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[DJBare]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What I am arguing about myself is the simple fact people are doing nothing more than attacking Bioware based on by assosiation. Like I said earlier this is no different than shooting the work colleagues of a criminal just by association. So Bioware imho don't need to respond at all and are being nice in allowing this to be discussed on their forums when it is a EA related issue. Bioware have already stated that they only forum ban. If you have a problem with EA take it to EA thats plain common sense imho though apparently some people don't agree so be it.

Sorry, but after this, Bioware is not such an innocent party.

[Kovnic]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

What I am arguing about myself is the simple fact people are doing nothing more than attacking Bioware based on by assosiation. Like I said earlier this is no different than shooting the work colleagues of a criminal just by association. So Bioware imho don't need to respond at all and are being nice in allowing this to be discussed on their forums when it is a EA related issue. Bioware have already stated that they only forum ban. If you have a problem with EA take it to EA thats plain common sense imho though apparently some people don't agree so be it.

I see were your comming from Dragoon, I honestly do. I like(ed) Bioware and its games. but when they signed up with EA I would assume that they agreed to the way EA operates. That makes Bioware contractually obligated to enforce EA's rules, and thus by association, makes them accountable even if they are not responsable.

[Eurhetemec]

This reduces my confidence in both EA and Bioware products, as it seems haphazard and poorly implemented, and the legality of it under European law is, at best, questionable.

With other, similar services - for example Blizzard's ID system, forum bans and game bans and indeed individual game bans are entirely separate things. This is as it should be. As a player, you can have complete confidence that your behaviour or perceived behaviour in one game or forum system will affect your access solely to that system, and that the product you paid for will be accessible unless it's a multiplayer game and you misbehave in it.

With the implementation EA have here, with a forum ban on the Bioware social forums resulting in a ban to the entire account, and thus to functionality with every single EA game associated with that account, then I'm not sure that it's smart to buy EA games, because you could potentially be blocked from using a very significant proportion of your games for your actions or perceived actions in a single game. This will be a particular issue if it applies to SWTOR, and I certainly won't be purchasing that until it becomes clear that a forum ban will not result in a SWTOR ban and SWTOR ban will not result in one being unable to download and use DLC for ME3 and so on.

This is a mess, EA, sort it out. Bioware need to convey that this is not acceptable to their customers, rather than issuing explanations and claiming that there's nothing they can do. There is nothing worse for customer confidence than a company claiming problems are out of their hands.

Modifié par Eurhetemec, 11 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[Thumbkinchan]

_LordKain_ wrote...

Nope, I don't see the difference.  That'll teach him to mouth off.  They should start banning more people.

Boo boo I can't play for 72 hours....boo.....hoo......

So, if I said somethign negative on the Toyota forums, they should be able to legally come to my house and steal my car for 3 days?

What about my bank, can they come evict me from my house for a week?

[TMZuk]

JoePilot wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

Go look up "contract of adhesion".  It's one of the easiest things to get thrown out in court.  Problem is, actually getting EA into court would take a ton of money and time and luck. 

Not in Europe it won't. All it takes is to convince the court that there is a case, and there will be free proces. I'll be very surprised if this doesn't happen.

[Dragoonlordz]

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

TMZuk wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Sorry, too lazy to read 31 pages.

So....all this is cause 1 person got banned from the forums? Really?

Oh brother...

You could read the original post, mhm?

He got banned  from playing his game!!!! The game he has bought and payed for!

Still don't see the big deal.  This happenes all the time in MMOs.  Some ass starts spewing crap in the forums...gets banned.

If you don't see the difference you are either blind, ignorant or both. This is not an MMO. In an MMO your actions and statements affects other people when you play the game. You are banned because you harm other people. The equivalent here is to ban the offender from the forums. However, his SINGLE-PLAYER game is totally unrelated to other people. He can play it as he wants, and he can call EA/Bioware what he wants while playing it. Preventing him from using his property is not legal!

Nope, I don't see the difference.  That'll teach him to mouth off.  They should start banning more people.

Boo boo I can't play for 72 hours....boo.....hoo......

Good that you support cencor-ship and theft. Move to North-Korea.

If you have a problem with EA take it to EA imho, using the freedom Bioware is giving you to here to rampage about what EA did is a good thing and people are spreading false rumours that Bioware banned/suspended him does nothing to improve my opinion of your cause. Bioware I point out yet again does not ban people from playing, EA suspends/bans not Bioware. Again I point out you don't take out revenge on people by assosication which is far more morally wrong than some guy getting suspended for 72 hours. It's akin to hanging the work colleagues of a murder just because they chose to work with him even if they knew he was a mean person with tendency to overreact.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 03:50 .

[HJudge]

_LordKain_ seems to be missing the point. He didn't just get banned from the forums, but from playing the game he paid for. This isn't just about one person, it could happen to any of us if we dare oppose the opinion of EA.
I can understand banning from multiplayer games if you are bothering or ruining the game for others since the ban will be for the greater good, but in singleplayer games there is simply no excuse, except of course for punishment/display of power <- which for a company is wrong/immoral/unethical.

No one should be punished for expressing their opinion! Removal from forums is fine, but to take away our purchased products is just an abuse of power and goes to show how little you can trust EA.

Modifié par HJudge, 11 mars 2011 - 03:50 .

[Nightrain50]

This sets a bad precedent for software rights in general. I'm definitely on the side of the consumer on this one.

On a side note, I have been and known others who have been temporarily banned from Blizzard World of Warcraft Forums while having full access to the game itself. So even MMO's seem to differentiate between forum and game bans.

[Nathander Von Eric]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

After reading Stanley Woo's reply to the post yesterday I called EA and asked them directly.


I was informed that:
Yes they can and will ban an EA account and prevent access to your content. But before they do so they will have given you several warnings and someone has to be pretty blatantly offensive for them to bring the account ban hammer down.

On the one hand it just seems to be way too much like a -Big Brother-hammer.

On the other hand the ones who get banned most likely have only themselves to blame for letting things get so far.

After all we all "Signed" the EULA and agreed to follow it which "allows" EA to do exactly what they say they will.

The moral of the whole thing, to me, is to either never buy another EA game (not going this route personally) or to use a bit of logic, common sense and respect while communicating on the forums, in chat or in game. (And shouldn't we all do that anyway?)

Bottom line is that there is no big conspiracy going on and the EA rep that I spoke with laid it out really simply with a "Yes. Will will do this. But someone has to be a really bad apple on multiple occasions before we do and, even then, they can make another account and get things straightened out eventually."

I'm a little perplexed about someone getting DLC and other things that are, to my understanding, tied to your account "straightened out eventually" on another account but, meh, don't get yourself into the mess in the first place and you never have to worry about it.

I respect your post but I disagree completely.

There is nothing logical in removing someone's ability to use his own property, no matter what he said and did in an online community. It is just wrong...in a million number of ways, a lot of which have been discussed over these pages. Ban him from the community, strip him of his rights on this particular service, of course, I agree completely. But not allowing him to use the product he gave you money for, it is blatantly illegal and unacceptable.

As I said in one of my previous posts, if EA wants to apply such a policy and be fair they have 2 options.

a) Dont let the guy buy your game. He offends you in the forums? You want to ban him so much as to not let him play your games? Ok, fine, then find a way to simply stop him from paying you 60$ to buy your game. Dunno how you do that, (i know it is impossible...) hand over pictures of him in every store, warn him with e mails , find a way so that this person doesnt pay for something you wont let him use.

and

Refund him the money he paid you and ask him to send you back his copy. Thats easier to do actually.

If EA gives the consumer either of these choices, or any other that seems more suitable, then cool...I'm ok with that. But keeping my money and not leting me enjoy what I've paid for? No way...

I agree with you completely in theory and think that this should be the practice. In fact the words of your post that I bolded was pretty much what I said to the EA rep I spoke with and is, I'm sure, the most common and rational response of most consumers on this issue.

But the reality of the situation is that you & I , as a consumer, have two....or actually three, choices in this situation.

1. Do not buy games from EA.

2. Buy games from EA and use a bit of logic, common sense and respect while communicating on the forums, in chat or in game.

3. Sue EA and try to force them to change their policy.

About choice # 3. Who here do you think will honestly do this? It very easy to rant and rave on "Teh Interwebs" (I am not saying that you are and that is not pointed directly at you in any way shape or form) but would someone here actually do this?

I doubt it very much.

[fastgiga_1]

_LordKain_ wrote...
Nope, I don't see the difference.  That'll teach him to mouth off.  They should start banning more people.
Boo boo I can't play for 72 hours....boo.....hoo......

So, if you pay 80000€ for your car and say to you friend: "i dont like this car", it is ok if the car company takes it away from you for 100 years?


No its not, 50€ and 72h or 80000€ and 100 years, doesn't change anything, its a matter of principle.

Where do you draw the line?

I draw it by  half a Cent and half a second.

And Yes, they should start banning more people, i know one person already

Modifié par fastgiga_1, 11 mars 2011 - 03:53 .

[Timtation]

DragoonLordz or whatever is seriously annoying as hell to read (went through most of this thread) absolutely horrendous at arguing for Biowares sake. The company working for the publisher is just as much to blame, but there's no talking sense into people that are fanboys.

It doesn't matter what he did, he physically bought the game, it's legally his, this is an unethical business practice and hopefully the internet being aware of it will squash it right now.

As a person who has supported Bioware since the 90s I am disgusted. If I get called a troll for expressing this, so be it.

Good day.

[fastgiga_1]

sry, double post, its getting lagy in here

Modifié par fastgiga_1, 11 mars 2011 - 03:52 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Nightrain50 wrote...

This sets a bad precedent for software rights in general. I'm definitely on the side of the consumer on this one.

On a side note, I have been and known others who have been temporarily banned from Blizzard World of Warcraft Forums while having full access to the game itself. So even MMO's seem to differentiate between forum and game bans.

They suspended his account for 72 hours, Blizzard bans accounts, just as your free to make another account for Blizzard titles and continue to play this guy could have made such an account himself with EA.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 03:52 .

[WastelanderTim]

[/quote]

We're not scroungers.

We're not playing these games for free.

We're paying customers. And you think it's perfectly acceptable for a company to stop a paying customer from using a product he has already paid for?

[/quote]

Thats pretty much what i was thinking. Are we simply being allowed to play EA games until EA finds it fit to tear the privilege away from us?

Modifié par WastelanderTim, 11 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[ironcreed2]

This is unbelievable. DAII is not even an online game. I can't believe EA are banning people from playing a game that they paid for because of online comments. Sure, ban them from the forum, but stop them from playing a game that they bought? I happen to love Dragon Age II, but I cant' say I love this. I mean, come on.

[TMZuk]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nightrain50 wrote...

This sets a bad precedent for software rights in general. I'm definitely on the side of the consumer on this one.

On a side note, I have been and known others who have been temporarily banned from Blizzard World of Warcraft Forums while having full access to the game itself. So even MMO's seem to differentiate between forum and game bans.

They suspended his account for 72 hours, Blizzard bans accounts, just as your free to make another account for Blizzard titles and continue to play this guy could have made such an account himself with EA.

There's no point in arguing with you, since you fail to see the principle. Do and believe as you please, I hope this one ends in court!

[Timtation]

What Blizzard does and doesn't do is neither here nor there, Dragoonlordz. Your justifications are weak.

For the record, it's just as bad that Blizzard does this, but for the most part those are ***MULTIPLAYER*** games.

[pezit]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

I agree with you completely in theory and think that this should be the practice. In fact the words of your post that I bolded was pretty much what I said to the EA rep I spoke with and is, I'm sure, the most common and rational response of most consumers on this issue.

But the reality of the situation is that you & I , as a consumer, have two....or actually three, choices in this situation.

1. Do not buy games from EA.

2. Buy games from EA and use a bit of logic, common sense and respect while communicating on the forums, in chat or in game.

3. Sue EA and try to force them to change their policy.

About choice # 3. Who here do you think will honestly do this? It very easy to rant and rave on "Teh Interwebs" (I am not saying that you are and that is not pointed directly at you in any way shape or form) but would someone here actually do this?

I doubt it very much.

Not buying games from EA isn't all that hard, i mean there's other ways to play their games if you want to, like borrowing it from a friend or something like that...

[_LordKain_]

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

[JoePilot]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you have a problem with EA take it to EA imho, using the freedom Bioware is giving you to here to rampage about what EA did is a good thing and people are spreading false rumours that Bioware banned/suspended him does nothing to improve my opinion of your cause. Bioware I point out yet again does not ban people from playing, EA suspends/bans not Bioware. Again I point out you don't take out revenge on people by assosication which is far more morally wrong than some guy getting suspended for 72 hours. It's akin to hanging the work colleagues of a murder just because they chose to work with him even if they knew he was a mean person with tendency to overreact.

Lawl.  You're probably one of those people that support mandatory binding arbitration, amiright?

[Timtation]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

He's probably enjoying all of the negative press Bioware is getting, yeah. lol!

[Crinai]

Look I say again we don't know the whole story here. What he posted that EA is the devil is on the same level as other posts I've seen. Saying that Bioware is a sellout, or EA ruined Bioware, etc. and I don't hear about them getting banned or suspended for such comments. This guy must have said something continually despite warnings, and said something much more offensive in order to warrant this supension. The guy even said that he did cross the line, but I don't think the EA is the devil comment was the ONLY thing that got him suspended.

[Dragoonlordz]

TMZuk wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nightrain50 wrote...

This sets a bad precedent for software rights in general. I'm definitely on the side of the consumer on this one.

On a side note, I have been and known others who have been temporarily banned from Blizzard World of Warcraft Forums while having full access to the game itself. So even MMO's seem to differentiate between forum and game bans.

They suspended his account for 72 hours, Blizzard bans accounts, just as your free to make another account for Blizzard titles and continue to play this guy could have made such an account himself with EA.

There's no point in arguing with you, since you fail to see the principle. Do and believe as you please, I hope this one ends in court!

Then it is up to the original offender/victim to do so, no amount of screaming and shouting on your part will change that. But if wish by all means start using racial and vulgar hate speechs and disgusting terms here if wish and when reported for doing so after the warnings EA gives continue to do so. When suspended you then yourself have the ability to take this to court and fight it if feel that strong. You can put yourself in the same situation as this original guy then instead waiting for him to act you can act yourself if you feel THAT strongly about it but you won't and why? Because it's easy to flame and start drama from behind a computer screen demanding others to take action when you yourself do not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 04:02 .

[HJudge]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here.  

I don't think you do.
Go away, troll!

[Thumbkinchan]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nightrain50 wrote...

This sets a bad precedent for software rights in general. I'm definitely on the side of the consumer on this one.

On a side note, I have been and known others who have been temporarily banned from Blizzard World of Warcraft Forums while having full access to the game itself. So even MMO's seem to differentiate between forum and game bans.

They suspended his account for 72 hours, Blizzard bans accounts, just as your free to make another account for Blizzard titles and continue to play this guy could have made such an account himself with EA.

Will they pay for the second activation code for the other account?