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[DJBare]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

This is NOT an MMO where other users can spoil your game, this is a single player game, I agree to the ban from the forum, but if you agree to the ban from his purchased single player game then I can only imagine you are trolling.

[TMZuk]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

You have TROLL written all over you with capital letters. Repeating yourself will not make you, EA or Bioware right. It is theft, and theft is illegal. I have already explained to you, as have others why you cannot compare this to an MMO-ban. Get your head out you behind and read the replies.

[Nightrain50]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nightrain50 wrote...

This sets a bad precedent for software rights in general. I'm definitely on the side of the consumer on this one.

On a side note, I have been and known others who have been temporarily banned from Blizzard World of Warcraft Forums while having full access to the game itself. So even MMO's seem to differentiate between forum and game bans.

They suspended his account for 72 hours, Blizzard bans accounts, just as your free to make another account for Blizzard titles and continue to play this guy could have made such an account himself with EA.

Blizzard have many reasons for banning accounts. My testimony is for specifically being banned from the forum because of forum conduct while simultaneously having no repercussions on my game account. I wouldn't be free to make another account as you suggest as my game cd keys and characters are all tied to said account. That would be retarded. I'm just pointing out that there is a better way to handle this as such banning the guy from forum is fine, taking access away from the game is rediculous and most likely illegal, even if it's temporary.

Modifié par Nightrain50, 11 mars 2011 - 04:03 .

[Timtation]

Crinai wrote...

Look I say again we don't know the whole story here. What he posted that EA is the devil is on the same level as other posts I've seen. Saying that Bioware is a sellout, or EA ruined Bioware, etc. and I don't hear about them getting banned or suspended for such comments. This guy must have said something continually despite warnings, and said something much more offensive in order to warrant this supension. The guy even said that he did cross the line, but I don't think the EA is the devil comment was the ONLY thing that got him suspended.

He could compare EA to N*zi Germany for all I care, it's still an unenethical business practice to remove your right for a bought product.

[ironcreed2]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

This is not a game based on a subscription service. He went and paid full retail for the game and owes nothing else. There is no membership or set of rules required for playing Dragon Age II after you buy it. What he said on the forum is irrelevant. The fact of the matter is that he should not be banned from using a product that he has paid for and now owns.

Sure, ban him from the forum where he made the comment, but locking him out of his game is another story. I don't know what is worse. The action itself, or the people who think it is perfectly acceptable.

[DwarvenNoble86]

Timtation wrote...

DragoonLordz or whatever is seriously annoying as hell to read (went through most of this thread) absolutely horrendous at arguing for Biowares sake. The company working for the publisher is just as much to blame, but there's no talking sense into people that are fanboys.

It doesn't matter what he did, he physically bought the game, it's legally his, this is an unethical business practice and hopefully the internet being aware of it will squash it right now.

As a person who has supported Bioware since the 90s I am disgusted. If I get called a troll for expressing this, so be it.

Good day.

Agreed.  It is his game and they have no right to deny him that.

But DragoonLordz makes a point in that it is an EA company policy. The only issue I have is that because BioWare is in bed with them they enforce the same policies as EA does.  This merger shouldn't be a happy transition. Complaining to EA is likely not going to get you anything, because they've had a long time to harden their stance.  But making our concerns known to BioWare will at least let them know some of the impact their parternship has made on some of their costumers.

Modifié par DwarvenNoble86, 11 mars 2011 - 04:06 .

[Dragoonlordz]

HJudge wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here.  

I don't think you do.
Go away, troll!

He is no more a troll than you are. Your comment alone adds nothing to the debate and therefor makes your position weaker than his.

[Ebenezer]

I've now read articles on this in English, French, Spanish, German, and Russian.

This subject is now listed in the "Facebooks Most Shared Viral"

But here's another great twist. A german site has a quote from Bioware about a patch. I'll just paste the quote and the link.

"There's been a few minor [bugs] and a few technical hiccups on PC. The two biggies that I'm aware of - that we're looking at aggressively right now - are on PC there seems to be some compatibility issues with DirectX 11. The other biggie and this is one that frankly is a bit of a 'mare' - is the consoles have... Unfortunately it's invisible right now but there is an option for auto-attack to be turned on on the consoles so it plays in the way that Origins did where you'd pick your target and your character would continue to attack."

http://www.gamersnet...content=Twitter

So fixing the missing auto attack on consoles is a bit of a nightmare. This PR disaster thats also blowing up Twitter and had "End of Line" momentarily trending last night is just one more dingleberry attached to the log that is DA2.

[Dragoonlordz]

Thumbkinchan wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nightrain50 wrote...

This sets a bad precedent for software rights in general. I'm definitely on the side of the consumer on this one.

On a side note, I have been and known others who have been temporarily banned from Blizzard World of Warcraft Forums while having full access to the game itself. So even MMO's seem to differentiate between forum and game bans.

They suspended his account for 72 hours, Blizzard bans accounts, just as your free to make another account for Blizzard titles and continue to play this guy could have made such an account himself with EA.

Will they pay for the second activation code for the other account?

Wouldn't need to from the perspective he was blocked for 3 days from registering his code it means his code is still unused so he could register that code to a new account if so wished to bypass the 3 day wait he can also ask that EA move his DLC to his new account at a later date if he so wished, they have done this for me in the past they would do this for him once his suspension ran out I am sure.

[Klimy]

Can anyone explain to me how posting onthe forum can relate to playing a game (in sence of wtf just happened). Forum and game should be two different things. Will they soon start to record our ip's and send paper letters with warnings?
Talking about a game and being able to play it cant possible relate to each other.

[kdamon]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

I agree.  It's not like he was offering constructive criticism.  He was intent on trying to offend and using inflammatory language.  Probably because he felt safe acting like a child thinking there'd be no repercussions.  I'm glad someone stood up and said enough.  Enough of this feeling of entitlement to act like a spoiled baby.  You don't like EA?  Fine, tell us why.  Don't want to support Bioware or EA anymore?"  Hey, it's your money.  But to protest something by coming online to mock the maker of the game is pointless.  How many things do you get done by going up to someone and calling them a name?  

There are tons of posts here about things people didn't like about the game expressed thoughtfully and non-offenssively.  What's wrong with that approach?  Surely the company (or whoever reads posts here and is in a position to change anything) would take a carefully thought out critique much more seriously.

[Thumbkinchan]

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

The difference is that the social aspect and the gaming aspect of an MMO are entirely intertwined, you cannot realistically differentiate someone's ability to play an MMO and them socializing on it.  In this situation, posting on a forum and playing a single player game are completely seperate entities.  Banning someone from playing a game they payed money for for an entirely seperate infraction on a disconnected forum is not the same thing at all.  The comment by Woo in the origianl thread even specified that banning you from the forums and from your account in general (including your DLC) can be done seperately.

Now answer my question from before:

If I said somethign negative on the Toyota forums, should they be able to legally come take my car for 3 days?

What about my bank, can they come evict me from my house for a week?  Or close my account for a month without allowing me to access my own money?

Modifié par Thumbkinchan, 11 mars 2011 - 04:13 .

[Lupire]

Let this topic die....please

[Killyox the Defender]

http://vividgamer.co...-dragon-age-ii/

[Timtation]

kdamon wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

I agree.  It's not like he was offering constructive criticism.  He was intent on trying to offend and using inflammatory language.  Probably because he felt safe acting like a child thinking there'd be no repercussions.  I'm glad someone stood up and said enough.  Enough of this feeling of entitlement to act like a spoiled baby.  You don't like EA?  Fine, tell us why.  Don't want to support Bioware or EA anymore?"  Hey, it's your money.  But to protest something by coming online to mock the maker of the game is pointless.  How many things do you get done by going up to someone and calling them a name?  

There are tons of posts here about things people didn't like about the game expressed thoughtfully and non-offenssively.  What's wrong with that approach?  Surely the company (or whoever reads posts here and is in a position to change anything) would take a carefully thought out critique much more seriously.

If someone calls me a jerk I'm entitled to punch them in the face.

Or if that's too much a leap for you, as a hundred people have pointed out, if I say my particular brand of car sucks to said car representative, their car-ninjas hijack my car and refuse to return it to me for 3 days.

Totally warranted. Totally.

[HJudge]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

HJudge wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here.  

I don't think you do.
Go away, troll!

He is no more a troll than you are. Your comment alone adds nothing to the debate and therefor makes your position weaker than his.

2/10. Are you even trying?
Maybe you should read my other comments.

[Crinai]

kdamon wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

I agree.  It's not like he was offering constructive criticism.  He was intent on trying to offend and using inflammatory language.  Probably because he felt safe acting like a child thinking there'd be no repercussions.  I'm glad someone stood up and said enough.  Enough of this feeling of entitlement to act like a spoiled baby.  You don't like EA?  Fine, tell us why.  Don't want to support Bioware or EA anymore?"  Hey, it's your money.  But to protest something by coming online to mock the maker of the game is pointless.  How many things do you get done by going up to someone and calling them a name?  

There are tons of posts here about things people didn't like about the game expressed thoughtfully and non-offenssively.  What's wrong with that approach?  Surely the company (or whoever reads posts here and is in a position to change anything) would take a carefully thought out critique much more seriously.

This, and actually according to the 2nd point about EA bans, someone has to hit the REPORT POST button.  So someone must have felt offended by whatever he said and hit the button so that a moderator could see it.  If no one did that then it is possible that his comments might have been overlooked.

[_LordKain_]

Lupire wrote...

Let this topic die....please

Couldn't agree with you more Lupire.

[Dragoonlordz]

Klimy wrote...

Can anyone explain to me how posting onthe forum can relate to playing a game (in sence of wtf just happened). Forum and game should be two different things. Will they soon start to record our ip's and send paper letters with warnings?
Talking about a game and being able to play it cant possible relate to each other.

He was doing something* on the forums if we go by what he claims it was using religious terms to flame Bioware/EA, someone reported this to 'EA' as for what they reported not a single one of us in reality know. Then EA suspended his EA account for 3 days, the guy didn't register his game before he started flaming and therefore couldn't play it apparently (you can play DA2 without even registering or connecting to the internet I will point out on consoles) which version or why he specifically had to register to play is unknown to me for the above listed reason, but seems more in line with couldn't access his DLC imo or downloaded the game itself from EA as digital content which requires unlocking (maybe).

People are now flaming and passing around misconceptions that Bioware are to blame by association with EA and arguing on the Bioware forums about it aka this thread the rights and wrongs of EA being allowed to suspend someone from registering that game in this case had a knock on effect because of how he got the game and not registering before flaming the company.
 

[Timtation]

Remember when the customer was ALWAYS right, even when they were completely irrational?

Yep, me neither.

[Zkyire]

kdamon wrote...


I agree.  It's not like he was offering constructive criticism.  He was intent on trying to offend and using inflammatory language.  Probably because he felt safe acting like a child thinking there'd be no repercussions.  I'm glad someone stood up and said enough.  Enough of this feeling of entitlement to act like a spoiled baby.  You don't like EA?  Fine, tell us why.  Don't want to support Bioware or EA anymore?"  Hey, it's your money.  But to protest something by coming online to mock the maker of the game is pointless.  How many things do you get done by going up to someone and calling them a name?  

There are tons of posts here about things people didn't like about the game expressed thoughtfully and non-offenssively.  What's wrong with that approach?  Surely the company (or whoever reads posts here and is in a position to change anything) would take a carefully thought out critique much more seriously.

He is entitled. He paid for the damned game already.

This would be a whole other matter if Bioware let us play these games for free. Then fair enough. But he already did pay for it.

[ElectronicAuthoritarians]

The downright FOOLISHNESS behind the decision to restrict users from games for mere forum posts is outrageous. Banning someone from a forum is one thing, but extending the ban to the actual game crosses the line, regardless of whether the justification is buried in the EULA or not.

I hope that they realize that their preemptive strike against negative PR has backfired and will cost them far more credibility than they ever could have imagined to lose as things were before.

I'm not sure who made the decision, be it the moderators or their higher-ups, but their overtly emotional response to having their feelings hurt has certainly left them with egg on their faces.

I expect to see some serious backpedaling. Even if it can't be done gracefully, it needs to happen.

[Thumbkinchan]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Wouldn't need to from the perspective he was blocked for 3 days from registering his code it means his code is still unused so he could register that code to a new account if so wished to bypass the 3 day wait he can also ask that EA move his DLC to his new account at a later date if he so wished, they have done this for me in the past they would do this for him once his suspension ran out I am sure.

THe problem here is that you are still arguign about this one specific situation, while almost everyone else here is talking about the policy in general.  What if he already had his game and everything registered on the account when it was banned?  What if the ban was for a longer time period.

[Alastanir]

This matter needs to be resolved by the end of this work day.

[kdamon]

Timtation wrote...

kdamon wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

I get what's happening here. Like I said earlier it happens all the time on MMOs. Someone mentioned this is different. How so? You pay money to purchase the MMO. You pay a monthly fee to continue to play the MMO. You mouth off in the forums there's a good chance your account will be banned.

"2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC."

It's in the rules. If you can't follow the rules, don't post. Simple as that. Hope he's enjoying his 72 hour ban. lol!

I agree.  It's not like he was offering constructive criticism.  He was intent on trying to offend and using inflammatory language.  Probably because he felt safe acting like a child thinking there'd be no repercussions.  I'm glad someone stood up and said enough.  Enough of this feeling of entitlement to act like a spoiled baby.  You don't like EA?  Fine, tell us why.  Don't want to support Bioware or EA anymore?"  Hey, it's your money.  But to protest something by coming online to mock the maker of the game is pointless.  How many things do you get done by going up to someone and calling them a name?  

There are tons of posts here about things people didn't like about the game expressed thoughtfully and non-offenssively.  What's wrong with that approach?  Surely the company (or whoever reads posts here and is in a position to change anything) would take a carefully thought out critique much more seriously.

If someone calls me a jerk I'm entitled to punch them in the face.

Or if that's too much a leap for you, as a hundred people have pointed out, if I say my particular brand of car sucks to said car representative, their car-ninjas hijack my car and refuse to return it to me for 3 days.

Totally warranted. Totally.

Sure, I guess you're "entitled" to do whatever you want whenever you want.  But you'll certainly face the consequences for doing it.  The car and analogy is terrible.  First of all, you didn't agree to relinquish your rights to the car for saying the car sucks on the automaker's forum.  But you did agree to pay (if it's a lease) so if you stop payment they will certainly take it and not for 3 days.