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[17thknight]

Zanallen wrote...

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

Using hyperbole is not a "slippery slope" argument.

And the overall point is that this can occur to anyone, anytime, simply because EA doesn't like something you say.

And neither you, nor EA, nor anyone has the right to strip someone of their personal property to "teach them common courtesy". That's an abhorrent infringement of his rights, no matter how small-scale.

The scale of the argument is irrelevant. He spent $60 on their product. They stripped him of access to it for something he said. That's wrong, period. There's no defending it unless you do not believe in consumer's rights.

[Oslegend]

Zanallen wrote...

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

That's a rather poor argument. The time is irrelevant, the time he chose to register his game is irrelevant, and just because you think that someone needs a lesson doesn't mean you have the power to issue that lesson legally. That's like saying, he insulted me, he needed a lesson so I beat him up! You're still going to jail. 

[PretentiousCat]

Zanallen wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. The fact remains that he made a comment that someone felt was offensive enough to report him for. Someone at EA then felt that the comment warrented a ban. He still has the game. No one took it from him. At this point he can either wait out his three day ban and then play or hope to gain a refund on the product.

That's not a slippery slope argument, because I am not arguing "X will happen if Y occurs" "X is worse than Y".
(I study rhetoric, come at me on fallacies, bro).

The argument is this "His rights as a consumer are violated in this situation. Period. There is no if you let this happen then ______ worse thing will occur.

THIS situation, which we are describing, occurred. It is what is wrong. The end.

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

You have just summed up all that is wrong within many consumers minds.
People have rights when they purchase a product.
He offended someone on a forum/online. Ban him from that.
DO NOT ban him from using a product for a set of time because big brother didn't like it.

[Mordaedil]

The way I see it, Bioware is doing you a favor, preventing you from playing their terrible game.

[AkiKishi]

My advice to all the armchair revoltionaries is this:

Return the game citing disagreement with the Electronic Terms and Conditions.
The store will likely object telling you that you opened the game.
Politely remind them that it is impossible to read said conditions without opening the game
and that they trump any sort of "store policy".
Write in VERY LARGE letters on your reason for return slip why you did it and encourage others
to do the same.
Once those start getting sent back en masse EA will have to take note even if you only manage to
return a 1000 or so copies out of millions. It still costs them.

[Goofy McCoy]

Zanallen wrote...
Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

Yes, blocking his ability to use the product he purchased should bring him right into line. He'll be sailing straight as an arrow after this, not one bit of resentment, nary a hard feeling.

All will be just smurfy in smurfville.

[Oslegend]

MColes wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

MColes wrote...

alright, I'm leaving. But before I go, some people are saying it's because he insulted BioWare/EA.. It's because he used religion in his post, concerning Ea/BioWare. That's why he got the 3 day ban, not because he complained about the company. I mean looka round, how long have people been ****in' about the company. It's not that, it's someone reported a post he wrote, with a religious subject.

Good night, enjoy your arguing.

lol, that still doesn't change much. but ok. 

Just argue the REAL point, not what some of these people are saying.  Trying to make it out like they banned him from his game, cause he was bad mouthing their company is just salacious, and ignorant. 

probably has happened before, you still can't ban someone from using a product they bought based on their behavior. 

[17thknight]

Goofy McCoy wrote...

Yes, blocking his ability to use the product he purchased should bring him right into line. He'll be sailing straight as an arrow after this, not one bit of resentment, nary a hard feeling.

All will be just smurfy in smurfville.

I don't know, I imagine he'll be smurfing smurfed this smurfing smurf smurfed up his smurfing game for some smurf he smurfed on a website just because the smurfs at smurf are smurfing smurfs.

[MicrosoftFreak98]

Well I'm just going to go ahead and say that if the individual's claims about his game being unplayable are true, then yes, he is in the right and the company he is supposedly responsible for upsetting (Electronic Arts, in this case) should certainly figure out that they shouldn't tie the DRM to forums in the future and give the guy a chance to activate his game.

However, if he's simply middling about for selfish and much maligned reasons, then I don't really care; this assumes, of course, that if such a flaw in the DRM existed, it would be promptly corrected. This is my stance on the matter.

The dude abides.

[Oslegend]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. The fact remains that he made a comment that someone felt was offensive enough to report him for. Someone at EA then felt that the comment warrented a ban. He still has the game. No one took it from him. At this point he can either wait out his three day ban and then play or hope to gain a refund on the product.

That's not a slippery slope argument, because I am not arguing "X will happen if Y occurs" "X is worse than Y".
(I study rhetoric, come at me on fallacies, bro).

The argument is this "His rights as a consumer are violated in this situation. Period. There is no if you let this happen then ______ worse thing will occur.

THIS situation, which we are describing, occurred. It is what is wrong. The end.

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

You have just summed up all that is wrong within many consumers minds.
People have rights when they purchase a product.
He offended someone on a forum/online. Ban him from that.
DO NOT ban him from using a product for a set of time because big brother didn't like it.

He actually didn't lol.

[Vollkeule]

i hope he has a pirated copy. what a epic fail in managment to treat a customer in this way... i never ever will recommend EA Games again...
ps: i do not know what he said or did. it is irrelevant

[Marionettetc]

Goofy McCoy wrote...

Marionettetc wrote...

Vile in the extreme? Sound the alarm, raise the banners! Someone can't check in their game for a few days! Let's all ignore what he did to recieve that punishment and trumpet how he's the victim.

You propose that whatever he stated was grounds for EA to remotely bar access to the product he purchased, likely PRE-Purchased, given the favors offered to people who go that route? Do you recongnize the slippery slope that type of action sits upon, and how easily it could be abused?

As no one here has the details of exactly what the damning offence was that sparked this, what would you propose as grounds for this level of intervention? Does saying something about an EA exec's mum warrant a day's suspension like this? I could go on, but really, most of us have already inferred the level of intrusion this policy is reported to wield  is enough to warrant real concern about where we spend our gaming dollars in the future.

EA isn't a dictatorship looking to slowly erode "civil liberties in some" sinister scheme bent on total domination of it's populace. I think your slippery slope argument is a bit premature at this point.

If you're spooked by this incident, by all means feel free to stop spending your money on the company. That has no bearing on the people who do want to pay for the games.

As for proposing what the threshold should be for punishment? I don't care to, it's not my job.

I would love for someone to file a suit against EA, and watch them get strong-armed out of court at the hands of a very rich coporation. That would be justice to me. The difference between myself and dissenters in this thread (perhaps I'm the dissenter considering the "almost unanimous" support for the banned guy?) is that I believe whether or not something is right or wrong, there is estabilished order and it's your choice to either accept that or attempt to change that in futility and real maturity comes in when deciding and picking your fights. I don't feel this is a fight he can or should win.

In the case of this video game, the guy getting banned for (X) and that affecting his ability to check his game in - I say good riddance. Maybe that will deter further people from abusing a social page meant for connection between fans of BioWare games. Whether or not he was treated in a heavy handed manner isn't the issue, only the results. I think too many people waive their supposed rights around as a shield from acting like decent human beings.

In his case, he got exactly what he deserved and I would even go further to say why not perma-ban him to make a point? And then totally blow him out of court when a feeble case is brought in with no financial backing.

Big business isn't always evil and wrong.

[Goofy McCoy]

17thknight wrote...

Goofy McCoy wrote...

Yes, blocking his ability to use the product he purchased should bring him right into line. He'll be sailing straight as an arrow after this, not one bit of resentment, nary a hard feeling.

All will be just smurfy in smurfville.

I don't know, I imagine he'll be smurfing smurfed this smurfing smurf smurfed up his smurfing game for some smurf he smurfed on a website just because the smurfs at smurf are smurfing smurfs.

I smurfing love you, man.

[Zanallen]

Oslegend wrote...

I can walk into a sony store, call their products crap call them idiots. They however cannot just take away the tv I bought from them yesterday to "teach me a lesson" about not insulting them..

you sir are an idiot. 

No, but they can kick you out of the store and ban you from receiving their services. Think of this as EA's version of that.

[Insaner Robot]

17thknight wrote...

Goofy McCoy wrote...

Yes, blocking his ability to use the product he purchased should bring him right into line. He'll be sailing straight as an arrow after this, not one bit of resentment, nary a hard feeling.

All will be just smurfy in smurfville.

I don't know, I imagine he'll be smurfing smurfed this smurfing smurf smurfed up his smurfing game for some smurf he smurfed on a website just because the smurfs at smurf are smurfing smurfs.

I don't know what's worse the fact that this has degraded to smurfing, or the fact that it made sense.

[Joshd21]

17thknight wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

Using hyperbole is not a "slippery slope" argument.

And the overall point is that this can occur to anyone, anytime, simply because EA doesn't like something you say.

And neither you, nor EA, nor anyone has the right to strip someone of their personal property to "teach them common courtesy". That's an abhorrent infringement of his rights, no matter how small-scale.

The scale of the argument is irrelevant. He spent $60 on their product. They stripped him of access to it for something he said. That's wrong, period. There's no defending it unless you do not believe in consumer's rights.

This is going to be my last post for the night.

They DID NOT strip him of access, since he never used his code. He can easily create another account(Which he has at least ten) and register the game under a new sn. However he does not want that. He wants to be able to register the game under the profile he has that was suspended. How EASY it would be to create a seperate account and register the game there. Therefore EA is not limiting him from playing the game. His own ego inflated is doing that by refusing to reigister the game anywhere else but his original account. Yet he has no problems creating troll threads by the dozens!

Also two wrong's do not make a right. How is this helping his cause by going on the website and bashing all it's users. All this situation and people will be not be existing in 2 days. It's TWO DAYS!, get over yourself and your self entitlement ego. Get over the fact you believe you are better then the other person, and stop with these troll threads. This communiy has had enough of him! for the most part we are cival, yet he is acting like a spoiled child on xmas day.

1. Nothing is stopping him from registering the code on a different account (Problem solved)

2. You make the rest of us look bad, sadly he has been on the site for at least ten hours. Yes that long! creating account after account making everyone look bad. ALL this over someone who he decided not to play the game for 2 days because he wont apply the code elsehwere? Get off your high horse seriously

[Oslegend]

Zanallen wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

I can walk into a sony store, call their products crap call them idiots. They however cannot just take away the tv I bought from them yesterday to "teach me a lesson" about not insulting them..

you sir are an idiot. 

No, but they can kick you out of the store and ban you from receiving their services. Think of this as EA's version of that.

No it's not? Services are different than goods. tv = copy of dragon age  services/store = forums. 

[jussyr]

Zanallen wrote...


No, but they can kick you out of the store and ban you from receiving their services. Think of this as EA's version of that.

No.  A forum ban is EA's version of that, and nobody's complaining about the existence of those.  I don't even particularly care what reason, if any, they have for banning people from posting - their forum, their rules.  But preventing someone from playing the game is unethical because it is purely punitive - his playing the game cannot possibly affect anyone on the forums or at EA.  The only possible reason to do such a thing is to silence criticism.

[Ozbaab]

Fissure wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

Or
"talking crap" in a forum, or chatroom. Calling a company a devil, so
you make it so the guy can't play his own  game. Are you all crazy.
That;'s gonna look good, he insults you so you ground him from playing
the game. Get over yourself EA, some people think your a **** company,
CRAP LIKE THAT IS WHY

I completly agree.
Idiots.

[Dragoonlordz]

Oslegend wrote...

lol, that still doesn't change much. but ok. 

The simple fact I have already pointed out to you that EA suspended him from registering his game (maybe the idiot should have registered before flaming the company he bought it from, or whever he in reality did not his 'version' of what happened), so why are you on Bioware forums complaining about something they did not actually do? That's right because Bioware actually don't ban you for merely making flamebait comments like you have done all through this thread all night.

You want to act all high and mighty and fight a war of virtues based on your own sense of justice by all means go ahead and do so but do it in the right place... You got beef with EA go to EA and complain, if you feel wronged and think you have any legal recourse by all means go to courts get proven right or wrong and I don't think matters and why?

Because sure is nice to hide behind a computer screen shouting "OH dear god! How the world has wrong me or my fellow man! I must spam Biowares forum for the next 24 hours along with my friend 17th, as opposed to doing something worth while with your life such as go out donate some $ to save starving children in Africa or help an old lady across the street." Hell even have a shower which I doubt you have had in weeks because you seem the sort of person with so much bottled up rage you cannot leave the computer incase someone posts something you can retaliate against.

If this is the biggest issue in your life and must spend the next 24 hours spamming the wrong place about it you need to take a good long look at how sad your existance really is. You may have had any form of ground to stand on if YOU was the person who was affected but no your just some guy hiding behind a screen shouting "Curse you EA! Life isn't fair and I must put this right".

Whether or not some people think I'm being harsh in some of my responses or even an idiot, I really don't care I'm not going to lose and sleep over it or shed a tear. You need to grow up and get over it because believe it or not nothing your doing here will change the basic structure of any EULAs or TOS they will not change policies and no revolution is going to take place no matter how loudly you bark with no bite. 

Goodnight enjoy ranting more...

[Zanallen]

17thknight wrote...

Using hyperbole is not a "slippery slope" argument.

And the overall point is that this can occur to anyone, anytime, simply because EA doesn't like something you say.

And neither you, nor EA, nor anyone has the right to strip someone of their personal property to "teach them common courtesy". That's an abhorrent infringement of his rights, no matter how small-scale.

The scale of the argument is irrelevant. He spent $60 on their product. They stripped him of access to it for something he said. That's wrong, period. There's no defending it unless you do not believe in consumer's rights.

No, no it can't happen at any time to anyone. It happened because the guy made a post that someone found offensive and reported him. An official then reviewed the post and deemed it actionable due to the set terms of use. And no one has stripped him of his personal property. He can play the game in three days or else he can attempt to return the game and reclaim his money. Once again, if he had registered the game and played it before he began to mouth off about it, there wouldn't be an issue.

[Torpedic]

"There are no refunds for games published by Electronic Arts." - impulse driven

sonofa****

[AkiKishi]

Joshd21 wrote...
This is going to be my last post for the night.

They DID NOT strip him of access, since he never used his code. He can easily create another account(Which he has at least ten) and register the game under a new sn. However he does not want that. He wants to be able to register the game under the profile he has that was suspended. How EASY it would be to create a seperate account and register the game there. Therefore EA is not limiting him from playing the game. His own ego inflated is doing that by refusing to reigister the game anywhere else but his original account. Yet he has no problems creating troll threads by the dozens!

Also two wrong's do not make a right. How is this helping his cause by going on the website and bashing all it's users. All this situation and people will be not be existing in 2 days. It's TWO DAYS!, get over yourself and your self entitlement ego. Get over the fact you believe you are better then the other person, and stop with these troll threads. This communiy has had enough of him! for the most part we are cival, yet he is acting like a spoiled child on xmas day.

1. Nothing is stopping him from registering the code on a different account (Problem solved)

2. You make the rest of us look bad, sadly he has been on the site for at least ten hours. Yes that long! creating account after account making everyone look bad. ALL this over someone who he decided not to play the game for 2 days because he wont apply the code elsehwere? Get off your high horse seriously

Overlooking one thing, all bonuses etc. are tied to a specific account.

People really need to realise what they are signing up for. Like how you give EA permission to install spyware on your system for the purpose of data gathering.

[Oslegend]

Joshd21 wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

Using hyperbole is not a "slippery slope" argument.

And the overall point is that this can occur to anyone, anytime, simply because EA doesn't like something you say.

And neither you, nor EA, nor anyone has the right to strip someone of their personal property to "teach them common courtesy". That's an abhorrent infringement of his rights, no matter how small-scale.

The scale of the argument is irrelevant. He spent $60 on their product. They stripped him of access to it for something he said. That's wrong, period. There's no defending it unless you do not believe in consumer's rights.

This is going to be my last post for the night.

They DID NOT strip him of access, since he never used his code. He can easily create another account(Which he has at least ten) and register the game under a new sn. However he does not want that. He wants to be able to register the game under the profile he has that was suspended. How EASY it would be to create a seperate account and register the game there. Therefore EA is not limiting him from playing the game. His own ego inflated is doing that by refusing to reigister the game anywhere else but his original account. Yet he has no problems creating troll threads by the dozens!

Also two wrong's do not make a right. How is this helping his cause by going on the website and bashing all it's users. All this situation and people will be not be existing in 2 days. It's TWO DAYS!, get over yourself and your self entitlement ego. Get over the fact you believe you are better then the other person, and stop with these troll threads. This communiy has had enough of him! for the most part we are cival, yet he is acting like a spoiled child on xmas day.

1. Nothing is stopping him from registering the code on a different account (Problem solved)

2. You make the rest of us look bad, sadly he has been on the site for at least ten hours. Yes that long! creating account after account making everyone look bad. ALL this over someone who he decided not to play the game for 2 days because he wont apply the code elsehwere? Get off your high horse seriously

You would potentially lose several benefits from that not to mention possible leftover dlc credits. 

[joriandrake]

Ozbaab wrote...

Fissure wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

Or
"talking crap" in a forum, or chatroom. Calling a company a devil, so
you make it so the guy can't play his own  game. Are you all crazy.
That;'s gonna look good, he insults you so you ground him from playing
the game. Get over yourself EA, some people think your a **** company,
CRAP LIKE THAT IS WHY

I completly agree.
Idiots.

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