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[Dragoonlordz]

epiccrabs wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

[snip]

So you're saying we should be required to register our games to post here, knowing that if we say 1 negative thing about Bioware or EA our ability to play those games can be permanently revoked? You, please, take your fanboism and ****** off.

Look at you for example. You do not have any registered games! I was suspended not too long ago. And you know what? I was still able to log in the game and play just fine! perhaps it's because EA is the person who did the banning. Yet I have felt the ban for 24 hours and there was no problem with me able to log into the DA2 during this time and play.

People have sparked outrage about Bioware before, they simply lock the threads and yes if they do ban someone it's only for 24 hours! however in this EA is the one who banned him and that is for 3 days!, not even a ful week. No amount of nerd raging is going to get this settled. Because if it does, then that opens the door for anyone with any type of suspended account to rage, spam and they will be unbanned.

Let me repeat, if Bioware bans you it's for 24 hours max! and you are still able to play their game. I don't know about EA!, however you wouldn't have this problem if you simply did not say bad things about them. Even if you do and get banned like I did last night, it will only last a few days.

The devs here interact with us daily, unlike any other gaming place and now they are taking the blame for EA's actions. You are blaming the wrong party. Bioware created Dragon Age Orgins, DA2, Mass Effect 1-2-3 and SWTOR MMO which are by far the best games

I have ever played. Yet you cause them all this stress because a single lone gamer shot off his mouth about EA got suspended for 72 hours and creates several accounts and spams so it's okay? Please get over yourself. His ban will not be removed, in fact he is in violation of further haressment, fighting, spamming, rude posts. You should know no other website would have this kind of tolerance or been so reasonable, now you are taking advantage so please leave and allow us to talk about DA in pace.

Not everyone feels the same way he doe.He creates so many accounts, and spams the borads because Bioware doesn't force the person to verify the account or register any games to post.  Now he's beeing a little upset. who doesn't get what they want unable to control themsevles. He is just runing his rep and discrediting himself with spamming these fourms.

So what if the devs interact with us? I'd rather have silent devs than devs who actually interacts with us then scampers and hide in their holes when they do something wrong. This is EA AND Bioware, there's a reason they're partners, it's not partnership if you're getting ordered around like a ****.

Bored of you guys now so I repeat if you don't like a companies polcies feel free to not buy their products but stop spamming on our/the continuing players forums.

[Oslegend]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

I love that there is actually no proof that vvare and v_vare are the same person. If you look at V_vare (The alleged ACTUAL account) he has no threads which have been locked, or forum posts that even seem inclined to being reportable. This whole bloody thing is probably faked, by some troll to cause issues for BioWare, since the game is selling and all the internet badasses realize that screwing with the metacritic user ratings doesn't mean, or do jack-all.

Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

Don't like the company or it's policies feel free to leave and not let the door hit you on the way out.
 

The fanboy is strong in this one. 

[17thknight]

Garak2 wrote...

Glad I have a Jeep instead of a GM. Glad I am a Pepsi drinker but I do have a Sony TV.....

You had me .....


until you said Pepsi drinker

[17thknight]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bored of you guys now so I repeat if you don't like a companies polcies feel free to not buy their products but stop spamming on our/the continuing players forums.

"Hey, this company did something that I find despicable!"
"DONT YOU DARE TELL ANYONE ABOUT IT! DONT YOU DARE!"

People have a right to voice their opinions, whether you like them or not.

Modifié par 17thknight, 11 mars 2011 - 06:52 .

[Dragoonlordz]

17thknight wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

Yes he does.

He thinks that if you put a political bumpersticker on your car that GM doesn't like they should have the right to remotely detonate a hidden explosive inside of the engine.

Telling others what it is I believe? Born that stupid or just dropped on your head as a baby?

The only person who knows what I believe is me and I am perfectly capable thank you very much of stating my own views.

[Keele]

17thknight wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

Yes he does.

He thinks that if you put a political bumpersticker on your car that GM doesn't like they should have the right to remotely detonate a hidden explosive inside of the engine.

Whereas you believe that you should be allowed to harass others and that they should be obligated to tolerate it.

You two are quite similar, in a yin and yang sort of way.

[MColes]

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

I love that there is actually no proof that vvare and v_vare are the same person. If you look at V_vare (The alleged ACTUAL account) he has no threads which have been locked, or forum posts that even seem inclined to being reportable. This whole bloody thing is probably faked, by some troll to cause issues for BioWare, since the game is selling and all the internet badasses realize that screwing with the metacritic user ratings doesn't mean, or do jack-all.

Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

Stanley's not arguing ANY point.  He posted nothing but facts relavent to the thread, and linked to the TOS.  He never said "You were banned cause.." or "You can't play, because.."  He highlighted reasons it MIGHT have happened, and asked the poster to contact him in PM.  That is frankly, helpful.  People are assuming things, based on no concrete evidence.  For all we know, vvare is playing Dragon Age 2 RIGHT NOW, and is too damn busy to come check the forums and lol@ all the trolls.  If you even KNEW v_vare at all, you'd know he HATES trolls, and this entire thread would disgust him. 

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Solistus1 wrote...

There's a general boycott of all EA games brewing over this on other gaming communities. If there isn't an announcement *tomorrow morning* apologizing profusely and reversing this policy, I'll be joining it. This is outrageous.  I thought the gaming industry couldn't get any more evil when they started loading games with DRM that would prevent new installations after a limited number and required constant 'phoning home' just to play the game single player, but this is orders of magnitude worse.  Reserving the right to take away my access to products I paid for based on nebulous-at-best forum guidelines that apparently ban sarcastic comments critical of the company that contain no profanity, personal attacks or anything else of that sort...  Nope, not a chance I'm paying $60 for *that* licensing agreement.

No such thing is happening, a few sites and forums and tweets will not change anything.

Tell that to Egypt.

Aw snap.

Your dilusional if you think either Bioware or EA are going to crumble from this... Seriously some common sense.

This isn't a dictatorship where your family members being killed for speaking out against the state, no it's a single person got suspended from a game. Keyword for you there a "game". People need to grow up and stop treating every single action as an afront to their very existance. This ranting and raving will change nothing I will promise you that, just as it never has with any other case in the history that EULAs have existed. You don't like how it treats you, your free to leave if you feel that strongly do so. But in doing so why are you still here moaning like some self proclaimed bringer of all things right and wrong.  Just go if you no longer wish to support or buy or play these games anymore.

Actually the key words would be "Purchased Product" regardless of what that product may be. It doesnt matter if its a game or a toaster no company has the right to steal anything back from you once you've paid them for it. It is illegal. Do you understand what illegal means?

This is EA believing that they are above the law and that they can do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want. This wont do anything? Well its already convinced me to never buy another Bioware product (yes product) until they seperate themselves from EA. This obviously means I wont be buying anything from EA either. Why? I dont like the thought of having my purchased property stolen from me by some highschool drop out making $6 an hour.

[blowoutware]

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

[Aermas]

17thknight wrote...

Aermas wrote...

This rule is similar to what just happened
in Wisconsin. They took away teacher Collective bargaining rights &
banned them from trying to get them back

That's not even remotely the same thing. Leave IRL politics out of this lest it turn into a flame-fest.

So I'm guessing you're an expert on the political/social/economical climates of Wisconsin?

[SVTBert]

Garak2 wrote...

17thknight wrote...

unlimited_sake wrote...

The original topic: http://social.biowar.../index/6459941/

For everyone just joining in, I repeat, the issue was never that the guy got temporarily banned, nor is it why.

What's at issue is this: is it okay for EA/Bioware to prevent someone from using a product he's already bought and paid $60 for, as well as any other products that may have been linked to his account, without refund because he posted something that they didn't like on their forums?

If so, what if the product cost $600? $6000? Where do you draw the line?

What's at issue is our rights as a consumer, and how this policy violates it.

Note that although he's only temporarily suspended, under the same rules that Stanley Woo cited in the link above, he could just as easily be permanently banned and lose access to all EA products he's bought that are associated with that account.

Indeed. Everyone defending this action must think it would be acceptable for Sony to show up at your house and take away your television after you bought it; GM to come take away your car after you paid for it; and for Coke to come stomach pump you and take back their soda after you drank it.

Glad I have a Jeep instead of a GM. Glad I am a Pepsi drinker but I do have a Sony TV.....

Heh, who do you think owns Jeep?  In fact, it brings up an excellent point, too.  Because EA owns Bioware, EA gets to deny you access to your Bioware-developed game.  So actually, in that analogy GM will be taking your Jeep from your house because they own the company, just like EA is doing.

[Oslegend]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

Yes he does.

He thinks that if you put a political bumpersticker on your car that GM doesn't like they should have the right to remotely detonate a hidden explosive inside of the engine.

Telling others what it is I believe? Born that stupid or just dropped on your head as a baby?

The only person who knows what I believe is me and I am perfectly capable thank you very much of stating my own views.

I respect your right to an opinion, however in this case, your opinion just happens to suck, a lot. 

[Aermas]

blowoutware wrote...

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

Zen

[Dragoonlordz]

Oslegend wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

I love that there is actually no proof that vvare and v_vare are the same person. If you look at V_vare (The alleged ACTUAL account) he has no threads which have been locked, or forum posts that even seem inclined to being reportable. This whole bloody thing is probably faked, by some troll to cause issues for BioWare, since the game is selling and all the internet badasses realize that screwing with the metacritic user ratings doesn't mean, or do jack-all.

Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

Don't like the company or it's policies feel free to leave and not let the door hit you on the way out.
 

The fanboy is strong in this one. 

Sure.. If you say so must be true. Think you will find I have on many occasions been condoning some of the thing Bioware does from changes in games to how they treat customers. Probably more so than yourself, which means your just trolling now.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 07:03 .

[epiccrabs]

"
Indeed. Everyone defending this action must think it would be acceptable for Sony to show up at your house and take away your television after you bought it; GM to come take away your car after you paid for it; and for Coke to come stomach pump you and take back their soda after you drank it."

Yup yup yup. Even biodrones and ealovers can't deny this is what's happening and can happen.

[CrimsonKumiho]

Just throwing it out there... but I recommend everyone read the EA terms of service and maybe dissect that. Maybe then you'll uncover something worth investigating and raging over.

[Chairchucker]

Dragoonlordz wrote...


Don't like the company or it's policies feel free to leave and not let the door hit you on the way out.
 

The voting process works differently in the country I live in.

[stepover12]

Dragoonlordz doesn't realize that his opinion is a very lonely one.

[Stanley Woo]

17thknight wrote...
Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

I have not commented on the issue at all, nor will I. I will notify the appropriate people tomorrow and hopefully, that will be the end of my involvement.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

I can not, or if I can, I haven't figured out how yet. Perhaps I'll have one of the other Moderators take me through a tutorial. It would make things so much easier in the future. Thank you.

[17thknight]

Keele wrote...


Whereas you believe that you should be allowed to harass others and that they should be obligated to tolerate it.

 I believe that people have a right to express their opinions without having their property rights stripped from them.

[Esau_of_Isaac]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

Yes he does.

He thinks that if you put a political bumpersticker on your car that GM doesn't like they should have the right to remotely detonate a hidden explosive inside of the engine.

Telling others what it is I believe? Born that stupid or just dropped on your head as a baby?

The only person who knows what I believe is me and I am perfectly capable thank you very much of stating my own views.

Then I'll repeat myself:

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

[Joshd21]

epiccrabs wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

[snip]

So you're saying we should be required to register our games to post here, knowing that if we say 1 negative thing about Bioware or EA our ability to play those games can be permanently revoked? You, please, take your fanboism and ****** off.

Look at you for example. You do not have any registered games! I was suspended not too long ago. And you know what? I was still able to log in the game and play just fine! perhaps it's because EA is the person who did the banning. Yet I have felt the ban for 24 hours and there was no problem with me able to log into the DA2 during this time and play.

People have sparked outrage about Bioware before, they simply lock the threads and yes if they do ban someone it's only for 24 hours! however in this EA is the one who banned him and that is for 3 days!, not even a ful week. No amount of nerd raging is going to get this settled. Because if it does, then that opens the door for anyone with any type of suspended account to rage, spam and they will be unbanned.

Let me repeat, if Bioware bans you it's for 24 hours max! and you are still able to play their game. I don't know about EA!, however you wouldn't have this problem if you simply did not say bad things about them. Even if you do and get banned like I did last night, it will only last a few days.

The devs here interact with us daily, unlike any other gaming place and now they are taking the blame for EA's actions. You are blaming the wrong party. Bioware created Dragon Age Orgins, DA2, Mass Effect 1-2-3 and SWTOR MMO which are by far the best games

I have ever played. Yet you cause them all this stress because a single lone gamer shot off his mouth about EA got suspended for 72 hours and creates several accounts and spams so it's okay? Please get over yourself. His ban will not be removed, in fact he is in violation of further haressment, fighting, spamming, rude posts. You should know no other website would have this kind of tolerance or been so reasonable, now you are taking advantage so please leave and allow us to talk about DA in pace.

Not everyone feels the same way he doe.He creates so many accounts, and spams the borads because Bioware doesn't force the person to verify the account or register any games to post.  Now he's beeing a little upset. who doesn't get what they want unable to control themsevles. He is just runing his rep and discrediting himself with spamming these fourms.

So what if the devs interact with us? I'd rather have silent devs than devs who actually interacts with us then scampers and hide in their holes when they do something wrong. This is EA AND Bioware, there's a reason they're partners, it's not partnership if you're getting ordered around like a ****.

So you ignore my full post and you claim that the devs are running and hiding when they did something wrong? The dev's are not even the ones who performed the banning!. EA and Bioware are seperate! It's like EA is one side and Bioware is the other, yes they interact with each other on games, budgets etc

Yet you can't blame bioware for what EA did. They had virtually nothing to do with it, their hands are cleaned. Because Bioware and EA are now partners it's okay to rage on this site. I am starting to see that none of you will be reasonable and the majority of the posters causing all the hate are ones without any games registered!

Not all, but most. They are the ones unable to see reason, get over the fact that it happended. And while you are boycotting some of the best games ever created, this situation would have been over by then! I assure you the gamer would be playing the game as soon as his ban is up!

Don't expect the fight to last long inside him. After 3 days he will be over it, and these posts will stop.He is upset clearly, and he's using that rage to post on other sites and scream "OMG, HATE BIOWARE" there is nerd ragging and there is this. What do you call a person that sits on a fourm for 8 plus hours just spamming the most vulgar things on the site.

Clearly some people need to be checked out to see if they are okay. It's okay to have a friendly debate about something, yet he has gone so far to say he would download the game elsewhere, which in fact illegal I may remind you!

[MColes]

epiccrabs wrote...

MColes wrote...

epiccrabs wrote...

MColes wrote...

epiccrabs wrote...

MColes wrote...

This is the stupidest thread in the history of the BioWare forums, and that's saying something. All these random internet ragers are coming here, based on absolutely zero proof, from one side or the other. Apparently, all the people believe everything they read on the internet. No one actually KNOWS that this guy got banned, like really from forum or game. It's just reading a forum post and RAGING full of assumptions with no evidence. You whole lot are disgraceful

Have you even read that thread? JEBUS, have some reading comprehension men. He even posted his profile that stated he was banned from playing the game, furthermore Stanley even said that it is IN their TOS to get banned from playing the game.

That's funny cause I did.  Have you actually LOOKED at the account that was linked? Read the posts THAT account made?

Have you not comprehended it yet? Did Stanley denied what happened? Did he call the guy a liar? Nope, he said it clearly that it's within their TOS and he deserved it so LOCK
/argument

Really? That's what Stanley said?  Or did he infact only link to the TOS, and highlight the applicable rules, and then asked the poster to contact him through private messages.  AFTER WHICH, we've heard absolutely nothing from the account.

So is the TOS wrong? NOPE.JPG If It was indeed fake then why can't Stanley just say "Hey guys, no this incident did not happen and the rules that you get banned from playing the game is fake." But in reality what's happening is it indeed happened and will continue to happen. IF this incident was false how hard is it for the bioware guys to say "No guys, we do not ban you from playing the game even though you bought it and insulted us."

Because.. It would have been an EA community ban that made his EA account inaccessable, not a BIOWARE community ban.  Stanley works for BioWare, and whether or not he has access to the EA accounts - we frankly do not know.  There are problems with Time zones, and it's already well beyond business hours ANYWHERE in North America. 

[joriandrake]

17thknight wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Glad I have a Jeep instead of a GM. Glad I am a Pepsi drinker but I do have a Sony TV.....

You had me .....


until you said Pepsi drinker

why? Pepsi is the best cola

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 mars 2011 - 06:56 .

[Bhav]

I understand that in MMO games, banning people who hack, cheat, or harass other players is usually a good thing.

I've been playing MMOs for about 8 years now and would never do something like that in such a game.

But the potential of losing access to a single player game for any reason is completely unjustied. You buy a single player game, and its only you playing that game. Feel free to cheat, hack, mod do whatever you want in the game. Feel free to also say whatever you want about that game, there is no justifiable reason whatsoever for banning a person from playing a single layer game because they criticize either the game, developer or publisher.