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[Xaltar81]

I think it may be time for a threadlock here. If you have issue with policy then go about it the right way. Email EA customer support, make a petition somewhere, whatever. Pointlessly posting over and over that this is wrong and shouldn't be allowed is not going to get noticed or heeded by EA.

[17thknight]

PretentiousCat wrote...

it's similar to going to McDonalds, waiting in line and saying you think the place is gross or w/e.
After you order, you sit down and can't open your BigMac box for 72 hours. The manager comes over and says you can't eat it for 3 days because he didn't like what you said.

On the bright side, your heart will thank you.

[MColes]

Oslegend wrote...

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

Guess what? They didn't take away his game, they refused authentication on their end.  He still has the product he paid for.  Lets hope he can get himself a return.

That's like selling someone a car without the engine and saying "Well you still have the car, you just can't use it, not our problem!"

good metaphor. *gives cookie*

Actually, it's more like the car, without the key.... because he got his license taken away for being a bad driver.  >=D

[Oslegend]

Illthar wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...

Illthar wrote...

Fissure wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

Or
"talking crap" in a forum, or chatroom. Calling a company a devil, so
you make it so the guy can't play his own  game. Are you all crazy.
That;'s gonna look good, he insults you so you ground him from playing
the game. Get over yourself EA, some people think your a **** company,
CRAP LIKE THAT IS WHY

Well I'm just gonna state my opinion in generall terms cause I know to little about this specific case.
OFCOURSE you CAN and SHOULD be able to limit a persons ability to play a game because of forum posts!
What many (young) people don't seem to understand today is that internet is no "do whatever you want, say anything, be an ass" playground without any consequenses whatever.

You don't have a "free to be a jerk" card because you're online!
Theres to many internet warriors out there who does'nt realise this, if they were face to face to someone they would NEVER have the cojones to act as they do online.

You can't be civil online on someone elses property? (as in Biowares social service), you might have to take the consequenses of yer actions. Fair and square imo.

This writing talks in general terms as I've stated.

Ok bro, next time you go somewhere and you get bad service, and complain (throwing a snide remark in there), not only do they kick you out, but as you're leaving they TAKE AWAY the product you paid for without refund.

I do not want to live on this planet anymore.

Ofcourse not!
Read again!
I'm talking in general terms.
If I go in to a store, scream and shout, behaving like an jerk, namecalling etc etc THEN I excpect to maybe get myself banned from that store.

For complaining in a civil maner? Ofcourse not! (not even if you do an sarcastic remark or two should that be the case imo. Everyone can be upset!)

Read my post again than you. There are more ways then one to complain.

banned sure, but they can't take away what you just bought from the store, that's your property, stop posting, you sound really irrational right now. 

[Illthar]

Oslegend wrote...

Illthar wrote...

Fissure wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

Or
"talking crap" in a forum, or chatroom. Calling a company a devil, so
you make it so the guy can't play his own  game. Are you all crazy.
That;'s gonna look good, he insults you so you ground him from playing
the game. Get over yourself EA, some people think your a **** company,
CRAP LIKE THAT IS WHY

Well I'm just gonna state my opinion in generall terms cause I know to little about this specific case.
OFCOURSE you CAN and SHOULD be able to limit a persons ability to play a game because of forum posts!
What many (young) people don't seem to understand today is that internet is no "do whatever you want, say anything, be an ass" playground without any consequenses whatever.

You don't have a "free to be a jerk" card because you're online!
Theres to many internet warriors out there who does'nt realise this, if they were face to face to someone they would NEVER have the cojones to act as they do online.

You can't be civil online on someone elses property? (as in Biowares social service), you might have to take the consequenses of yer actions. Fair and square imo.

This writing talks in general terms as I've stated.

I can walk into a sony store, call their products crap call them idiots. They however cannot just take away the tv I bought from them yesterday to "teach me a lesson" about not insulting them..

you sir are an idiot. 

Wow, just...wow....

[micheal001]

Deciding what is done or said is questionable when determined by people in this case a GM. IF the said GM was having a bad day and for the hell of it banned said person from forum and game over remark then the state of the GM comes into question.

The remark that got the person banned really isn't  at all offense and not a 3 day ban and access to games denied. Either way file a complaint and don't make excuses for the ban get to it and get it done. The ELUA is outdated and is over reaching at this point.

[Oslegend]

Illthar wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

Illthar wrote...

Fissure wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

Or
"talking crap" in a forum, or chatroom. Calling a company a devil, so
you make it so the guy can't play his own  game. Are you all crazy.
That;'s gonna look good, he insults you so you ground him from playing
the game. Get over yourself EA, some people think your a **** company,
CRAP LIKE THAT IS WHY

Well I'm just gonna state my opinion in generall terms cause I know to little about this specific case.
OFCOURSE you CAN and SHOULD be able to limit a persons ability to play a game because of forum posts!
What many (young) people don't seem to understand today is that internet is no "do whatever you want, say anything, be an ass" playground without any consequenses whatever.

You don't have a "free to be a jerk" card because you're online!
Theres to many internet warriors out there who does'nt realise this, if they were face to face to someone they would NEVER have the cojones to act as they do online.

You can't be civil online on someone elses property? (as in Biowares social service), you might have to take the consequenses of yer actions. Fair and square imo.

This writing talks in general terms as I've stated.

I can walk into a sony store, call their products crap call them idiots. They however cannot just take away the tv I bought from them yesterday to "teach me a lesson" about not insulting them..

you sir are an idiot. 

Wow, just...wow....

All you got to say? Because you know I'm right.. 

[Turnip Root]

I don't hate EA but they really should drop this policy of barring people from DLC because of forum activity.
It's not illegal but it is unethical. It just shows a lack of respect for consumers to do stuff like this.

[Goofy McCoy]

Marionettetc wrote...

Vile in the extreme? Sound the alarm, raise the banners! Someone can't check in their game for a few days! Let's all ignore what he did to recieve that punishment and trumpet how he's the victim.

You propose that whatever he stated was grounds for EA to remotely bar access to the product he purchased, likely PRE-Purchased, given the favors offered to people who go that route? Do you recongnize the slippery slope that type of action sits upon, and how easily it could be abused?

As no one here has the details of exactly what the damning offence was that sparked this, what would you propose as grounds for this level of intervention? Does saying something about an EA exec's mum warrant a day's suspension like this? I could go on, but really, most of us have already inferred the level of intrusion this policy is reported to wield  is enough to warrant real concern about where we spend our gaming dollars in the future.

Modifié par Goofy McCoy, 11 mars 2011 - 07:58 .

[joriandrake]

aaand here come the drums!

edit: why does embedding not work anymore? 

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 mars 2011 - 08:01 .

[colata]

fearful EULA

Also this kind of extreme ban would require abnormal amount of devotion to provoke someone i presume..

Modifié par colata, 11 mars 2011 - 08:02 .

[MColes]

alright, I'm leaving. But before I go, some people are saying it's because he insulted BioWare/EA.. It's because he used religion in his post, concerning Ea/BioWare. That's why he got the 3 day ban, not because he complained about the company. I mean looka round, how long have people been ****in' about the company. It's not that, it's someone reported a post he wrote, with a religious subject.

Good night, enjoy your arguing.

[17thknight]

MColes wrote...

Actually, it's more like the car, without the key.... because he got his license taken away for being a bad driver.  >=D

Government takes away licenses, not GM, Ford, or Chevy.

[Marionettetc]

17thknight wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...


You did insult me, you compared me to the NS party in regards to grammar and called me a jerk and petty.

That's not an insult? What world are you living in?

Lol, really now? You've never heard the phrase "Grammar N@zi"? You consider that a "personal insult"? 

Getting a bit hyperbolic, kid.

You do realize that, when saying "____ doesn't hold a candle to ____" people aren't literally referring to candles, yes? No? Alright, whatever.


And yes, typing in ANGRY CAPSLOCK that someone should use "you're" and not "your" is exceptionally petty. It also degrades your argument, severely. Do you study argumentation and rhetoric? You should. You sacrifice a good deal of Pathos when you do things like that.

Your whole post here is about ad-hominem. That's fine, I don't need to point out how that's the last resort of a failing argument. You have the nerve to talk about losing credibility within a discussion in the same breath. At least you're good for a laugh.

Since this is a social site I haven't been banned from, it's easy enough to ignore you.

[Oslegend]

MColes wrote...

alright, I'm leaving. But before I go, some people are saying it's because he insulted BioWare/EA.. It's because he used religion in his post, concerning Ea/BioWare. That's why he got the 3 day ban, not because he complained about the company. I mean looka round, how long have people been ****in' about the company. It's not that, it's someone reported a post he wrote, with a religious subject.

Good night, enjoy your arguing.

lol, that still doesn't change much. but ok. 

[MColes]

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

Actually, it's more like the car, without the key.... because he got his license taken away for being a bad driver.  >=D

Government takes away licenses, not GM, Ford, or Chevy.

I know, the last part was just to ****** you off.  But imagine, if Car companies stopped selling cars to ****ty drivers.  What a world it would be

[Insaner Robot]

In all these analogies let's try not to forget person B.
Person B, another forum member had to report person A with the red button for it to go to EA and suspension, instead of a Bioware moderator restricting forum access.
So it's not simply a case of the "big bad overlord" deciding to arbitrarily attempt to silence somebody. At least one other person had to take offence first.
I'm not saying don't hate, just hate where hate belongs.

[joe_sinister]

It's pretty distressing, the notion that a game company could possibly take away your ability to play a game that you already bought and own because they didn't like a remark you've made. Even more distressing however is the fact that there are some here that are defending such actions. I for one am not surprised by this, i saw it coming when EA got Bioware in the first place. EA will always be EA after all.

This is the same company who destroyed many a talented dev under their wing, the same company who bought the NFL license so no other game dev( 2K) could compete with Madden, the same company that wouldn't support the Dreamcast and was a big part of why it failed. Now we have this incident here.You know I find it odd that EA would be so sensitive over someone calling them "the devil", seeing as how they have done everything in their power to earn the title.

[MColes]

Oslegend wrote...

MColes wrote...

alright, I'm leaving. But before I go, some people are saying it's because he insulted BioWare/EA.. It's because he used religion in his post, concerning Ea/BioWare. That's why he got the 3 day ban, not because he complained about the company. I mean looka round, how long have people been ****in' about the company. It's not that, it's someone reported a post he wrote, with a religious subject.

Good night, enjoy your arguing.

lol, that still doesn't change much. but ok. 

Just argue the REAL point, not what some of these people are saying.  Trying to make it out like they banned him from his game, cause he was bad mouthing their company is just salacious, and ignorant. 

[Zanallen]

17thknight wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. The fact remains that he made a comment that someone felt was offensive enough to report him for. Someone at EA then felt that the comment warrented a ban. He still has the game. No one took it from him. At this point he can either wait out his three day ban and then play or hope to gain a refund on the product.

That's not a slippery slope argument, because I am not arguing "X will happen if Y occurs" "X is worse than Y".
(I study rhetoric, come at me on fallacies, bro).

The argument is this "His rights as a consumer are violated in this situation. Period. There is no if you let this happen then ______ worse thing will occur.

THIS situation, which we are describing, occurred. It is what is wrong. The end.

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

[jussyr]

17thknight wrote...

Not as painful as you might imagine.

They don't see a dime of preowned sales.

Ebay is your friend

...bless you.  Didn't think of that.



So I can still get ME3, albeit a little late, but The Old Republic with its monthly fees is out.

[17thknight]

MColes wrote...

I know, the last part was just to ****** you off.  But imagine, if Car companies stopped selling cars to ****ty drivers.  What a world it would be

Well, they do have the right to not sell someone a car if they don't want.
They just don't have the right to sell them the car and then not let them operate it.

(that would be nice)

[Oslegend]

I'm making a post directed at Marionettetc

I haven't paid attention to what you've been saying but you seem a bit crazy so I'll ask you some questions.

Do you think someone should have their property taken away just because they insult a company?

If I ~hid~ absurd terms in an agreement that are illegal should you still follow the agreement?

[joriandrake]

jussyr wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Not as painful as you might imagine.

They don't see a dime of preowned sales.

Ebay is your friend

...bless you.  Didn't think of that.



So I can still get ME3, albeit a little late, but The Old Republic with its monthly fees is out.

see the good side of it: probably by the time you get it atleast one patch or two has been released

[MColes]

17thknight wrote...

MColes wrote...

I know, the last part was just to ****** you off.  But imagine, if Car companies stopped selling cars to ****ty drivers.  What a world it would be

Well, they do have the right to not sell someone a car if they don't want.
They just don't have the right to sell them the car and then not let them operate it.

(that would be nice)

And I'm sure someone will give the guy a refund if he doesn't want to wait 3 days.