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[Keele]

joriandrake wrote...

IP doesn't matter, I know for sure that my own here in Hungary resets every time the modem is reset or in 3-4 other cases (I use this to my benefit watching megavideo links), not everywhere is IP permanent, and even if it is someone else may post from your PC, this is not something a ban should be based on

And not all moderators are given the same abilities, so it's possible for him to not be able to read IPs.

[stepover12]

Stanley Woo wrote...

17thknight wrote...
Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

I have not commented on the issue at all, nor will I. I will notify the appropriate people tomorrow and hopefully, that will be the end of my involvement.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

I can not, or if I can, I haven't figured out how yet. Perhaps I'll have one of the other Moderators take me through a tutorial. It would make things so much easier in the future. Thank you.

Oooh, and after that tutorial the ban hammers will fall down like rain? I am terrified. ooohh...

Anyway, it would have been suffice to ban him from the forum if what you care about is protecting EA/Bioware reputation. But denying him access to the single player game he paid for? That is unnecessary and, to be honest, it backfired BIG TIME on EA/Bioware's reputation and public image.

[MColes]

epiccrabs wrote...

MColes wrote...

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

I love that there is actually no proof that vvare and v_vare are the same person. If you look at V_vare (The alleged ACTUAL account) he has no threads which have been locked, or forum posts that even seem inclined to being reportable. This whole bloody thing is probably faked, by some troll to cause issues for BioWare, since the game is selling and all the internet badasses realize that screwing with the metacritic user ratings doesn't mean, or do jack-all.

Stanley's not arguing the point at all. In fact, he flat-out said the company can and will do this to people. THAT'S the issue, that they can and will do this.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure the moderator of a forum can see people's IP addresses, and I'm pretty damn sure he could tell if they're the same person in about 3 clicks of a mouse.

Stanley's not arguing ANY point.  He posted nothing but facts relavent to the thread, and linked to the TOS.  He never said "You were banned cause.." or "You can't play, because.."  He highlighted reasons it MIGHT have happened, and asked the poster to contact him in PM.  That is frankly, helpful.  People are assuming things, based on no concrete evidence.  For all we know, vvare is playing Dragon Age 2 RIGHT NOW, and is too damn busy to come check the forums and lol@ all the trolls.  If you even KNEW v_vare at all, you'd know he HATES trolls, and this entire thread would disgust him. 

Your head sure is thick even if several replies are given to you. The problem here is the fact that they CAN AND WILL ban you for something you bought. To quote the quote again from another poster  
Indeed. Everyone defending this action must think it would be acceptable for Sony to show up at your house and take away your television after you bought it; GM to come take away your car after you paid for it; and for Coke to come stomach pump you and take back their soda after you drank it.

Even you can't deny that this policy is indeed wrong and not morally right.

Morality has nothing to do with it, it's a question of ethics.  And frankly, on the back of the box, (And on the back of A LOT of boxes these days, most game companies have it) that online activation, and registration is required.  It doesn't try to hide that fact.  Also, the only REAL issue, is that if the poster wants it on the account that was suspended. 

He could just very well create another account, and he'd be fine and dandy, playing the game. 

[Stanley Woo]

Again, let's please keep the insults and name-calling out of the discussion if you wish this conversation to continue.

[17thknight]

Lacan2 wrote...

There won't be a lawsuit. That's not realistic or helpful.

But EA can salvage some credibility if they reverse this, or otherwise it will be a big ****storm that goes viral. It won't just be 2nd rate websites that pick up on it, it will be places like IGN and Gamespot. If EA tries to defend it and it's seen to be a consumer rights issue, it could make it into some place like the NYT or USA Today, which would go beyond anything at gaming websites.

EA/Bioware doesn't want that at all.

Indeed. Very well said.

PR is important because you can NEVER tell what will explode. Look at that viral video the guy with the Verizon bill (where the customer service people couldn't tell the difference between 1 cent and 1/100th of a cent). That began as a vlog, and it ended up on the fron page of the NYT (he did get his money back :3) .

PR is vital to any company, but you're 100% correct, calls for lawsuits are silly, as they wouldn't go anywhere, and would hardly be worth the cost or effort.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Lacan2 wrote...

There won't be a lawsuit. That's not realistic or helpful.

But EA can salvage some credibility if they reverse this, or otherwise it will be a big ****storm that goes viral. It won't just be 2nd rate websites that pick up on it, it will be places like IGN and Gamespot. If EA tries to defend it and it's seen to be a consumer rights issue, it could make it into some place like the NYT or USA Today, which would go beyond anything at gaming websites.

EA/Bioware doesn't want that at all.

Its already on the gamespot forums I believe but someone should really tell ign.

[Lizardmanl0k0]

epiccrabs wrote...

Insaner Robot wrote...

His account was banned for 72 hours, he can't play DA2 because he needs to activate it with his account while it's banned.
His other games still work he just can't activate the DLC in game because for the duration of his ban he's unable to login.

So he should be able to activate his game when his ban has ended after three days. He is not prevented from playing DA:O Awakening or ME2 as these can be played without logging in to your account. And would probably be able to DA2 without the exta content from DLC if his ban occured after activation.

To cut a long story short, after his ban has ended he should logically be able to activate his game and play normally with all his DLC.

And to cut a short story short, because of EA's stupid policy it erupted into a flamefest on the forums, with the biodrones and eaf*gs on the red corner and people who are not turning a blind eye on the blue corner.

Shh, keep it down man.
Or else it could be
THE END OF THE LINE.

[StingingVelvet]

LeviathanZero wrote...

StingingVelvet wrote...
Well it's a serious mistake on your part (or your parent company's part) so, without being insulting, you kind of deserve to work overtime on it.

Seriously, is there a reason to be rude to the poor guy? Regardless of if the ban was warrented or not, regarless of if it's going to be bad PR, and regardless of yours and my personal opinions on the workings and shortcomings of EA/Bioware policy, there's no reason to shoot the messenger.
Those of us in customer service/IT support and similar areas get this all the time. Blame and responsibility for decisions that are neither our fault, nor something we have the authority to deal with.

Disagree with the policy and situation as much as you like, but don't tell the poor community rep that it's his responsibility to work overtime and deal with the mess that's likely far above his authority.

How was I rude?  All I said was this is the kind of issue where a community rep will have to work overtime on it.  Avoiding bad PR for one thing.

[CrimsonKumiho]

So everyone voicing their opinion has read the EA terms of service and highlighted the corruption I take it? This thread is getting very redundant and I've been reading on since the beginning.

[17thknight]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, let's please keep the insults and name-calling out of the discussion if you wish this conversation to continue.

Not trying to be a dick, but go home and get some sleep dude

[Esau_of_Isaac]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, let's please keep the insults and name-calling out of the discussion if you wish this conversation to continue.

Could you please give some word on the situation? Discussion will essentially continue in circles without some information or statement on the event. It has been stated that this is more an EA action outside of Bioware's hands. If you could confirm this, I am sure many would direct their irritation in a more suitable location.

[joriandrake]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, let's please keep the insults and name-calling out of the discussion if you wish this conversation to continue.

I believe things will calm down if there is a public and official statement regarding the issue, and this time I myself am actually hoping for one as this is really important for various reasons.

[Oslegend]

Marionettetc wrote...


It's about attention and immaturity.

I'm honestly glad he got banned, I hope it's permanent.

I think in the case of a video game, it's ok to complain. Register and log complaints through the proper channels, the dev's do listen and will respond when you treat them like adults. However, acting like children with no self control, and using speech/behavior that would get you punched in the face IRL shouldn't be protected by the anonimity of the internet.

People really do need to grow up. Would you treat someone kindly, if you for example owned a pizza shop and they camped inside the dining room during lunch hours screaming how bad your food is? That would be ok? They have a business to run and it's just rude to slander them. Negative publicity can lose them money, and they care more about that than your individual rights. As they should.

And for emphasis, if you gate Bioware games so much - or just this one - why not just walk away from them and stop trolling forums for fans? What's that? Oh, that's right - then the spotlight wouldn't be on you and you wouldn't be able to validate your pathetic existance through negative reinforcement on a message board.

The pizza place owner can't take away half the slice of pizza the guy is eating however just because he's bad for business, he can kick him out sure, but he can't take back what the guy already bought.. And I wish someone punched me in the face in real life, I would be rich, verbal provocation doesn't justify assault. And people complain in hopes of change in the future. Your logic sucks. 

[Iwasdrunkbro]

17thknight wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, let's please keep the insults and name-calling out of the discussion if you wish this conversation to continue.

Not trying to be a dick, but go home and get some sleep dude

I think he finds this entertaining lol. I can picture him sitting there in a dark office eating a bag of doritos laughing talking to himself "yup this is bad"

[Oslegend]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, let's please keep the insults and name-calling out of the discussion if you wish this conversation to continue.

That won't prevent another thread from being made.. just saying. 

[MColes]

Oslegend wrote...

The pizza place owner can't take away half the slice of pizza the guy is eating however just because he's bad for business, he can kick him out sure, but he can't take back what the guy already bought..

Too bad they didn't take back his slice.  He still has it, physically in his hands.   But what they did do, is take away the knife and fork ( Just go with it, who eats pizza with a knife and fork ) that the restaurant owns.

[night0205]

Seriously, why would moderators stay late, even if they heavily involved in some... recent events? Are you people suppose to be online 24/7? There is a reason why people clock out.

[Stanley Woo]

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...
Could you please give some word on the situation?

The office is still closed, I'm still here to keep everything from exploding (which is easier now that I've left a thread open and those people posting racist caricatures and messages and wishing death on me have gone to bed), I'm still planning on notifying someone about the issue tomorrow morning, and this thread is still open.

EDIT: Sorry, I should have clarified that I've been home for a couple hours already, thanks for the concern.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 mars 2011 - 07:14 .

[Lacan2]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Lacan2 wrote...

There won't be a lawsuit. That's not realistic or helpful.

But EA can salvage some credibility if they reverse this, or otherwise it will be a big ****storm that goes viral. It won't just be 2nd rate websites that pick up on it, it will be places like IGN and Gamespot. If EA tries to defend it and it's seen to be a consumer rights issue, it could make it into some place like the NYT or USA Today, which would go beyond anything at gaming websites.

EA/Bioware doesn't want that at all.

Its already on the gamespot forums I believe but someone should really tell ign.

Oh sorry, I meant an actual Gamespot writer picking up on it and writing an article.

Once that happens, Bioware/EA comes dangerously close to it being picked up by some Wall Street Journal journalist or on the AP wire. I seriously doubt EA shareholders want such a minor problem with just one customer to become a PR debacle.

Modifié par Lacan2, 11 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[epiccrabs]

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Again, let's please keep the insults and name-calling out of the discussion if you wish this conversation to continue.

Could you please give some word on the situation? Discussion will essentially continue in circles without some information or statement on the event. It has been stated that this is more an EA action outside of Bioware's hands. If you could confirm this, I am sure many would direct their irritation in a more suitable location.

I second this statement. The fact that you are the forum moderator must have specific requirements passed for the job. I'm pretty sure you know the TOS of EA by heart dead or alive.

[Dragoonlordz]

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

Yes he does.

He thinks that if you put a political bumpersticker on your car that GM doesn't like they should have the right to remotely detonate a hidden explosive inside of the engine.

Telling others what it is I believe? Born that stupid or just dropped on your head as a baby?

The only person who knows what I believe is me and I am perfectly capable thank you very much of stating my own views.

Then I'll repeat myself:

Dragoonlordz, do you or do you not support banning an individual from use of already bought games because of an opinion of the game's developer/publisher?

If yes, you are a despicable and ignorant human being for supporting a malevolent business practice anyone with a brain would obviously work against. If no, you are at the least woefully misguided for defending a company despite such horrible behavior.

I believe it is right for a company to ban the use of its licensed product if the offense is of a very serious nature (which does not include me jumping to the assumption that what someone who makes a claim happens actually is the reason in this case), unless you realise the report function on the Bioware forums actually do more than just report bad language or bad mouthing a product or company they actually contain very and I mean VERY serious issues in the report list from grooming to hate speech to terrorism posts. All SW did was point people to the TOC and the fact Bioware can ban from the forums and EA can ban from the game which is done via the reporting tool.

As for what the real report was about neither you know and neither do I but I won't jump to the defense of someone who I do not not for fact is telling the truth. With the report function some of those things you could be reported for shouldn't stop with a ban but should involve a custodial sentence.

If thats a yes then I really don't care how self righteous you think you are that this black and white world you live in is so crystal clear that you proclaim me to be the reincarnation of satan or likes of. Like I said if this is such an offense to your very existance be sure to voice such with your wallet. In both your scenarios you claim that whether I said yes or no I'm ignorant or misguided, I suggest you crawl out this glass bubble of yours and go out into the real world.

[mordarwarlock]

Marionettetc wrote...

It's about attention and immaturity.

I'm honestly glad he got banned, I hope it's permanent.

are you seriously mentally ill?

I think in the case of a video game, it's ok to complain. Register and log complaints through the proper channels, the dev's do listen and will respond when you treat them like adults. However, acting like children with no self control, and using speech/behavior that would get you punched in the face IRL shouldn't be protected by the anonimity of the internet.


People really do need to grow up. Would you treat someone kindly, if you
for example owned a pizza shop and they camped inside the dining room
during lunch hours screaming how bad your food is? That would be ok?

he didn't act like he should receive an IRL punch to the face, his comment had no meaning, and it' snot comparable in any single way to any example you showed, as much as I'm assuming here, you are assuming just as worse, like he literally threatened to kill the GM and his family, he did not go to EA's HQ and started ranting, or burning the place, again, are you seriously ill?

They have a business to run and it's just rude to slander them. Negative publicity can lose them money, and they care more about that than your individual rights. As they should.

no wait, you are, seek mental help, right now

just with that statement you are literally saying it's ok for EA to not care about individual rights, heck, it should be ok for you for EA to hire an assassin and go to the guy's house and kill him, how much freaking extremist could you be?, individual rights should stand above everything, every single thing, who are you to say invidivual rights should not be care of?

again, seek mental help, you need it, desperately

And for emphasis, if you gate Bioware games so much - or just this one - why not just walk away from them and stop trolling forums for fans? What's that? Oh, that's right - then the spotlight wouldn't be on you and you wouldn't be able to validate your pathetic existance through negative reinforcement on a message board.

the statement goes both ways, if you care so little about this issue why just not walk away from it and stop posting on the thread altogether and trolling?, what's that?, oh that's right - then you wouldn't have the opportunity to spew so much psychopathic ramblings to validate your pathetic existance through negative reinforcement (yeah, YOU Are the one doing the habit) on a message board

Modifié par mordarwarlock, 11 mars 2011 - 07:22 .

[Oslegend]

MColes wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

The pizza place owner can't take away half the slice of pizza the guy is eating however just because he's bad for business, he can kick him out sure, but he can't take back what the guy already bought..

Too bad they didn't take back his slice.  He still has it, physically in his hands.   But what they did do, is take away the knife and fork ( Just go with it, who eats pizza with a knife and fork ) that the restaurant owns.

You can't reclaim the slice after it's purchased.. or if you wanted to you could perhaps buy it back from him. He no longer has a way to eat that pizza however, sort of like that one qunari... 

[CrimsonKumiho]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Esau_of_Isaac wrote...
Could you please give some word on the situation?

The office is still closed, I'm still here to keep everything from exploding (which is easier now that I've left a thread open and those people posting racist caricatures and messages and wishing death on me have gone to bed), I'm still planning on notifying someone about the issue tomorrow morning, and this thread is still open.

... It is tomorrow morning for me.