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[joe_sinister]

jussyr wrote...

Zanallen wrote...


No, but they can kick you out of the store and ban you from receiving their services. Think of this as EA's version of that.

No.  A forum ban is EA's version of that, and nobody's complaining about the existence of those.  I don't even particularly care what reason, if any, they have for banning people from posting - their forum, their rules.  But preventing someone from playing the game is unethical because it is purely punitive - his playing the game cannot possibly affect anyone on the forums or at EA.  The only possible reason to do such a thing is to silence criticism.

Agreed. I can't understand how some people are not getting this.....

[Zanallen]

PretentiousCat wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. The fact remains that he made a comment that someone felt was offensive enough to report him for. Someone at EA then felt that the comment warrented a ban. He still has the game. No one took it from him. At this point he can either wait out his three day ban and then play or hope to gain a refund on the product.

That's not a slippery slope argument, because I am not arguing "X will happen if Y occurs" "X is worse than Y".
(I study rhetoric, come at me on fallacies, bro).

The argument is this "His rights as a consumer are violated in this situation. Period. There is no if you let this happen then ______ worse thing will occur.

THIS situation, which we are describing, occurred. It is what is wrong. The end.

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

You have just summed up all that is wrong within many consumers minds.
People have rights when they purchase a product.
He offended someone on a forum/online. Ban him from that.
DO NOT ban him from using a product for a set of time because big brother didn't like it.

Yes, people do have rights. However, there are also rules that one must abide by else you impinge on the rights of others. He offended someone enough to warrant an account-wide ban. Is he not able to create a new account, something that seems easy enough to accomplish, and then register the game with that one?

[Oslegend]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

lol, that still doesn't change much. but ok. 

The simple fact I have already pointed out to you that EA suspended him from registering his game (maybe the idiot should have registered before flaming the company he bought it from, or whever he in reality did not his 'version' of what happened), so why are you on Bioware forums complaining about something they did not actually do? That's right because Bioware actually don't ban you for merely making flamebait comments like you have done all through this thread all night.

You want to act all high and mighty and fight a war of virtues based on your own sense of justice by all means go ahead and do so but do it in the right place... You got beef with EA go to EA and complain, if you feel wronged and think you have any legal recourse by all means go to courts get proven right or wrong and I don't think matters and why?

Because sure is nice to hide behind a computer screen shouting "OH dear god! How the world has wrong me or my fellow man! I must spam Biowares forum for the next 24 hours along with my friend 17th, as opposed to doing something worth while with your life such as go out donate some $ to save starving children in Africa or help an old lady across the street." Hell even have a shower which I doubt you have had in weeks because you seem the sort of person with so much bottled up rage you cannot leave the computer incase someone posts something you can retaliate against.

If this is the biggest issue in your life and must spend the next 24 hours spamming the wrong place about it you need to take a good long look at how sad your existance really is. You may have had any form of ground to stand on if YOU was the person who was affected but no your just some guy hiding behind a screen shouting "Curse you EA! Life isn't fair and I must put this right".

Whether or not some people think I'm being harsh in some of my responses or even an idiot, I really don't care I'm not going to lose and sleep over it or shed a tear. You need to grow up and get over it because believe it or not nothing your doing here will change the basic structure of any EULAs or TOS they will not change policies and no revolution is going to take place no matter how loudly you bark with no bite. 

Goodnight enjoy ranting more...

Didn't even want to read that, still did, and my conclusion remains the same, you are disillusional and metally handicapped at best, I pity anyone that is associated with you in real life. 

[jussyr]

Zanallen wrote...


Yes, people do have rights. However, there are also rules that one must abide by else you impinge on the rights of others. He offended someone enough to warrant an account-wide ban. Is he not able to create a new account, something that seems easy enough to accomplish, and then register the game with that one?

He could also get around this by renting the game, or pirating it, or going over to a friend's house and playing it.  The point is that he shouldn't have to because this should never have happened in the first place.

[Oslegend]

Zanallen wrote...

PretentiousCat wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Zanallen wrote...
Slippery slope arguments are stupid. The fact remains that he made a comment that someone felt was offensive enough to report him for. Someone at EA then felt that the comment warrented a ban. He still has the game. No one took it from him. At this point he can either wait out his three day ban and then play or hope to gain a refund on the product.

That's not a slippery slope argument, because I am not arguing "X will happen if Y occurs" "X is worse than Y".
(I study rhetoric, come at me on fallacies, bro).

The argument is this "His rights as a consumer are violated in this situation. Period. There is no if you let this happen then ______ worse thing will occur.

THIS situation, which we are describing, occurred. It is what is wrong. The end.

You are purposely exaggerating the issue and using overt sensationalism. No one is busting into people's houses and taking their stuff. The facts are:
1. User 1 makes a post.
2. User 2 finds said post offensive.
3. User 2 reports User 1.
4. EA official reads report and finds post actionable.
5. EA official places three day ban on User 1's account.

The unfortunate conclusion of this is that the guy is now unable to play his game for three days. Boo freakin' hoo. If he had registered his game ahead of time, then this wouldn't be an issue. EA is not preventing the person from playing his games. They have locked out his account from registering games. Can he not create a new account and register the game under that? Personally, I find that the majority of people on the internet could use a lesson in common courtesy and etiquette. Perhaps this is that person's lesson.

You have just summed up all that is wrong within many consumers minds.
People have rights when they purchase a product.
He offended someone on a forum/online. Ban him from that.
DO NOT ban him from using a product for a set of time because big brother didn't like it.

Yes, people do have rights. However, there are also rules that one must abide by else you impinge on the rights of others. He offended someone enough to warrant an account-wide ban. Is he not able to create a new account, something that seems easy enough to accomplish, and then register the game with that one?

could potentially hinder the gaming experience that you get... like I got the blood dragon armor from having DAO registered, if he made a new account he wouldnt recieve it. Things like that, they're not big but add up. 

[Oslegend]

jussyr wrote...

Zanallen wrote...


Yes, people do have rights. However, there are also rules that one must abide by else you impinge on the rights of others. He offended someone enough to warrant an account-wide ban. Is he not able to create a new account, something that seems easy enough to accomplish, and then register the game with that one?

He could also get around this by renting the game, or pirating it, or going over to a friend's house and playing it.  The point is that he shouldn't have to because this should never have happened in the first place.

And then gaming companies remain confused as to why people pirate games.. 

[Garak2]

Insaner Robot wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Insaner Robot wrote...

Whilst I fully agree if he was permanently unable to play his game that would be huge cause for concern. He currently is only banned and unable to activate it for three days.

There's also the fact that everybody on these forums has agreed to abide by certain codes of conduct as outlined in the EA terms of service here: tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBTERMS/US/en/PC/

Whether you read it or not they still apply (incidentally I would reccomend reading it). It took a few minutes of my life and does seem overly harsh, but it's always best to know where you stand in any regard.

Well, if you want play your game don't you HAVE to agree to it?

Sorry, it seems I wasn't clear as I was trying to be, my apologies.
I merely meant to imply that not everybody goes to the trouble of reading the terms of service and just skip it and agree.
Yes you do HAVE to agree but not everybody reads it, I was just trying to suggest everybody should take the time to read it if they haven't already.

Also just to be clear I'm neither on the side of EA or the forum member who was banned. I'm just trying to contribute to the discussion in a rational manner.

Does reading it change anything? No. It does waste your time and give you a headache. You still have to click I agee or not play your game (at which it's open and you can't return it).

[passionata]

Still arguing I see I gonna go and get some sleep now that my Signature Edition arrived and is installed and activated. I am pretty sure when I get up in about 6-8h there will be an official statement on this matter (after 9am here this thread luckily kept me up else I might not have heard Mr. Postman).

*casts sleep on self*

[Zanallen]

jussyr wrote...

He could also get around this by renting the game, or pirating it, or going over to a friend's house and playing it.  The point is that he shouldn't have to because this should never have happened in the first place.

And personally I feel that this is an oversight that will be fixed in the morning. However, I don't much care one way or the other about this guy or his account. He did something that got him banned. Expect punishment if you break the rules. No one is preventing him from playing the game. At best, he loses access to a few DLC weapons and armor.

[DND_Enkil]

joe_sinister wrote...

jussyr wrote...

Zanallen wrote...


No, but they can kick you out of the store and ban you from receiving their services. Think of this as EA's version of that.

No.  A forum ban is EA's version of that, and nobody's complaining about the existence of those.  I don't even particularly care what reason, if any, they have for banning people from posting - their forum, their rules.  But preventing someone from playing the game is unethical because it is purely punitive - his playing the game cannot possibly affect anyone on the forums or at EA.  The only possible reason to do such a thing is to silence criticism.

Agreed. I can't understand how some people are not getting this.....

Yeah, this just seem like a punishment for delivering critisism they do not feel is warranted. There is no reason for banning anyone from accessing his game, and the fact that they are doing just that is wrong on so many levels...

[this isnt my name]

I would voice my oppinions, but I like playing my games...

[Oslegend]

Zanallen wrote...

jussyr wrote...

He could also get around this by renting the game, or pirating it, or going over to a friend's house and playing it.  The point is that he shouldn't have to because this should never have happened in the first place.

And personally I feel that this is an oversight that will be fixed in the morning. However, I don't much care one way or the other about this guy or his account. He did something that got him banned. Expect punishment if you break the rules. No one is preventing him from playing the game. At best, he loses access to a few DLC weapons and armor.

still property that he could have potentially bought. 

[Oslegend]

this isnt my name wrote...

I would voice my oppinions, but I like playing my games...

Go ahead, you can always go to your bank and tell them ea stole $60 from you. 

[Joy-Energiser]

Thank you EA/Bioware, you have just helped me make up my mind about whether I was going to purchase DA:2 or get the cracked version from the LAN I am going to this weekend due to your actions with regards to preventing this person from accessing his game due to comments made.

I really appreciate it.

[Zanallen]

Oslegend wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

jussyr wrote...

He could also get around this by renting the game, or pirating it, or going over to a friend's house and playing it.  The point is that he shouldn't have to because this should never have happened in the first place.

And personally I feel that this is an oversight that will be fixed in the morning. However, I don't much care one way or the other about this guy or his account. He did something that got him banned. Expect punishment if you break the rules. No one is preventing him from playing the game. At best, he loses access to a few DLC weapons and armor.

still property that he could have potentially bought. 

He didn't buy any of the promotional DLC weapons and items. At best, he received them as incentive for purchasing other items, items he still has access to.

[Oslegend]

Joy-Energiser wrote...

Thank you EA/Bioware, you have just helped me make up my mind about whether I was going to purchase DA:2 or get the cracked version from the LAN I am going to this weekend due to your actions with regards to preventing this person from accessing his game due to comments made.

I really appreciate it.

The only thing keeping people from pirating games is wanting to support he studios, when people no longer want to support studios, this happens. 

[jussyr]

Zanallen wrote...

And personally I feel that this is an oversight that will be fixed in the morning. However, I don't much care one way or the other about this guy or his account. He did something that got him banned. Expect punishment if you break the rules. No one is preventing him from playing the game. At best, he loses access to a few DLC weapons and armor.

I agree; EA would be foolish not to fix this.  But I don't agree that the punishment is reasonable, or even that a company should be in the business of punishing people at all.  Limit their access if they're abusing it, sure, but access to the forum has the potential to impact others' experience in the way access to the game doesn't.  And losing access to DLC isn't any better, if they're items he paid for/can't get on the other account.

[Oslegend]

Zanallen wrote...

Oslegend wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

jussyr wrote...

He could also get around this by renting the game, or pirating it, or going over to a friend's house and playing it.  The point is that he shouldn't have to because this should never have happened in the first place.

And personally I feel that this is an oversight that will be fixed in the morning. However, I don't much care one way or the other about this guy or his account. He did something that got him banned. Expect punishment if you break the rules. No one is preventing him from playing the game. At best, he loses access to a few DLC weapons and armor.

still property that he could have potentially bought. 

He didn't buy any of the promotional DLC weapons and items. At best, he received them as incentive for purchasing other items, items he still has access to.

I could probably come up with something clever but I am tired. 

[Goofy McCoy]

Marionettetc wrote...
In his case, he got exactly what he deserved and I would even go further to say why not perma-ban him to make a point? And then totally blow him out of court when a feeble case is brought in with no financial backing.

Big business isn't always evil and wrong.

No, not always, but quite often it's at least one, and hard at work towards achieving the other.

Short of your having some special insight to the offence in question, your acceptance, even passionate encouragement of this kind of exchange from a position of ignorance is rather absurd. You assume much about his use of this forum, take a rather limited view on this forum's purpose and use, and use your dim view of "many people" as justification for accepting the mistreatment of a paying customer by EA.

[Zanallen]

jussyr wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

And personally I feel that this is an oversight that will be fixed in the morning. However, I don't much care one way or the other about this guy or his account. He did something that got him banned. Expect punishment if you break the rules. No one is preventing him from playing the game. At best, he loses access to a few DLC weapons and armor.

I agree; EA would be foolish not to fix this.  But I don't agree that the punishment is reasonable, or even that a company should be in the business of punishing people at all.  Limit their access if they're abusing it, sure, but access to the forum has the potential to impact others' experience in the way access to the game doesn't.  And losing access to DLC isn't any better, if they're items he paid for/can't get on the other account.

But the fact remains that denying him access to the game is most likey not intended. If the user had registered the game before making reportable comments then he would still be playing the game. Of course, instead of going to rational route and speaking with moderators directly, he decided to spam the forum, whine and threaten piracy in an attempt to incite other forumgoers to defend him. Its ridiculous.

[Oslegend]

Zanallen wrote...

attempt to incite other forumgoers to defend him. Its ridiculous.

it worked...

[Zanallen]

Goofy McCoy wrote...

No, not always, but quite often it's at least one, and hard at work towards achieving the other.

Short of your having some special insight to the offence in question, your acceptance, even passionate encouragement of this kind of exchange from a position of ignorance is rather absurd. You assume much about his use of this forum, take a rather limited view on this forum's purpose and use, and use your dim view of "many people" as justification for accepting the mistreatment of a paying customer by EA.

Look, there are two forms of banning here. A moderator can institute a one day ban to an account. Or EA can institute a 3 day ban to the account as a whole. The second requires a report by a separate user and is regulated by an EA official. Now, the mod ban is ineffectual at best. The EA ban is basically an increase in punishment. Personally, I would like to see a 3 day IP ban instituted somewhere in between the two currently available choices.

[Zanallen]

Oslegend wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

attempt to incite other forumgoers to defend him. Its ridiculous.

it worked...

Yes. But that doesn't make it the correct choice. It comes across as throwing a tantrum. Plus, it is laughably easy to get the members here worked up over the most asinine of issues.

[jussyr]

Zanallen wrote...

But the fact remains that denying him access to the game is most likey not intended. If the user had registered the game before making reportable comments then he would still be playing the game. Of course, instead of going to rational route and speaking with moderators directly, he decided to spam the forum, whine and threaten piracy in an attempt to incite other forumgoers to defend him. Its ridiculous.

Probably not, and that's the only reason I'm not especially upset about this and going out to return DA2.  It's still something EA needs to fix; it's not his responsibility to work around their poor implementation, it's theirs to sort this out so they're not even giving the appearance of restricting access to games based on forum posts.  Bad for their image, if nothing else.



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Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 mars 2011 - 08:59 .