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[JoePilot]

kosarev wrote...

Technically, the EULA isnt worth a ****. If its against customer laws, the lawsuit is won.

EULAs have been demonstrated to be "contracts of adhesion" in several court cases, and therefore unenforceable.  However, that kind of finding would first require someone to take EA/Bioware to court over this.

[Massefeckt]

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

No he was banned from playing a game he legally bought and paid for.  If he is in Europe he can sue them and get a payment from them as no matter if it's in the EULA or not it's illegal to do that in the EU.

[Massefeckt]

JoePilot wrote...

kosarev wrote...

Technically, the EULA isnt worth a ****. If its against customer laws, the lawsuit is won.

EULAs have been demonstrated to be "contracts of adhesion" in several court cases, and therefore unenforceable.  However, that kind of finding would first require someone to take EA/Bioware to court over this.

If he's in Europe there are alot of small claims courts where he can take them to task without incurring any major cost. Obviosuly the pay out wouldn't be huge either but it might make EA rethink their policy.

[Dragoonlordz]

sirfouytr wrote...

Banning a player from playing a game he just bought because you don't like what he's saying ?

Utterly ridiculous, shameful - and shocking PR. Way to interact with the community BW *slow clap*.

In my opinion, the only acceptable response to this shameful debacle is for BW to publish a public apology to Arno, reverse the ban, and for EA to remove this fascist policy immediately.

Wrong, Bioware do not have the ability for unban someone "suspended from registering his game for 72 hours" by EA. Bioware do not need to apologise for EA, if got a problem with EA you should demand it from them not Bioware.

[DJBare]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Yes it was 1 random person got suspended from activating his game for 72 hours, because of his actions online though no proof as to what those actions really was only have his word for it. Pretty much sums it up.

His actions are besides the point, even he admits he was out of line, sorry Dragooonlordz, I applaud your defense of this subject, but in the end this has created bad publicity that's spreading like wildfire across the internet, right or wrong no longer comes into it.

[FellowerOfOdin]

We all can agree that such methods show how much EA cares for their customers - aka not at all unless you happily jump around praising their games.

Anyway, if EA keeps banning people from their games, they achieve nothing but one thing: more people playing the game by...different means.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

did bioware respond?

[TMZuk]

_LordKain_ wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

You could read the original post, mhm?

He got banned  from playing his game!!!! The game he has bought and payed for!

Still don't see the big deal.  This happenes all the time in MMOs.  Some ass starts spewing crap in the forums...gets banned.

If you don't see the difference you are either blind, ignorant or both. This is not an MMO. In an MMO your actions and statements affects other people when you play the game. You are banned because you harm other people. The equivalent here is to ban the offender from the forums. However, his SINGLE-PLAYER game is totally unrelated to other people. He can play it as he wants, and he can call EA/Bioware what he wants while playing it. Preventing him from using his property is not legal!

[Yootje]

Does anyone know at what time GMT a working day begins at Bioware's headquarters? Or, in other words, when can we expect to hear from someone from either Bioware or EA on this matter?

[Duncaaaaaan]

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Yootje wrote...

Does anyone know at what time GMT a working day begins at Bioware's headquarters? Or, in other words, when can we expect to hear from someone from either Bioware or EA on this matter?

probably 9 or 10 its only 10 am est right now.

[Yootje]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

And as has been said many times before: just because it's stated there, does not make it legal, and even if it's legal, that does not make it ethical or good PR.

[Kovnic]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

yes...and thats the point. We think the fact that it says that in the first place is both unethical and in someplaces perhaps even illegal.

Of course that said...I would assume EA could afford enough expensive lawyers to make their EULA water tight...so perhaps all of us "arm-chair" lawyering are missing something...(Like a law degree lol) 

Modifié par Kovnic, 11 mars 2011 - 03:39 .

[lzb2811]

Yootje wrote...

Does anyone know at what time GMT a working day begins at Bioware's headquarters? Or, in other words, when can we expect to hear from someone from either Bioware or EA on this matter?

It should be 11:37 in the US now I suppose. Still waiting for an official statement.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

Funny thing about those terms and conditions... they dont hold up very well in court and what EA is doing is illegal. Go troll elsewhere.

[Erani]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TMZuk wrote...



I simply don't belive it!

If this is true, then I have bought my LAST EA/Bioware game, period! No way I will support a company or companies that stoops to such methods! Furthermore, I have pm'ed the original poster in the original thread with a suggestion:

Since he payed in euros I assume he is within Europe. I suggested he contacted a lawyer, most European countries have free advisory services. I highly doubt this method is legal in Europe, and it is the sort of case that in most likelyhood will end up at the European court in Strassburg.

The reason why I am almost certain EA will loose badly at any court in Europe is that this is a form of cencorship that absolutely illegal! There is no way they can legally prevent people from using their property, for something they posted on the internet, EULA or not!

If I was on a car-site, and posted: Toyota sucks! and then experienced that my Toyota would refuse to run for 72 hours, well, all hell would break loose!

Toyota doesn't suck tyvm  I own one and it the most reliable car I have ever owned (engine wise atleast) can't say the same about bodywork.

These two posts made me lulz so hard!

[Vallenwood]

If EA went and banned everyone who talked **** about them, they'd be bankrupt.

What an utterly ridiculous punishment. Fair enough you receive a forum ban for breaking the code of conduct, but as DA2 is not an online game in any way, shape or form, it's not like he could carry any abuse further is it?

There's an irony in the fact EA went and proved the guys point.

[JoePilot]

Vierlein wrote...

JoePilot wrote...

End of Line.

I thought you were a moderator; or were you just predicting?

[Dragoonlordz]

What I am arguing about myself is the simple fact people are doing nothing more than attacking Bioware based on by assosiation. Like I said earlier this is no different than shooting the work colleagues of a criminal just by association. So Bioware imho don't need to respond at all and are being nice in allowing this to be discussed on their forums when it is a EA related issue. Bioware have already stated that they only forum ban. If you have a problem with EA take it to EA thats plain common sense imho though apparently some people don't agree so be it.

There was a person here few days ago posting end game spoilers for DA2 at title thread names because he was some childish guy raging, I wouldn't have just banned him I would of broken his legs if he was local to me. But maybe I'm just mean, I wouldn't of cared if that guy had his game suspended for 72 hours.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 03:43 .

[_LordKain_]

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

You could read the original post, mhm?

He got banned  from playing his game!!!! The game he has bought and payed for!

Still don't see the big deal.  This happenes all the time in MMOs.  Some ass starts spewing crap in the forums...gets banned.

If you don't see the difference you are either blind, ignorant or both. This is not an MMO. In an MMO your actions and statements affects other people when you play the game. You are banned because you harm other people. The equivalent here is to ban the offender from the forums. However, his SINGLE-PLAYER game is totally unrelated to other people. He can play it as he wants, and he can call EA/Bioware what he wants while playing it. Preventing him from using his property is not legal!

Nope, I don't see the difference.  That'll teach him to mouth off.  They should start banning more people.

Boo boo I can't play for 72 hours....boo.....hoo......

[JoePilot]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

Go look up "contract of adhesion".  It's one of the easiest things to get thrown out in court.  Problem is, actually getting EA into court would take a ton of money and time and luck. 

[ironcreed2]

So this really happened? I read about it over on Gamespot, but found myself literally scratching my head in utter disbelief. They locked him out of being able to play the game he paid for because of a little comment on a forum?Good god, man.

Modifié par ironcreed2, 11 mars 2011 - 04:04 .

[TMZuk]

_LordKain_ wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

You could read the original post, mhm?

He got banned  from playing his game!!!! The game he has bought and payed for!

Still don't see the big deal.  This happenes all the time in MMOs.  Some ass starts spewing crap in the forums...gets banned.

If you don't see the difference you are either blind, ignorant or both. This is not an MMO. In an MMO your actions and statements affects other people when you play the game. You are banned because you harm other people. The equivalent here is to ban the offender from the forums. However, his SINGLE-PLAYER game is totally unrelated to other people. He can play it as he wants, and he can call EA/Bioware what he wants while playing it. Preventing him from using his property is not legal!

Nope, I don't see the difference.  That'll teach him to mouth off.  They should start banning more people.

Boo boo I can't play for 72 hours....boo.....hoo......

Good that you support cencor-ship and theft. Move to North-Korea.

[Thumbkinchan]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

So, if it said in there that if I posted something they didnt like online they could drive to my house and shoot me in the face, it would be perfectly legal?

Just becuase you put something in your ELUA doesn't make it legal.

[Zkyire]

_LordKain_ wrote...


Nope, I don't see the difference.  That'll teach him to mouth off.  They should start banning more people.

Boo boo I can't play for 72 hours....boo.....hoo......

We're not scroungers.

We're not playing these games for free.

We're paying customers. And you think it's perfectly acceptable for a company to stop a paying customer from using a product he has already paid for?