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[DJBare]

Kovnic wrote...
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Is it right that the suspension also includes access to Paid for DLC, and by association the game saves that use them? 
- Again, we dont know the whole story. For example, did EA know that DLC would be suspended along with his account or was it an unfortunate side effect that they were unaware of? Mr. Woo posted the TOS and simply
stated what was written in there already, that the TOS states DLC is within their power to control. That does not mean that in this case  it was the intentional result, but it DOES imply that they could do it if they want to.

You cannot be serious, they know how the accounts work, it's their system, or are you saying they are totally ignorant operators.
The game and DLC are tied to your account, ban that account and guess what happens?, it's not that complex, though I will accept they had a foolish operator that instigated the ban.

[marcbenigni]

LOL'd at your post, Joe Pilot. But I fear that - in another round of perfect irony - it will soon be gone.

[heman14]

I think this situation is a pretty odd set of circumstances, but I wholly agree that it's a totally ridiculous situation to find oneself in to start with. Glad I don't buy stuff from the EA store. And Bioware really should have thought a lot harder about who was buying them out.

[Dragoonlordz]

stryderkiller wrote...

Hey Bioware, you should really consider dealing with a more competent, down to earth, and trusting publisher, not the one who rushes you to release a sequel in an ungodly time period. Im not blaming Bioware for any of this as they have contracts with EA which they need to uphold, however im not letting them go off so easy either. Take example from ID Software, they switched from EA games to Zenimax/Bethesda and couldn't be more happier. Now theres comething I've always wanted to see my three favorite gaming dev under one roof, ID, Beth, and Bioware.

I might agree in sense I like Bethesda and Bioware (This current situation is with EA and not Bioware, others are just picking the easy target which happens to be the smaller company that is part of the actual big one that suspended this guy). But I think Beth and Bio hate each other don't they since wern't they part of the same company at one stage but one didn't like where other one was going with their games or something so they split?

[Thamathar]

Serius this is just .... a rly bad PR to Bioware, and for EA ... well its just another day.

Since Bioware was bought by EA, i all ways fear that stuff like this would start to hapen, and they have come true. Unfinish games, break apart a game and make them DLC, etc, etc ...

BUT now banning a person from playing their game its simple wrong, and at least were i live, its against the law. Banning from the forums, its ok, but from a game that he bought?

All over the world this is coming as a big of a shock Bioware doing this, here at Portugal, is being reported on many community forums.

[Killyox the Defender]

Its like with WoW goldsellers. It may be against EULA but it isnt illegal by law. They can ban you but they cant do anthing else.

[DJBare]

It's way too late now, just do a google search for banned dragon age 2 player, from this point damage control is going to be impossible, bad news spreads faster than good news, talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

I feel for Bioware, but have no sympathy whatsoever for EA.

[JoePilot]

marcbenigni wrote...

LOL'd at your post, Joe Pilot. But I fear that - in another round of perfect irony - it will soon be gone.

I'm sure it will, and like the guy lying in the pool of blood, I'm sure I'll be "dissappeared" along with it.  I honestly don't care anymore though.  I've lost so much respect for Bioware in the last few hours, it would be worth it to go out with a bang.

[Vierlein]

JoePilot wrote...

End of Line.

[Dragoonlordz]

Thamathar wrote...

Serius this is just .... a rly bad PR to Bioware, and for EA ... well its just another day.

Since Bioware was bought by EA, i all ways fear that stuff like this would start to hapen, and they have come true. Unfinish games, break apart a game and make them DLC, etc, etc ...

BUT now banning a person from playing their game its simple wrong, and at least were i live, its against the law. Banning from the forums, its ok, but from a game that he bought?

All over the world this is coming as a big of a shock Bioware doing this, here at Portugal, is being reported on many community forums.

Bioware didn't do it, so your forums in portugal are spreading the wrong information and I believe your exaggerating how big this issue is even on google the search only brings up the same forums its posted in since last night no new ones just gamespot forums, ng4, and few others, it was EA who suspended the guy. Like I said earlier this is no different than shooting the work colleagues of a criminal just by association.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 03:16 .

[Ebenezer]

It seems theres some new people to this story as they wake up and see it posted on many, many various gaming websites that dont quite know what the banned user said to get banned.

"Did Bioware sell their souls to the EA devil?" is what he said to get banned.

Regardless of who the ban came from, all sites make note of the snide way in which Stanley Woo handled the situation (End of Line)so the perception now has made him the poster boy and IMO only his removal as mod will even begin to help repair the damage done to Biowares reputation. Obviously though the far more important step is that action is taken to make sure this cannot happen again.

Fixing the crap that is DA2 ASAP also wouldnt hurt. DLC being ready for day 1 but patches not is as deplorable as this banning situation.

End of Line

Modifié par Ebenezer, 11 mars 2011 - 03:17 .

[Kovnic]

DJBare wrote...

You cannot be serious, they know how the accounts work, it's their system, or are you saying they are totally ignorant operators.
The game and DLC are tied to your account, ban that account and guess what happens?, it's not that complex, though I will accept they had a foolish operator that instigated the ban.

I assume they know how their accounts work, I wont make any claims as to what somone actually  knows, as that would be second guessing and foolish.

IF EA  knew this would happen with an account ban, then they brought it on themselves. IF EA didnt know the account ban would screw his games too, then..I would expect them to corrcet that mistake.  (and by EA - I mean whoever delt with this suspension case...)

I dont agree with what happend (the loss of his game access) and if you read my whole post (long I know, but meh) you would see I think the EULA and TOS agreements are a load of BS.

Modifié par Kovnic, 11 mars 2011 - 03:19 .

[JoePilot]

In related news:

Quote: In a recent email sent to their subscribers, representatives from RYG wrote:

Quote: We have CONFIRMED from testing that it [Dragon Age 2] DOES contain
SecuROM, and that it DOES leave files behind. We can also confirm that
nowhere on the package, in the EULA or on the Website for the game is
thee ANY mention of the inclusion of SecuROM. EA had been ordered by
the courts to disclose the use of SecuROM on any game that uses it. And
it is contradictory of what Bioware has been saying for the last 3
weeks.

In their report, RYG cites multiple areas of concern, including:
* Inconsistent information about DRM
* No EULA for SecuROM
* SecuROM files hidden from user
* SecuROM files not removed after online activation
* DRM removal tool not included; SecuROM remains even after user uninstalls game

http://vividgamer.co...-dragon-age-ii/


Chris Priestly wrote: Being discussed here: http://social.biowar...1/index/6194280
LOCKDOWN!
:evil:

In other words, you can discuss this... as long as you keep it to the
old DRM topic where nobody will see it unless they just now decided to
look up what type of DRM DA2 has.


[inappropriate image removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 mars 2011 - 05:09 .

[stryderkiller]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I might agree in sense I like Bethesda and Bioware (This current situation is with EA and not Bioware, others are just picking the easy target which happens to be the smaller company that is part of the actual big one that suspended this guy). But I think Beth and Bio hate each other don't they since wern't they part of the same company at one stage but one didn't like where other one was going with their games or something so they split?

You might be right on this Dragoonlordz im not too sure of thier history. Nevertheless I believe they should branch out of the EA iron curtain. Im open to discussion on this.

[TMZuk]

I simply don't belive it!

If this is true, then I have bought my LAST EA/Bioware game, period! No way I will support a company or companies that stoops to such methods! Furthermore, I have pm'ed the original poster in the original thread with a suggestion:

Since he payed in euros I assume he is within Europe. I suggested he contacted a lawyer, most European countries have free advisory services. I highly doubt this method is legal in Europe, and it is the sort of case that in most likelyhood will end up at the European court in Strassburg.

The reason why I am almost certain EA will loose badly at any court in Europe is that this is a form of cencorship that absolutely illegal! There is no way they can legally prevent people from using their property, for something they posted on the internet, EULA or not!

If I was on a car-site, and posted: Toyota sucks! and then experienced that my Toyota would refuse to run for 72 hours, well, all hell would break loose!

[Dragoonlordz]

TMZuk wrote...



I simply don't belive it!

If this is true, then I have bought my LAST EA/Bioware game, period! No way I will support a company or companies that stoops to such methods! Furthermore, I have pm'ed the original poster in the original thread with a suggestion:

Since he payed in euros I assume he is within Europe. I suggested he contacted a lawyer, most European countries have free advisory services. I highly doubt this method is legal in Europe, and it is the sort of case that in most likelyhood will end up at the European court in Strassburg.

The reason why I am almost certain EA will loose badly at any court in Europe is that this is a form of cencorship that absolutely illegal! There is no way they can legally prevent people from using their property, for something they posted on the internet, EULA or not!

If I was on a car-site, and posted: Toyota sucks! and then experienced that my Toyota would refuse to run for 72 hours, well, all hell would break loose!

Toyota doesn't suck tyvm  I own one and it the most reliable car I have ever owned (engine wise atleast) can't say the same about bodywork.

[_LordKain_]

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

[DJBare]

JoePilot wrote...

In related news:

Quote: In a recent email sent to their subscribers, representatives from RYG wrote:

Quote: We have CONFIRMED from testing that it [Dragon Age 2] DOES contain
SecuROM, and that it DOES leave files behind. We can also confirm that
nowhere on the package, in the EULA or on the Website for the game is
thee ANY mention of the inclusion of SecuROM. EA had been ordered by
the courts to disclose the use of SecuROM on any game that uses it. And
it is contradictory of what Bioware has been saying for the last 3
weeks.

I was not feeling happy about cancelling my pre-order, I really wanted(needed might be a better word) this game, but the brown stuff just keeps hitting the fan!

[TMZuk]

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

You could read the original post, mhm?

He got banned  from playing his game!!!! The game he has bought and payed for!

[DJBare]

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

Yeah, you missed the part where he could not register his paid for game.

[kosarev]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

After reading Stanley Woo's reply to the post yesterday I called EA and asked them directly.


I was informed that:
Yes they can and will ban an EA account and prevent access to your content. But before they do so they will have given you several warnings and someone has to be pretty blatantly offensive for them to bring the account ban hammer down.

On the one hand it just seems to be way too much like a -Big Brother-hammer.

On the other hand the ones who get banned most likely have only themselves to blame for letting things get so far.

After all we all "Signed" the EULA and agreed to follow it which "allows" EA to do exactly what they say they will.

The moral of the whole thing, to me, is to either never buy another EA game (not going this route personally) or to use a bit of logic, common sense and respect while communicating on the forums, in chat or in game. (And shouldn't we all do that anyway?)

Bottom line is that there is no big conspiracy going on and the EA rep that I spoke with laid it out really simply with a "Yes. Will will do this. But someone has to be a really bad apple on multiple occasions before we do and, even then, they can make another account and get things straightened out eventually."

I'm a little perplexed about someone getting DLC and other things that are, to my understanding, tied to your account "straightened out eventually" on another account but, meh, don't get yourself into the mess in the first place and you never have to worry about it.

Technically, the EULA isnt worth a ****. If its against customer laws, the lawsuit is won.

[Dragoonlordz]

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

Yes it was 1 random person got suspended from activating his game for 72 hours, because of his actions online though no proof as to what those actions really was only have his word for it. Pretty much sums it up. Personally I thin the guy should have put a little more effort by registering his game before going off ranting about the companies via religous references if that is as he says is what got him suspended for 72 hours from registering.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 03:29 .

[sirfouytr]

Banning a player from playing a game he just bought because you don't like what he's saying ?

Utterly ridiculous, shameful - and shocking PR. Way to interact with the community BW *slow clap*.

In my opinion, the only acceptable response to this shameful debacle is for BW to publish a public apology to Arno, reverse the ban, and for EA to remove this fascist policy immediately.

[_LordKain_]

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

You could read the original post, mhm?

He got banned  from playing his game!!!! The game he has bought and payed for!

Still don't see the big deal.  This happenes all the time in MMOs.  Some ass starts spewing crap in the forums...gets banned.

[_LordKain_]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

Yes it was 1 random person got suspended from activating his game for 72 hours, because of his actions online though no proof as to what those actions really was only have his word for it. Pretty much sums it up. Personally I thin the guy should have put a little more effort by registering his game before going off ranting about the companies via religous references if that is as he says is what got him suspended for 72 hours from registering.

So it's not a permanent ban?!?   /facepalm

Oh the humanity!  A 72 hour ban....oh noes!