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[moilami]

DJBare wrote...

kdamon wrote...

He paid for the right to play a licensed copy of the game according to the rules he agreed to.  He didn't hold up his end of the bargain.  

Just a minute, I'm swearing and cursing while playing DA:O, I half expect the game to stop with a message "You have been banned from this game for the use of foul language"; oh wait, I'm not doing it on the forum, oh now I see the difference <_<

Do you really think some company can say to you "now u can't use our products what you bought because of what you said". The only reason why EA can do so is with this internet based activation thing, and if they use it they actually steal your property for the time being.

[Ledshot]

“Have you sold your souls to the EA devil?”

[darrylzero]

I am a big Bioware supporter in general, but I mostly agree that this is unacceptable.

However, maybe I am missing something, but isn't this most likely the result of an unforeseen problem? We can argue that Bioware and/or EA *should* have foreseen it, and I mostly agree that they should have, but it is kind of an odd situation. In any case, here's how I see it:

1) I suspect that banning him from the forum was the correct decision, but taking away access to the game was a very bad idea.

2) They probably did not intend to take away access to the game. It is still unacceptable, but it's an unacceptable mistake rather than an indefensible policy.

3) Bioware and EA probably deserve whatever bad press they get out of this, and I hope they change the way this functions as a result. I suspect they will.

4) However, being banned for 72 hours is not the end of the world. It sucks, but it is a little hard for me to sympathize. How do you end up badmouthing a game you have not played yet -- but were willing to spend the full sticker price on -- to the extent that you get a forum ban? Why would someone be desperate to play a game that they apparently expect hate with a passion?

The principle is clear. This person should have access to his game. But the story doesn't quite add up to me, and it makes me feel like there's more to it than I know so far. However, regardless of feeling a little like there's something fishy going on, I hope EA/Bioware change this policy.

[TheBaroness]

Honstly i don't see a issue in someone losseing access for a en game or more for a duration of a ban, all the rage and very bad behaveior on forums these days I think its a quite fitting punishment.. could get me to actually visit and post on forums, would be nice to able to have a good talk/discussion with out getting flamed, harrassed and what not.... right?... maybe im asking to much... shrugs.

[Dragoonlordz]

KaosTek wrote...

Let me just say that you people who are supporting EA for doing this should be ashamed of yourselves. Yeah based on the EULA they totally have the legal right to take away your rights of the game (ownership), but the real issue here:

Is this even right?!

Should EA have the right to ban your from your own legally purchased game because you act like a dick online?

No one is saying that EA doesn't have the legal right to do so (we all signed the EULA), but is it right? Should they have that much control over the products we purchase?

Maybe so, maybe not. I'm just saying people here seem to be taking it out on Bioware when instead of going to EA to complain they are picking on the easier target. This is not a right thing to do.

Quite a few people are saying things like if was me I would take them to court and sue them and advising others to take actions they are unwilling to take themselves etc, well I'm saying if feel that strongly about it start calling people racist names and preaching hate speeches or even threaten terrorist actions (these things are in the report function used against this guy, which was used out of them I do not know). Then once EA warns them and they continue and get banned for a period of time from their accounts, they can take the action they demand others take for themselves if it really is that strongly they feel about it.

[marcbenigni]

darrylzero wrote...

I am a big Bioware supporter in general, but I mostly agree that this is unacceptable.

However, maybe I am missing something, but isn't this most likely the result of an unforeseen problem? We can argue that Bioware and/or EA *should* have foreseen it, and I mostly agree that they should have, but it is kind of an odd situation. In any case, here's how I see it:

1) I suspect that banning him from the forum was the correct decision, but taking away access to the game was a very bad idea.

2) They probably did not intend to take away access to the game. It is still unacceptable, but it's an unacceptable mistake rather than an indefensible policy.

3) Bioware and EA probably deserve whatever bad press they get out of this, and I hope they change the way this functions as a result. I suspect they will.

4) However, being banned for 72 hours is not the end of the world. It sucks, but it is a little hard for me to sympathize. How do you end up badmouthing a game you have not played yet -- but were willing to spend the full sticker price on -- to the extent that you get a forum ban? Why would someone be desperate to play a game that they apparently expect hate with a passion?

The principle is clear. This person should have access to his game. But the story doesn't quite add up to me, and it makes me feel like there's more to it than I know so far. However, regardless of feeling a little like there's something fishy going on, I hope EA/Bioware change this policy.

I think what bothers me is that, after the fact, Bioware seems to be taking a rather brazen stance on the issue.  Versus minimizing the situation, the message seems to be, "he got what he had coming per the EULA."   Well that may be the case, but if we're to accept this, then all of the people who cry foul over online activation of offline-only games suddenly have a very strong point.  You can't have it both ways.  I am suddenly very suspicious of any software that wants to ping a server without adding any value in the process.  And I'll type whatever I like about that.

Honstly i don't see a issue in someone losseing access for a en game or more for a duration of a ban, all the rage and very bad behaveior on forums these days I think its a quite fitting punishment.. could get me to actually visit and post on forums, would be nice to able to have a good talk/discussion with out getting flamed, harrassed and what not.... right?... maybe im asking to much... shrugs.

And another thing... I don't know how "out of control" this guy had been in other comments, but the comment that alledgedly got him banned simply wasn't that bad.  Calling EA the devil??  Please, this is a corporation we're talking about here.  Pretty thick skin if it can be said to have skin at all.  When you consider all of the vitriolic ad hominem attacks that fly around here, singling that out is just plain weird.  He took on the wrong enemy apparently.  This makes EA and Bioware look very, very bad.

Modifié par marcbenigni, 11 mars 2011 - 04:43 .

[Rawgrim]

Banning someone from the forums, for breaking the rules, is ok. Locking his game is not ok. Thats abuse of power. Plain and simple.

[moilami]

darrylzero wrote...

I am a big Bioware supporter in general, but I mostly agree that this is unacceptable.

However, maybe I am missing something, but isn't this most likely the result of an unforeseen problem? We can argue that Bioware and/or EA *should* have foreseen it, and I mostly agree that they should have, but it is kind of an odd situation. In any case, here's how I see it:

1) I suspect that banning him from the forum was the correct decision, but taking away access to the game was a very bad idea.

2) They probably did not intend to take away access to the game. It is still unacceptable, but it's an unacceptable mistake rather than an indefensible policy.

3) Bioware and EA probably deserve whatever bad press they get out of this, and I hope they change the way this functions as a result. I suspect they will.

4) However, being banned for 72 hours is not the end of the world. It sucks, but it is a little hard for me to sympathize. How do you end up badmouthing a game you have not played yet -- but were willing to spend the full sticker price on -- to the extent that you get a forum ban? Why would someone be desperate to play a game that they apparently expect hate with a passion?

The principle is clear. This person should have access to his game. But the story doesn't quite add up to me, and it makes me feel like there's more to it than I know so far. However, regardless of feeling a little like there's something fishy going on, I hope EA/Bioware change this policy.

It really does not matter what he has said or done. No company can begin to act like it would be your daddy saying "now I punish you by taking your game away".

I seriously don't tolerate that, and I am very disappointed gaming companies try to restrict what I can say by threatening to take away games and stuff I have bought.

It basicly means, I hate to say this, that I either chose freedom of speech or gaming with some random company being my virtual daddy.

[ExtinctRPG]

[inappropriate image removed]

"Smack talk us on the forums and no play game."

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 mars 2011 - 05:00 .

[CrimsonKumiho]

Everyone still repeating themselves I see. Nothing gained for another 20 pages worth of posts? Excellent.

[Captainrave]

Rawgrim wrote...

Banning someone from the forums, for breaking the rules, is ok. Locking his game is not ok. Thats abuse of power. Plain and simple.

Couldn't agree more.

[DJBare]

TheBaroness wrote...

Honstly i don't see a issue in someone losseing access for a en game or more for a duration of a ban.

You really don't see the issue?, the very fact they have control over something you purchased?, I find it real scary when I see people say things like this 1984 was not a bad story, but I'd rather keep it just a story thanks.

[Melness]

The game registering should be a parellel service to the rest of the bioware network. That should alleviate the issue, no?

[Melness]

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Modifié par Melness, 11 mars 2011 - 04:47 .

[Joshd21]

You can all sit cry and complain over spilled milk. I am going to enjoy the game. The poster has clearly showed in the past day that he will violate the rules. If they could match his ISP to the ones that have been banning the fourms. I would simply ban him for good, and ask him to register the game on one of the man many accounts he created. His refusing to create another account register that game is what is delaying his game playing.

This has all been debated to death!, he violated the fourm rules, he was suspended for 72 hours. It is NOT the end of the world, things from the sky are not going to fall. The world will still be here, it's amazing how much attention one person acting in a banner manner like him can get like him. (Charile Sheen)

It's 72 hours...obviously he doesn't have a full time job or a spouse because spends LL of his time here, complaining to anyone that will listen in just a days time his ban will be up and I will have blocked him. I don't respect anyone who spams the fourms, haresses people and anyone who enables this kind of talk. You know what I said when I was banned for 24 hours? I'm sorry for violating the rules, I didn't spam with several accounts.

Good day.

Modifié par Joshd21, 11 mars 2011 - 04:47 .

[Duncan7291]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

KaosTek wrote...

Let me just say that you people who are supporting EA for doing this should be ashamed of yourselves. Yeah based on the EULA they totally have the legal right to take away your rights of the game (ownership),

Just because something is in the EULA doesnt mean that it is an enforceable provision.  While something like this would never make it to the courts (due to costs to bring action), I would love to see how the courts would rule on this provision of the EULA especially given the facts of this incident.

[Master Fubar 23]

Joshd21 wrote...

Oh please say this is all a bad dream....

1. I just woke up up to this steaming pile of mess with posters who just signed up on the fourm since today surprise are enabling this disscussion further. For one, "He is not banned from registering his product" the man has created at least ten accounts in the past day and half and has spammed the fourms, harssed the mods, threateed to download the game from an illegal source which is not only against the fourm rules, it's down right illegal!

He can create a seperate account and register his product. A fourm ban doesn't equal an in game ban! I know this because a day ago I was banned on the fourms for a period of 24 hours, I was able to log in and play just fine. It was because he was banned BEFORE he got to use his product registered

2. If you are going to speak on this at least do not hide behind a screen name or show you are not a troll who just created your account today. In the span of 24 hours this place has seen a massive mountain inflood of spam and the source is connected to him. All NERD RAGING because he has to wait 2 days?

Are you kidding me, I live next to FT Hood next to people that go overseas for a year and half two years at a time, unable to speak to their family more then 30 minutes on a payphone once every two weeks. You are going come here and complain that he can't play for 2 frigging days?!

3. It was EA that banned him, not Bioware. It is pintless to coutine this debate here. We already know he can register his product on the several NEW accounts he hade made for himself. Or he can wait two days to register it on his offical name. It was his fault for intentionally insulting EA, they have it within their right to do as he pleases and it's 2 frigging days, Get over himself and his ego!

4. You are all simple tools. Do you think honestly he cares about anyone of you. He has created so many accounts posted on so many fourms trying to get this overturned all for the simple fact "I can't play for two days" it's simply disgusting to me how he treats the mods over here, ones who created SWTOR MMO, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Dragon Age 1-2 without that you would be playign Rift for rest of your lifes or warcraft

In closing, overturn his sentence sends a clear message to everyone that gets banned. Yell like a child, stomp and complain it's not fair long enough and we might overturn it. Watch the next person do exact same thing. It's so sad, the devs here interact with us daily, speak to us directly. You couldn't get a blizzard dev to dirctly pm you if your life depended on it. In fact you would have wait 2-3 days for a Blizzard GM.

Get over the fact, he will have get over himself either make a new account register the game problem solved or whine and moan for 1 more day and half. I can tell you he is going on my blocked list and his future posts ignore. I never seen such a spamming, since that DLC was late.

Please direct me to where you found the information for your number 1. Your right about him not being banned and that its only temp but where did you find "the man has created at least ten accounts in the past day and half and has spammed the fourms, harssed the mods, threateed to download the game from an illegal source which is not only against the fourm rules, it's down right illegal!".  If you can't then please go somewhere else troll. When you mention people in the military they all made a choice to be there and make that sacrifce. The guy did not and no matter what he did it doesnt give anyone the right to deprive him of his right to play the game he paid for on an account of his choice. Sure he CAN make another account to play the game but thats not what he wants so for someone to say to do so is dumb.

Modifié par Master Fubar 23, 11 mars 2011 - 05:02 .

[moilami]

ExtinctRPG wrote...



"Smack talk us on the forums and no play game."

Improve this by making a cartoon where a gamer smack talks a company and later gets random forum mod sneaking into his house and stealing the game he has legally bought.

[lisakover]

Has Bioware sold their souls to the EA Devil?

I think we have a resounding yes.

[marcbenigni]

Everyone still repeating themselves I see. Nothing gained for another 20 pages worth of posts? Excellent.

I love the smell of superiority in the morning.

[ironcreed2]

TheBaroness wrote...

Honstly i don't see a issue in someone losseing access for a en game or more for a duration of a ban, all the rage and very bad behaveior on forums these days I think its a quite fitting punishment.. could get me to actually visit and post on forums, would be nice to able to have a good talk/discussion with out getting flamed, harrassed and what not.... right?... maybe im asking to much... shrugs.

To use the already over used example yet again just for the sake of clarity, what if I was unhappy with my new Toyota and bad mouthed them over on their discussion forums? Would it be fitting for them to come and take away my car for 3 days just because I expessed my displeasure with them?

I happen to love DA II, but I'm sorry. I cannot accept a company that silences it's customers by taking their right to use their paid for product away because they were merely vocal in their being unhappy with what they bought. As far as I am concerned, what I bought is mine after I paid for it. More importantly, I happen to be an advocate of freedom of speech. If you condone these actions, then you obviously are not an advocate of freedom much.

Modifié par ironcreed2, 11 mars 2011 - 04:49 .

[Alastanir]

What bothers me the most is there is no official statement addressing this issue other than Mr. Woo's explanation. I'm interested to hear a statement from EA or BioWare, not a forum mod.

Or have I missed it somewhere in the thread sea?

[passionata]

[quote=Joshd21]threateed to download the game from an illegal source which is not only against the fourm rules, it's down right illegal!

What in the nine hells are you babbling about seerah?
You honestly never heard of the first amendment or freedom of speech? Please tell us which law forbides saying I might do something which is against the law?

He did not actually say: "Heyas I just pirated the game and give a **** about you" Which would be commiting a crime...

It is sad to see that 8h after I stopped following this mess folks didn't come down to a reasonable base of discussion but even more it is saddening and kind of making me angry that there seems to be not an official statement of EA or Bioware or I did miss it (if I missed it please point me there, thanks in advance)

Modifié par passionata, 11 mars 2011 - 04:52 .

[CrimsonKumiho]

marcbenigni wrote...

Everyone still repeating themselves I see. Nothing gained for another 20 pages worth of posts? Excellent.

I love the smell of superiority in the morning.

As do I my friend. I apologize if that post came off as egotistical. My alternative to morning grumpiness, but I've been watching from the beginning and I keep looking up at the page number to see if I accidentally went back a few pages.

[ExtinctRPG]

The only situation that draws a remote comparison is getting banned from an MMO for a day or a few days. But that is justifiable because you are being banned for in-game violations and you agree to it all up front when you agree to the ToS. However, Blizzard does not ban you from WoW for forum posts. That would be complete bull****.