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[Dragoonlordz]

Illegality of the situation is handled by courts not forums of a subsiduary company that happens to have been bought out by the people that suspended him from activating his copy for 3 days. I'm not a massive fan of Bioware in that I don't like what they have done to DA series and others but as far as I'm concerned with this specific case they owe no such apology as if that is what you are seeking or changes to what happened you go to the people who are responsable which is EA not Bioware. If you cannot see the logic in that it's not my fualt and by no means makes me a troll. I have no respect for those who throw around the word troll to anyone who disagree's and debated with them with something they have said. People are using the term Bioware/EA to justify posting this stuff on a Bioware forum when it's an EA issue.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 04:56 .

[Captain_Obvious]

Joshd21 wrote...

This has all been debated to death!, he violated the fourm rules, he was suspended for 72 hours. It is NOT the end of the world, things from the sky are not going to fall.

While I agree with most of your post, the primary concern for me is property rights.  Did he purchase the game or not?  Did he purchase the DLC or not?  If he purchased it, it is now his property.  I don't see how EA or Bioware can legally justify limiting access to purchased property.  Granted, it is a License Agreement, but I don't see how being disruptive anywhere should limit use of your own property.  It would be the same thing if I bought Windows 7, got on a Microsoft forum and made some asinine posts, and then was unable to start my computer for three days.  I think it's unacceptable. 

Does anyone know if Bioware or EA had made a statement about this?

[darrylzero]

Melness wrote...

The game registering should be a parellel service to the rest of the bioware network. That should alleviate the issue, no?

Yes, exactly.  And I am betting that this will in fact be the result.  If it is not the end result of this fiasco, I think the critics will be right. 

It doesn't affect me, because I'm never going to get banned from any online forum, so I don't ultimately care personally.  But they will be right and EA/Bioware will deserve to lose whatever business they lose over this. 

Hopefully, though, they will make the activation parallel and this will go down as one big screwup rather than an abuse of power.  I'm optimistic (but not convinced) that will be the net result.

[Joshd21]

Master Fubar 23 wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

Oh please say this is all a bad dream....

1. I just woke up up to this steaming pile of mess with posters who just signed up on the fourm since today surprise are enabling this disscussion further. For one, "He is not banned from registering his product" the man has created at least ten accounts in the past day and half and has spammed the fourms, harssed the mods, threateed to download the game from an illegal source which is not only against the fourm rules, it's down right illegal!

He can create a seperate account and register his product. A fourm ban doesn't equal an in game ban! I know this because a day ago I was banned on the fourms for a period of 24 hours, I was able to log in and play just fine. It was because he was banned BEFORE he got to use his product registered

2. If you are going to speak on this at least do not hide behind a screen name or show you are not a troll who just created your account today. In the span of 24 hours this place has seen a massive mountain inflood of spam and the source is connected to him. All NERD RAGING because he has to wait 2 days?

Are you kidding me, I live next to FT Hood next to people that go overseas for a year and half two years at a time, unable to speak to their family more then 30 minutes on a payphone once every two weeks. You are going come here and complain that he can't play for 2 frigging days?!

3. It was EA that banned him, not Bioware. It is pintless to coutine this debate here. We already know he can register his product on the several NEW accounts he hade made for himself. Or he can wait two days to register it on his offical name. It was his fault for intentionally insulting EA, they have it within their right to do as he pleases and it's 2 frigging days, Get over himself and his ego!

4. You are all simple tools. Do you think honestly he cares about anyone of you. He has created so many accounts posted on so many fourms trying to get this overturned all for the simple fact "I can't play for two days" it's simply disgusting to me how he treats the mods over here, ones who created SWTOR MMO, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Dragon Age 1-2 without that you would be playign Rift for rest of your lifes or warcraft

In closing, overturn his sentence sends a clear message to everyone that gets banned. Yell like a child, stomp and complain it's not fair long enough and we might overturn it. Watch the next person do exact same thing. It's so sad, the devs here interact with us daily, speak to us directly. You couldn't get a blizzard dev to dirctly pm you if your life depended on it. In fact you would have wait 2-3 days for a Blizzard GM.

Get over the fact, he will have get over himself either make a new account register the game problem solved or whine and moan for 1 more day and half. I can tell you he is going on my blocked list and his future posts ignore. I never seen such a spamming, since that DLC was late.

Please direct me to where you found the information for your number 1. Your right about him not being banned and that its only temp but where did you find "the man has created at least ten accounts in the past day and half and has spammed the fourms, harssed the mods, threateed to download the game from an illegal source which is not only against the fourm rules, it's down right illegal!".

It's quite clear. I was here when it started. Someone came on here, linked the situation that happended and Mr. Woo responded, that is where you are getting that offical quote from. Do iave solid proof that it was exactly him who registerd numerous accounts so many times yesterday? no

But this was BEFORE anyone knew much about it. No one person would create so many accounts and spam the fourms repeatedly if they didn't have thier emotions tied into the game. You can aruge it was just someone else aruging on his behalf, yet I seen the vulgar vile comment they have posted here and no person would contouied to do that if he didn't have something invested in the game itself.

That was him, only way to prove it is to match the ISP to his ISP, however Mr. Woo doesn't ban the ISP when he bans so it's easy to create another account without having to even verify your email address, and it's simply the posting came here yesterday linked his thread which he was banned and sparked an outcry debate over it. It has to be him!, he obviously has been active enough to complain to everyone on the web. I for not am no longer listening to such a childish rant.

[Bhav]

Rizaun wrote...

Are you taunting the mods to get yourself banned and then complain about it?

I got a 3 day ban for posting this picture:

[off-topic image removed]

So I'll just post it again. Hey, dont ban me again, I censored it this time!

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 11 mars 2011 - 04:57 .

[Selphares]

Ok ExtinctRPG reported you and honestly I woudl not midn if you loose all sort of rights to use the game as well with pictures like this.

[CrimsonKumiho]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

This has all been debated to death!, he violated the fourm rules, he was suspended for 72 hours. It is NOT the end of the world, things from the sky are not going to fall.

While I agree with most of your post, the primary concern for me is property rights.  Did he purchase the game or not?  Did he purchase the DLC or not?  If he purchased it, it is now his property.  I don't see how EA or Bioware can legally justify limiting access to purchased property.  Granted, it is a License Agreement, but I don't see how being disruptive anywhere should limit use of your own property.  It would be the same thing if I bought Windows 7, got on a Microsoft forum and made some asinine posts, and then was unable to start my computer for three days.  I think it's unacceptable. 

Does anyone know if Bioware or EA had made a statement about this?

In a way, they suspended his license to use the game inadvertently by suspending his accessibility to EA services (i.e. registering the game).

[Kovnic]

http://www.bioware.com/

Right at the top it says :- Bioware, a divison of EA.

People trying to seperate BW from EA need to just give it up. Bioware are a games develpoment branch of EA. One of many. To claim that an act taken by EA has nothing to do with Bioware is just flat wrong. Just because one branch of the company was responsible for the decision does not mean that all other branches are some how immune from the backlash. EA is EA...whatever name they use.

[Alastanir]

Gentlemen... Us arguing over semantics does nothing more than fuel other's egos.

How about we present some ideas that could rectify the situation? If we sound willing to help solve this issue with positive recommendations, rather than butt-hurt, angry, entitled nerd rage, both companies may take what we have to say seriously.

[Joshd21]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

This has all been debated to death!, he violated the fourm rules, he was suspended for 72 hours. It is NOT the end of the world, things from the sky are not going to fall.

While I agree with most of your post, the primary concern for me is property rights.  Did he purchase the game or not?  Did he purchase the DLC or not?  If he purchased it, it is now his property.  I don't see how EA or Bioware can legally justify limiting access to purchased property.  Granted, it is a License Agreement, but I don't see how being disruptive anywhere should limit use of your own property.  It would be the same thing if I bought Windows 7, got on a Microsoft forum and made some asinine posts, and then was unable to start my computer for three days.  I think it's unacceptable. 

Does anyone know if Bioware or EA had made a statement about this?

You are overlooking the fact he can create a NEW account. Which he has done several, several times i the past. Register the game there and boom problem s solved. He can still even buy DLC on his new account. In fact unless he still plays Orgins, Mass Effect 2 he should create a new sn and register it there and play.

While some of you may be entertained by this sorta of drama, watching a car cruash. I assure you I am still going to buy SWTOR MMO over this. Some unknown gamer who nerd ragged after he got suspended for 72 hours is not going to make me limit my own gaming experience by refusing to buy  bioware products are you kidding me?

Now as I said Good day. Leaving this to people who can debate this further without no result just to debate.

[Bhav]

Wow, so my link gets removed, but ExtinctRPGs doesnt?

Why?

[CrimsonKumiho]

Alastanir wrote...

Gentlemen... Us arguing over semantics does nothing more than fuel other's egos.

How about we present some ideas that could rectify the situation? If we sound willing to help solve this issue with positive recommendations, rather than butt-hurt, angry, entitled nerd rage, both companies may take what we have to say seriously.

It would be simple enough for them to let him register the game so he can play offline. Hell, even online. But that would be admitting they were wrong. So there is no solution.

[cloudstrife070]

This forums look like second world war , WTF is wrong with you guys, you are losing the respect.

look at this news , they are all over gaming sites, do you guys think this is a good way to respect your fans :


http://gamrfeed.vgch...-devil-comment/

[Kovnic]

Alastanir wrote...

Gentlemen... Us arguing over semantics does nothing more than fuel other's egos.

How about we present some ideas that could rectify the situation? If we sound willing to help solve this issue with positive recommendations, rather than butt-hurt, angry, entitled nerd rage, both companies may take what we have to say seriously.

I agree, and in my first post I already said what people should do. Every country has consumer rights groups. While an individual gamer may not be able to take EA to court, consumer rights groups eat Big Business for breakfast. Complain to them, and maybe one will take up the cause and take EA and the stupid EULA and TOS agrements that companies hide behind to court.

[ExtinctRPG]

Selphares wrote...

Ok ExtinctRPG reported you and honestly I woudl not midn if you loose all sort of rights to use the game as well with pictures like this.

Keep it up. BioWare will surely reward your butt kissing with an in-game tome.

Modifié par ExtinctRPG, 11 mars 2011 - 05:04 .

[SOULHASBEENSOLD]

Don't forget to be excellent to eachother

[Dragoonlordz]

Kovnic wrote...

http://www.bioware.com/

Right at the top it says :- Bioware, a divison of EA.

People trying to seperate BW from EA need to just give it up. Bioware are a games develpoment branch of EA. One of many. To claim that an act taken by EA has nothing to do with Bioware is just flat wrong. Just because one branch of the company was responsible for the decision does not mean that all other branches are some how immune from the backlash. EA is EA...whatever name they use.

If you do not like my opinion you are free to do so, if you fail to see my logic again thats s not really my issue. Neither make my opinion 'wrong' that is just your opinion on what I think. Bioware have stated themselves they do not ban people from anything other than the forums, people are happy with this as stated many times, EA ban people from registering their products, now this is a unique case in that a. he didnt register his product before flaming EA and Bioware which would have solved this issue and b. he specifically bought his product directly from EA which if had bought as a physical media aka Disc based product he would not have to even register in the first place with exception of the DLC so again could have been avoided.

You do not sue Bungie because you don't like something Microsoft did. Your logic is flawed imho.

[Druscylla]

I understand that the ban is not necessarily permanent. I understand that the forum rules were violated...but Stanley Woo said that it can happen because someone reported his post. I don't even want to post here now. Its scary to think they would ban someone due to somebody else clicking a button.

[Selphares]

Actually should not answer to posts written by someone with a lack of empathy, but let us just they in some countries we not really like it if people in pictures are hinted with specific person taht produce mass genocid. Only postive aspekt is that the thread propably is soon closed.
Of course than the persons with your attitude will scream that EA and bioware are evil and just close Threads.

So in some way not much sense than just ban certain people and personally decide to visit the forum first in some weeks again if people like you just found new entertainment I guess.

[Janne36]

 @Joshd21,You might be a troll but I just want to make clear that time is irrelevant to this case. It is no matter if he did he get banned for 72 hours or one hour or even for a one second but he still lost his access to a game he bought.

If I buy a game of cource I will assume that I can play it when I want to. Because I bought it. Do you get it? I don't know if you live in North Korea but atleast in Europe we have consumer laws which forbid consumer abuses like this. And yes, they are above all kinds of EULAs.  

Plus if you really think they have a right to unplug your game whenever they want to it shouldn't be hidden in long EULAs. It should be on box art with bolted letters like this: "WE CAN SCAM YOU LOL." It is just cheating the customer. Just like the SecureCom. No one told me that it was in game. 

EA just lost every single argument against piracy because of this consumer abuse. 

Modifié par Janne36, 11 mars 2011 - 05:11 .

[Bhav]

moilami wrote...

ExtinctRPG wrote...



"Smack talk us on the forums and no play game."

Improve this by making a cartoon where a gamer smack talks a company and later gets random forum mod sneaking into his house and stealing the game he has legally bought.

La de dah de dah, la la la la dah de da!

[CrimsonKumiho]

Druscylla wrote...

I understand that the ban is not necessarily permanent. I understand that the forum rules were violated...but Stanley Woo said that it can happen because someone reported his post. I don't even want to post here now. Its scary to think they would ban someone due to somebody else clicking a button.

He never gave a statement or his opinion on anything. Just copy/pasted from the EA terms of service.

[marcbenigni]

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

marcbenigni wrote...

Everyone still repeating themselves I see. Nothing gained for another 20 pages worth of posts? Excellent.

I love the smell of superiority in the morning.

As do I my friend. I apologize if that post came off as egotistical. My alternative to morning grumpiness, but I've been watching from the beginning and I keep looking up at the page number to see if I accidentally went back a few pages.

 Fair enough.  I have to admit I didn't exactly pour over the 30-odd preceding pages before I went off on my own tirade.

[xI extremist Ix]

If you didn't talk ****, than none of this would have happened. Why don't you just make a new account and register the game to that? Is it that important to play the game on your original account. Personally, I think it is pretty clever to not allow people to play their game online if they get banned.

[Kronoz]

I have to agree with the critisism here, it is shocking that a company can deny a customer to play the game because of forum posts.

This is noted.