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[Oslegend]

blowoutware wrote...

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

The right of annulment has been proclaimed.

[Sarkus]

MColes wrote...

I love that there is actually no proof that vvare and v_vare are the same person. If you look at V_vare (The alleged ACTUAL account) he has no threads which have been locked, or forum posts that even seem inclined to being reportable. This whole bloody thing is probably faked, by some troll to cause issues for BioWare, since the game is selling and all the internet badasses realize that screwing with the metacritic user ratings doesn't mean, or do jack-all.

You didn't look very closely, then.  V_Vare created a thread that was locked later for personal attacks and has at least two deleted posts (i.e. deleted by mods), since someone quoted those posts before they were deleted.  The deleted posts, in which slurs were exchanged, were almost certainly the reason for the 72 hour ban.

V_Vare's problem is that he didn't install DA2 before getting banned and now can't complete the initial online check as a result.  If I was banned tomorrow, I could still play the game. Just not have access to the DLC.  

To be clear, though, I don't think anything I've paid for should in anyway be tied to good standing on a message board.

[epiccrabs]

MColes wrote...

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

I love that there is actually no proof that vvare and v_vare are the same person. If you look at V_vare (The alleged ACTUAL account) he has no threads which have been locked, or forum posts that even seem inclined to being reportable. This whole bloody thing is probably faked, by some troll to cause issues for BioWare, since the game is selling and all the internet badasses realize that screwing with the metacritic user ratings doesn't mean, or do jack-all.

Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

Stanley's not arguing ANY point.  He posted nothing but facts relavent to the thread, and linked to the TOS.  He never said "You were banned cause.." or "You can't play, because.."  He highlighted reasons it MIGHT have happened, and asked the poster to contact him in PM.  That is frankly, helpful.  People are assuming things, based on no concrete evidence.  For all we know, vvare is playing Dragon Age 2 RIGHT NOW, and is too damn busy to come check the forums and lol@ all the trolls.  If you even KNEW v_vare at all, you'd know he HATES trolls, and this entire thread would disgust him. 

Your head sure is thick even if several replies are given to you. The problem here is the fact that they CAN AND WILL ban you for something you bought. To quote the quote again from another poster  
Indeed. Everyone defending this action must think it would be acceptable for Sony to show up at your house and take away your television after you bought it; GM to come take away your car after you paid for it; and for Coke to come stomach pump you and take back their soda after you drank it.

Even you can't deny that this policy is indeed wrong and not morally right.

[joriandrake]

Oslegend wrote...

blowoutware wrote...

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

The right of annulment has been proclaimed.

you deserve a cookie

[night0205]

I sense blood magic...

[roushguy]

Jesus. A relation of mine told me to help him "start a 're-volus-ion'". Now, I understand that EULAs are hard to hold up in court, and EA could quite easily snarl him in legal fees and eventually win that way, but we've got to remember that EA, in this case and this case alone, =\\= Bioware. Compare it to federal and state enforcement of laws. If you break a state law, the state, (Bioware) and the federal government (EA), can, if they choose, enforce it instead of the state. If you break a federal law, the state is only allowed to expatriate you to the federal government. If that's what happened here, so be it. I don't think Woo or Bioware deserve this literal $@!%storm of what equates to electronic hatemail. (Trolling, for all you new, trendy types) Woo may have been told by someone higher up on the totem pole to simply not say anything. He may be using the toilet. He may be taking a union-mandated break. We can't be sure. Personally, I feel sorry for the poor S.O.B. He's got to work overtime, usually not a big deal. He's got to also deal with a jaded customer who refuses to see what he did as wrong. Personally, if I called the owner of every GM store, and their contract with me states that they can take my things for a time if I do so, I will /not/, repeat, /not/ scream and go to electronic thermonuclear war right away. I'll shrug it off, wait and see what happens. Why can't we all do that?

[17thknight]

Stanley Woo wrote...

17thknight wrote...
Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

I have not commented on the issue at all, nor will I. I will notify the appropriate people tomorrow and hopefully, that will be the end of my involvement.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

I can not, or if I can, I haven't figured out how yet. Perhaps I'll have one of the other Moderators take me through a tutorial. It would make things so much easier in the future. Thank you.

WELP, I'd be happy to if you made me a moderator.  (Seriously, a website where you can't do this? You guys need to implement it. How can you possibly enforce a ban if someone can make 50 accounts all from the same IP?)

And pardner, when your sole response to an issue like this is to post the TOS that outline that this is a part of the company's policy, and within their rights to do, that's taking a side on the issue. 

To remain neutral  you should have done something more tactful, like "I cannot comment on whether or not this incident occurred, but we will addres it as swiftly as possible."


What you DID say was

Stanley Woo wrote...
Because the BioWare community now operates under the same umbrella as
all EA Communities, community members here have all explicitly agreed to
abide by and be governed by both sets of rules. Consider it an added
incentive to follow the rules you say you're going to follow.

That's stating that these things can and will happen. Especially the "added incentive" part.


Also: If no one's going to give you an official statement to make on this subject, go home and get some sleep.

Modifié par 17thknight, 11 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[VanTesla]

17thknight wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

Yes he does.

He thinks that if you put a political bumpersticker on your car that GM doesn't like they should have the right to remotely detonate a hidden explosive inside of the engine.

I think he maybe works for EA.

[Marionettetc]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Aurgelmir wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Solistus1 wrote...

There's a general boycott of all EA games brewing over this on other gaming communities. If there isn't an announcement *tomorrow morning* apologizing profusely and reversing this policy, I'll be joining it. This is outrageous.  I thought the gaming industry couldn't get any more evil when they started loading games with DRM that would prevent new installations after a limited number and required constant 'phoning home' just to play the game single player, but this is orders of magnitude worse.  Reserving the right to take away my access to products I paid for based on nebulous-at-best forum guidelines that apparently ban sarcastic comments critical of the company that contain no profanity, personal attacks or anything else of that sort...  Nope, not a chance I'm paying $60 for *that* licensing agreement.

No such thing is happening, a few sites and forums and tweets will not change anything.

Tell that to Egypt.

Aw snap.

Your dilusional if you think either Bioware or EA are going to crumble from this... Seriously some common sense.

This isn't a dictatorship where your family members being killed for speaking out against the state, no it's a single person got suspended from a game. Keyword for you there a "game". People need to grow up and stop treating every single action as an afront to their very existance. This ranting and raving will change nothing I will promise you that, just as it never has with any other case in the history that EULAs have existed. You don't like how it treats you, your free to leave if you feel that strongly do so. But in doing so why are you still here moaning like some self proclaimed bringer of all things right and wrong.  Just go if you no longer wish to support or buy or play these games anymore.

It's about attention and immaturity.

I'm honestly glad he got banned, I hope it's permanent.

I think in the case of a video game, it's ok to complain. Register and log complaints through the proper channels, the dev's do listen and will respond when you treat them like adults. However, acting like children with no self control, and using speech/behavior that would get you punched in the face IRL shouldn't be protected by the anonimity of the internet.

People really do need to grow up. Would you treat someone kindly, if you for example owned a pizza shop and they camped inside the dining room during lunch hours screaming how bad your food is? That would be ok? They have a business to run and it's just rude to slander them. Negative publicity can lose them money, and they care more about that than your individual rights. As they should.

And for emphasis, if you hate Bioware games so much - or just this one - why not just walk away from them and stop trolling forums for fans? What's that? Oh, that's right - then the spotlight wouldn't be on you and you wouldn't be able to validate your pathetic existance through negative reinforcement on a message board.

Modifié par Marionettetc, 11 mars 2011 - 07:09 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Actually the key words would be "Purchased Product" regardless of what that product may be. It doesnt matter if its a game or a toaster no company has the right to steal anything back from you once you've paid them for it. It is illegal. Do you understand what illegal means?

This is EA believing that they are above the law and that they can do whatever they want to whoever they want whenever they want. This wont do anything? Well its already convinced me to never buy another Bioware product (yes product) until they seperate themselves from EA. This obviously means I wont be buying anything from EA either. Why? I dont like the thought of having my purchased property stolen from me by some highschool drop out making $6 an hour.

You do understand that if you feel it's illegal you can challenge it and get it overturned don't you? Or do I have to point that out because you forgot. Your putting words in other peoples mouhts including cmpanies does not make it so. If you feel this strongly as you stated don't buy another Bioware game. That you are very much free to do neither EA nor Bioware can stop you, but what I am saying is very few people will actually stop buying Bioware games over this and those that claim will do also won't boycott the games.

There may be a few exceptions it might be the case some do but lets be realistic here that number will be beyond tiny regardless how big people claim this issue to be which in fact isn't as big as they claim.

[back pain]

I have been banned from these forms before, I was still able to use all other EA services including all the services available on this site (except for the forms of course).

[Insaner Robot]

His account was banned for 72 hours, he can't play DA2 because he needs to activate it with his account while it's banned.
His other games still work he just can't activate the DLC in game because for the duration of his ban he's unable to login.

So he should be able to activate his game when his ban has ended after three days. He is not prevented from playing DA:O Awakening or ME2 as these can be played without logging in to your account. And would probably be able to DA2 without the exta content from DLC if his ban occured after activation.

To cut a long story short, after his ban has ended he should logically be able to activate his game and play normally with all his DLC.

[17thknight]

Insaner Robot wrote...

His account was banned for 72 hours, he can't play DA2 because he needs to activate it with his account while it's banned.
His other games still work he just can't activate the DLC in game because for the duration of his ban he's unable to login.

So he should be able to activate his game when his ban has ended after three days. He is not prevented from playing DA:O Awakening or ME2 as these can be played without logging in to your account. And would probably be able to DA2 without the exta content from DLC if his ban occured after activation.

To cut a long story short, after his ban has ended he should logically be able to activate his game and play normally with all his DLC.

And if it was a permanent ban...?

He's fortunate, extremely, that this was only 72 hours, but it shouldn't happen AT ALL. The length of time is irrelevant.

[blowoutware]

joriandrake wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

blowoutware wrote...

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

The right of annulment has been proclaimed.

you deserve a cookie

This game just proves Bioware made a pact with a sloth demon (EA).

[Oslegend]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

I love that there is actually no proof that vvare and v_vare are the same person. If you look at V_vare (The alleged ACTUAL account) he has no threads which have been locked, or forum posts that even seem inclined to being reportable. This whole bloody thing is probably faked, by some troll to cause issues for BioWare, since the game is selling and all the internet badasses realize that screwing with the metacritic user ratings doesn't mean, or do jack-all.

Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

Don't like the company or it's policies feel free to leave and not let the door hit you on the way out.
 

The fanboy is strong in this one. 

Sure.. If you say so must be true. Thik you will find I have on many occasions been condoning some of the thing Bioware does from changes in games to how they treat customers. Probably more so than yourself, which means your just trolling now.

Trolling? I'm the one with the 5 registered games.. and I'm pointing out something obvious, that you are a fanboy, just stating blatant observations, sorry for that.. 

[Dragoonlordz]

blowoutware wrote...

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

Your magic 8 ball appears to be broken.

[CaolIla]

First I wanted to write a long post why I'm so disappointed with bioware, but since I'm still waiting for my game and see for myself how bad/good it really is without getting banned for something i write in a forum, I'll make it short.

Bioware I welcome you to the Ubisoft level! But till I invent a new system for measurement you can't fall any lower, so it's alright.

[joriandrake]

IP doesn't matter, I know for sure that my own here in Hungary resets every time the modem is reset or in 3-4 other cases (I use this to my benefit watching megavideo links), not everywhere is IP permanent, and even if it is someone else may post from your PC, this is not something a ban should be based on

[Kenstar]

Just checkin, but is the copy of the game in question permanently banned from use? If not, then I honestly don't see a problem here. MANY other games have locked players out of play (periodically, that is) for claims much less serious than this(MGO comes off the top of my head). If permanent, however, that is rather ridiculous. Also, this could have been avoided if the user in question spoke his mind on ANOTHER forum. I wouldn't like people coming to write on my lovely wall about how much I apparently sucked/was lazy/produced a rushed project or whatever else people are claiming about DA 2. I'm somewhat interested in how this is unfolding, but only somewhat. So far, My opinion of Bioware remains unchanged. Also, this "fanboy" nonsense is just silly. Everyone is posting on these boards because they have at least like SOMETHING Bioware has done. I don't see the free cookies, do you? Having an opinion is swell, but pointless name calling severely hurts your arguements. 

Modifié par Kenstar, 11 mars 2011 - 07:06 .

[epiccrabs]

Insaner Robot wrote...

His account was banned for 72 hours, he can't play DA2 because he needs to activate it with his account while it's banned.
His other games still work he just can't activate the DLC in game because for the duration of his ban he's unable to login.

So he should be able to activate his game when his ban has ended after three days. He is not prevented from playing DA:O Awakening or ME2 as these can be played without logging in to your account. And would probably be able to DA2 without the exta content from DLC if his ban occured after activation.

To cut a long story short, after his ban has ended he should logically be able to activate his game and play normally with all his DLC.

And to cut a short story short, because of EA's stupid policy it erupted into a flamefest on the forums, with the biodrones and eaf*gs on the red corner and people who are not turning a blind eye on the blue corner.

[17thknight]

Oslegend wrote...

blowoutware wrote...

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

The right of annulment has been proclaimed.

Thank you for bringing lol's to this thread.

[Lacan2]

There won't be a lawsuit. That's not realistic or helpful.

But EA can salvage some credibility if they reverse this, or otherwise it will be a big ****storm that goes viral. It won't just be 2nd rate websites that pick up on it, it will be places like IGN and Gamespot. If EA tries to defend it and it's seen to be a consumer rights issue, it could make it into some place like the NYT or USA Today, which would go beyond anything at gaming websites.

EA/Bioware doesn't want that at all.

Modifié par Lacan2, 11 mars 2011 - 07:04 .

[88mphSlayer]

i've heard of gamers trolling developers

i ain't never heard of a developer trolling gamers so literally

in a way it's funny, in other ways it's frightening

[Oslegend]

joriandrake wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

blowoutware wrote...

I can see lawsuits coming from this, and rightfully so this game has major issues and whenever they are brought up it seems the Bioware neo-**** squad comes to defend anything remotley constructive.

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

The right of annulment has been proclaimed.

you deserve a cookie

I know.

[passionata]

EA = templars, forum posters = mages, and those that question anything are apostates.

Good one