wrote...

MColes wrote...

This is the stupidest thread in the history of the BioWare forums, and that's saying something. All these random internet ragers are coming here, based on absolutely zero proof, from one side or the other. Apparently, all the people believe everything they read on the internet. No one actually KNOWS that this guy got banned, like really from forum or game. It's just reading a forum post and RAGING full of assumptions with no evidence. You whole lot are disgraceful

Have you even read that thread? JEBUS, have some reading comprehension men. He even posted his profile that stated he was banned from playing the game, furthermore Stanley even said that it is IN their TOS to get banned from playing the game.

That's funny cause I did.  Have you actually LOOKED at the account that was linked? Read the posts THAT account made?

Have you not comprehended it yet? Did Stanley denied what happened? Did he call the guy a liar? Nope, he said it clearly that it's within their TOS and he deserved it so LOCK
/argument

[Bhav]

Solistus1 wrote...
There's a general boycott of all EA games brewing over this on other gaming communities. If there isn't an announcement *tomorrow morning* apologizing profusely and reversing this policy, I'll be joining it. This is outrageous.

I didnt even know of any such boycott, but I've already decided not to buy EA games anymore, at least not until they are under a fiver on steam based on my own decision.

I have nothing against Bioware, I am sick to see what has become of their latest game due to EA's requirements and demands. 

[Dragoonlordz]

mpxlbs wrote...

Having been a grown up for quite some time now, I can safely say that part of being a grown up is to let childish remarks like the OP's comment not come off as an insult, but instead focus on what it is, a childish remark.

Letting things go is part of being an adult. Try that too.
Also, please excuse my lack of proper english skills. It's my third language. If you find any faults and would like to critize, please bring something constructive with it.

Thanks, and have a good day.

I was being constructive in my reply hence why I went into why and such ion response, may I mention you called me a ****** so as for being childish it seems to slope the other way.

[17thknight]

CavScout wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

[snip]

So you're saying we should be required to register our games to post here, knowing that if we say 1 negative thing about Bioware or EA our ability to play those games can be permanently revoked? You, please, take your fanboism and ****** off.

Odd how accountability breeds civility. Oh well, anonymous firebomb throwers will be anonymous firebomb throwers. Ahh.. the internet.

"Civility".

So once again, you're saying that we shouldn't be allowed to say ANYTHING negative about Bioware, its games, its publisher, etc., and if we do we deserve to have our property stolen from us?

What a lovely, fascist world you must live in.

[Dragoonlordz]

Solistus1 wrote...

There's a general boycott of all EA games brewing over this on other gaming communities. If there isn't an announcement *tomorrow morning* apologizing profusely and reversing this policy, I'll be joining it. This is outrageous.  I thought the gaming industry couldn't get any more evil when they started loading games with DRM that would prevent new installations after a limited number and required constant 'phoning home' just to play the game single player, but this is orders of magnitude worse.  Reserving the right to take away my access to products I paid for based on nebulous-at-best forum guidelines that apparently ban sarcastic comments critical of the company that contain no profanity, personal attacks or anything else of that sort...  Nope, not a chance I'm paying $60 for *that* licensing agreement.

No such thing is happening, a few sites and forums and tweets will not change anything.

[mpxlbs]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

mpxlbs wrote...

Having been a grown up for quite some time now, I can safely say that part of being a grown up is to let childish remarks like the OP's comment not come off as an insult, but instead focus on what it is, a childish remark.

Letting things go is part of being an adult. Try that too.
Also, please excuse my lack of proper english skills. It's my third language. If you find any faults and would like to critize, please bring something constructive with it.

Thanks, and have a good day.

I was being constructive in my reply hence why I went into why and such ion response, may I mention you called me a ****** so as for being childish it seems to slope the other way.

Ever heard the quote "Do as I say, but not as I do"? It's exactly that. Everybody has double standards. To be fair though, I'm not trying to offend you here, I sincerely stand by my comment and I was being quite honest about it, althought I should have narrowed it down a bit. It's just in this thread. I don't know any of your other posts. You've gotten alot of users riled up for a reason, and it's not for playing "nice".

Modifié par mpxlbs, 11 mars 2011 - 06:40 .

[Aermas]

We are not saying Stanley Woo is evil for just doing his job, we are saying that the rule itself is unjust not that the enforcer of the rule himself is unjust.

[Oslegend]

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

That's not how EULA works, there are many laws and codes that prevent consumers from getting screwed by companies with things like this. If Bioware was to put that your first newborn would be given to them upon pressing accept terms somewhere in the middle of the EULA, it wouldn't actually happen. You can still get your money back if they ban you from accessing the game which is your property upon paying them money. 

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Solistus1 wrote...

There's a general boycott of all EA games brewing over this on other gaming communities. If there isn't an announcement *tomorrow morning* apologizing profusely and reversing this policy, I'll be joining it. This is outrageous.  I thought the gaming industry couldn't get any more evil when they started loading games with DRM that would prevent new installations after a limited number and required constant 'phoning home' just to play the game single player, but this is orders of magnitude worse.  Reserving the right to take away my access to products I paid for based on nebulous-at-best forum guidelines that apparently ban sarcastic comments critical of the company that contain no profanity, personal attacks or anything else of that sort...  Nope, not a chance I'm paying $60 for *that* licensing agreement.

No such thing is happening, a few sites and forums and tweets will not change anything.

Tell that to Egypt.

[17thknight]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
No such thing is happening, a few sites and forums and tweets will not change anything.

No, people like you cause nothing to change. You see something abhorrent and you do nothing about it. You just shrug and continue to funnel money to companies you hate. That's awful.

I was, quite literally 2 hours ago, contemplating buying ME and ME2 on the PC  just to play through them again (I traded in my xbox copies long ago). I put them on my Steam wishlist earlier tonight to think about it. Now i have removed them. 

Sure, it's only $40, and that's a pittance to me and Bioware, but it's one more pittance that they don't have.

Modifié par 17thknight, 11 mars 2011 - 06:41 .

[17thknight]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


No such thing is happening, a few sites and forums and tweets will not change anything.

Tell that to Egypt.

Very nicely put.

[Master Fubar 23]

IronWolf1987 wrote...

Might makes right, or as the case usually is money makes right. Even if what has happened is illegal there is no way to stop EA and their near limitless resources. Best way to handle this would try to get this whole thing to go viral and cause a PR storm and see if that changes EA's mind about this.

I agree with this guy 100%. As for it going viral I'm not sure how viral its gotten but I actually read about this issue from the escapist website. I generally don't like EA because game manuals are less than 10 pages long which annoys me to no end but this takes the cake. Especially with stanley woo saying its an "incentive" to NOT exercise your right to freedom of speech. I don't support bs like this so no DA:2 for me. Hopefully nothing bad/stupid like this happens again so I can enjoy ME3 when it comes out.