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[DasSchranz]

 END. OF. LINE.

[TMZuk]

The guy has been contacted by Reclaimyourgame.com. It's a pretty red-hot subject on Rock, Paper, Shotgun as well.

By the way, DA2 scores "unacceptable" on Reclaimyourgame. The only idea that can rectify the situation is to remove the connection between EA-accounts and the ability to play a single-player game. When I buy a game it is MY game, and this horrible practice of forcing people to create an account and registering a game has to come to an end.

These things has already caused several court-cases in Europe, and probably in the US as well, and it has already been establshed that the EULA is not a binding legal document in any European country. Why? Because you cannot see the EULA before you buy the game. It's not a written document you can see in the shop, and which you sign before making your purchase.

The guy can be whatever he wants, and receive all the forum-bans EA wishes to bestow on him. However, when these forum-bans prevents him from using his game, it's a serious problem. And no, he cannot just make a new account. or he can, but then he has no access to his DLC, savegames or anything else tied to his old account. And this is not just DA2, but ALL his EA-games.

It is theft, plain and simple!

Modifié par TMZuk, 11 mars 2011 - 05:14 .

[Captain_Obvious]

Joshd21 wrote...

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

This has all been debated to death!, he violated the fourm rules, he was suspended for 72 hours. It is NOT the end of the world, things from the sky are not going to fall.

While I agree with most of your post, the primary concern for me is property rights.  Did he purchase the game or not?  Did he purchase the DLC or not?  If he purchased it, it is now his property.  I don't see how EA or Bioware can legally justify limiting access to purchased property.  Granted, it is a License Agreement, but I don't see how being disruptive anywhere should limit use of your own property.  It would be the same thing if I bought Windows 7, got on a Microsoft forum and made some asinine posts, and then was unable to start my computer for three days.  I think it's unacceptable. 

Does anyone know if Bioware or EA had made a statement about this?

You are overlooking the fact he can create a NEW account. Which he has done several, several times i the past. Register the game there and boom problem s solved. He can still even buy DLC on his new account. In fact unless he still plays Orgins, Mass Effect 2 he should create a new sn and register it there and play.

While some of you may be entertained by this sorta of drama, watching a car cruash. I assure you I am still going to buy SWTOR MMO over this. Some unknown gamer who nerd ragged after he got suspended for 72 hours is not going to make me limit my own gaming experience by refusing to buy  bioware products are you kidding me?

Now as I said Good day. Leaving this to people who can debate this further without no result just to debate.

In my opinion, it's not about his forum account, it's about his property rights. 

[Kovnic]

If you do not like my opinion you are free to do so, if you fail to see my logic again thats s not really my issue. Neither make my opinion 'wrong' that is just your opinion on what I think. Bioware have stated themselves they do not ban people from anything other than the forums, people are happy with this as stated many times, EA ban people from registering their products, now this is a unique case in that a. he didnt register his product before flaming EA and Bioware which would have solved this issue and b. he specifically bought his product directly from EA which if had bought as a physical media aka Disc based product he would not have to even register in the first place with exception of the DLC so again could have been avoided.

You do not sue Bungie because you don't like something Microsoft did. Your logic is flawed imho.

Its semantics, and a pointless debate.  At the end of the day, something said about EA and BIOWARE here on the BIOWARE social forum got reported to EA and EA banned their EA acoount, and through association his BIOWARE account.  It stands to reason that complaints made here about EA and BIOWARE will also get back to EA. It makes no difference who people complain to as evidenced by what started all this.

[ElectronicAuthoritarians]

Watch what you say. They have ears and eyes everywhere. 

Modifié par ElectronicAuthoritarians, 11 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Maera Imrov]

darrylzero wrote...

Melness wrote...

The game registering should be a parellel service to the rest of the bioware network. That should alleviate the issue, no?

Yes, exactly.  And I am betting that this will in fact be the result.  If it is not the end result of this fiasco, I think the critics will be right. 

It doesn't affect me, because I'm never going to get banned from any online forum, so I don't ultimately care personally.  But they will be right and EA/Bioware will deserve to lose whatever business they lose over this. 

Hopefully, though, they will make the activation parallel and this will go down as one big screwup rather than an abuse of power.  I'm optimistic (but not convinced) that will be the net result.

Last posted on like page 6, so I'm not even going to try reading all of this that blew up while I played DA2 and slept.

This, however, is what I hope comes of it. I have no real comment on the person who was banned, whether he deserved it, or what he did. I think if you are overly disruptive on a forum you should be banned from it. Temp. or permanent, as the situation warrants. I've moderated and admin'd forums before, I know how that is.

However, one's ability to register the game/DLC/etc should be a paralell service, not an entwined one. That way, someone can still use their game, but they can't come back in here and spew vitiriol about if it's not to their liking. I had always assumed this is how this service worked. It wasn't until this happened that I learned otherwise.

It seems very strange to me that anyone ever thought it was a good idea to have an EA level ban block you from registering your games. Registration and ability to play the product should not be blocked. Not unless we're talking about an MMORPG, where your disruption or cheating, or whatever, has upset the balance in the game. But an offline game where it's just you having fits at your own monitor? Eh.

Modifié par Maera Imrov, 11 mars 2011 - 05:26 .

[Wygrath]

This thread is disgusting. I never thought I'd see the day where discussion over on Gamefaqs/Gamespot forums is more lucid, mature, and level headed then on this site. Why are these adolescent minded fools who are traipsing through the forums posting Hitler mustache pictures and ignorant flames and trolling still here. Those fools should all be banned.

Participation in the discussions here is a privilege, not a right.

These morons are being aloud to be nuisances in the name of what exactly?

[Bhav]

wrong quote.

Seriously, how do you embed images on this forum? I cant figure it out.

Modifié par Bhav, 11 mars 2011 - 05:20 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Druscylla wrote...

I understand that the ban is not necessarily permanent. I understand that the forum rules were violated...but Stanley Woo said that it can happen because someone reported his post. I don't even want to post here now. Its scary to think they would ban someone due to somebody else clicking a button.

It really isn't something to worry about, the report button is for very serious to minor things unless someone lies about what you did and claimed you was inciting racial hatred and plotting a terrorist action They won't ban you, I know this as fact because I have been reported before and everyone only gets a warning (after investigation to make sure what was said was actually said).

If the user persists even after the wanring then they only get their account suspended for x amount of time by EA this is only an issue for this person because DA2 required you if got via digital as opposed to disc format for example on consoles (which require no such registration) the need to register it due to fight against piracy and a timed release date. The effect of having his account banned while using a non disc example like mentioned is the knock on effect he hadn't registered and had a specific format of the game before his ranting and raving about the company which got his account suspended for 3 days.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 05:20 .

[CrimsonKumiho]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Druscylla wrote...

I understand that the ban is not necessarily permanent. I understand that the forum rules were violated...but Stanley Woo said that it can happen because someone reported his post. I don't even want to post here now. Its scary to think they would ban someone due to somebody else clicking a button.

It really isn't something to worry about, the report button is for very serious to minor things unless someone lies about what you did and claimed you was inciting racial hatred and plotting a terrorist action They won't ban you, I know this as fact because I have been reported before and everyone only gets a warning (after investigation to make sure what was said was actually said).

I have to stop you there. You can't really speak for everyone on that subject as you are not... well, everyone. It says in the terms of service that they don't have to warn you.

[Bhatair]

Can't say I like this.
I don't believe it's fair to lock someone from game content for forum activity. There's nothing more to be said really. It's just wrong.

[Demonicom]

That....was a long read. Wow.

I agree that it is fundementally wrong for any company to restrict access to already-paid-for items. Once the product is legally paid for, it is the right of the consumer to do what they wish with it, and at that point the consumer is held accountable to county/city/state/national laws, NOT company policy.

However.

Did this particular instance in fact restrict the consumer from using his already-paid-for product (in this case Dragon Age 2)? From what I have read it looks like the person in question received a 72 hour ban from the forums, and has stated that from that ban he cannot register his game, thus making it impossible to do as he wished with his already-paid-for item.
I do not know if this is the case, as it seems most of the posters here do not seem to know.

I DO know however that the account I am using right now is the second account through EA that I have had to use because of lost passwords, forgotten email addresses, etc. On my first account I had all the Battlefield games registered, but I misplaced the password over time, so when Dragon Age Origins came out, I had to use another account to register for that (which is also the current account for Dragon Age 2).

Long story short--Why didn't this person just create a new account, then register his game through that account instead of waiting 72 hours? Granted he probably would have still been banned from the forums (if they use ISP banning), but he still would have been able to register and play the game.

*Disclaimer* I have no idea if this is an actual workaround as I have never been banned from these forums. I do know however that it is entirely possible to have multiple accounts with different games registered to each. The only thing I could see being a problem is if he had other EA games registered on the banned accounts which he could not access for the 72 hours period. The only way the banning could have affected him for DA 2 is if he absolutely wanted to keep DA2 on his original account and was unwilling to create a second account.

Either way--Once a product is legally paid for it is the consumer who dictates how that product is used (as long as no actual laws are being violated), not the company who originally sold the product.

[Bushmast3r]

Keep up the good fight all of you white knights - I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you are rewarded with sex and treasure for defending EA moderators.

[Duncaaaaaan]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

Funny thing about those terms and conditions... they dont hold up very well in court and what EA is doing is illegal. Go troll elsewhere.

>go troll elsewhere

*looks at join date*

pahahahha. 

But seriously, why do you say I'm trolling? What I'm doing is being realistic. How can the terms and conditions be illegal? Thats absolutely ridiculous, and extremely wishful thinking. 

This is like that massive thread that eventually got locked on the Modern Warfare 2 PC forums, where people were going to organise a lawsuit against Infinity Ward because of their inaccurate advertisement of MW2 on the PC. (re: matchmaking being better than dedicated servers). Nothing is going to happen, if people try to organise a lawsuit, everyone will chicken out. 

I'm not condoning what EA, bioware, or whoever the hell did it, did. But that doesn't necessarily mean it can just get punished just like that in a court. Its an abolsutely absurd notion that the terms and conditions are illegal, or the content in it is illegal. It would have said something like "EA has the right to revoke your ability to play this game blah blah blah", and they can do that. Its their product. Its people's fault for not reading the terms and conditions, but even I will admit that I dont read it. I wouldnt lift my little finger for it, thats how little I care for it. Which means that this policy is completely unfair. Its also legal ok. 

Besides, this is a temporary ban right? Worse comes to worse, this guy has waited only 72 hours to play this game. 

Modifié par Duncaaaaaan, 11 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[Bhav]

Bushmast3r wrote...

Keep up the good fight all of you white knights - I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you are rewarded with sex and treasure for defending EA moderators.

Unfortunately, because DA2 is such a rubbish RPG, we must get our desires for adventure satisfied on the forums instead.

I just opened a chest and looted a Trollkin breastplate of regeneration. I wonder if anyone else has found the hammer of troll banishing to counter my new troll like abilites?

Modifié par Bhav, 11 mars 2011 - 05:26 .

[Alastanir]

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption. It's unfortunate that this event had to occur, but all the nerd-rage is getting to be a bit too much for me. I guarantee that there's more to this story than the suspended user is telling.

[Dragoonlordz]

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Druscylla wrote...

I understand that the ban is not necessarily permanent. I understand that the forum rules were violated...but Stanley Woo said that it can happen because someone reported his post. I don't even want to post here now. Its scary to think they would ban someone due to somebody else clicking a button.

It really isn't something to worry about, the report button is for very serious to minor things unless someone lies about what you did and claimed you was inciting racial hatred and plotting a terrorist action They won't ban you, I know this as fact because I have been reported before and everyone only gets a warning (after investigation to make sure what was said was actually said).

I have to stop you there. You can't really speak for everyone on that subject as you are not... well, everyone. It says in the terms of service that they don't have to warn you.

Your right in the sense I would expect and have received warnings which was the case for minor infractions. But major ones such as grooming children for sex, plotting a terroist action or other such options listed under that report function imho do deserve to have an instant suspension for 3 days from even registering (which due to specific circumstances) stopped this guy playing the game.

I would have suspended the guy from his game few days ago posting end game spoilers in the DA2 no spoiler general section if I had the power and so a vast amount of people who came on to register there came popping into see what is in that forums only to have the endgame told to them in a title thread which cannot be avoided. But I admit I'm not a saint I wouldn't have just chocked it up to "oh well I don't want to infringe on his rights to play even though has ruined it for others in the worst possible way" I am not that forgiving personally.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 05:30 .

[CrimsonKumiho]

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption. It's unfortunate that this event had to occur, but all the nerd-rage is getting to be a bit too much for me. I guarantee that there's more to this story than the suspended user is telling.

Always.

[Capn CJ]

That's plenty ****ing stupid of Bioware.

[lzb2811]

Joshd21 wrote...

Master Fubar 23 wrote...

Joshd21 wrote...

Oh please say this is all a bad dream....

1. I just woke up up to this steaming pile of mess with posters who just signed up on the fourm since today surprise are enabling this disscussion further. For one, "He is not banned from registering his product" the man has created at least ten accounts in the past day and half and has spammed the fourms, harssed the mods, threateed to download the game from an illegal source which is not only against the fourm rules, it's down right illegal!

He can create a seperate account and register his product. A fourm ban doesn't equal an in game ban! I know this because a day ago I was banned on the fourms for a period of 24 hours, I was able to log in and play just fine. It was because he was banned BEFORE he got to use his product registered

2. If you are going to speak on this at least do not hide behind a screen name or show you are not a troll who just created your account today. In the span of 24 hours this place has seen a massive mountain inflood of spam and the source is connected to him. All NERD RAGING because he has to wait 2 days?

Are you kidding me, I live next to FT Hood next to people that go overseas for a year and half two years at a time, unable to speak to their family more then 30 minutes on a payphone once every two weeks. You are going come here and complain that he can't play for 2 frigging days?!

3. It was EA that banned him, not Bioware. It is pintless to coutine this debate here. We already know he can register his product on the several NEW accounts he hade made for himself. Or he can wait two days to register it on his offical name. It was his fault for intentionally insulting EA, they have it within their right to do as he pleases and it's 2 frigging days, Get over himself and his ego!

4. You are all simple tools. Do you think honestly he cares about anyone of you. He has created so many accounts posted on so many fourms trying to get this overturned all for the simple fact "I can't play for two days" it's simply disgusting to me how he treats the mods over here, ones who created SWTOR MMO, Mass Effect 1-2-3, Dragon Age 1-2 without that you would be playign Rift for rest of your lifes or warcraft

In closing, overturn his sentence sends a clear message to everyone that gets banned. Yell like a child, stomp and complain it's not fair long enough and we might overturn it. Watch the next person do exact same thing. It's so sad, the devs here interact with us daily, speak to us directly. You couldn't get a blizzard dev to dirctly pm you if your life depended on it. In fact you would have wait 2-3 days for a Blizzard GM.

Get over the fact, he will have get over himself either make a new account register the game problem solved or whine and moan for 1 more day and half. I can tell you he is going on my blocked list and his future posts ignore. I never seen such a spamming, since that DLC was late.

Please direct me to where you found the information for your number 1. Your right about him not being banned and that its only temp but where did you find "the man has created at least ten accounts in the past day and half and has spammed the fourms, harssed the mods, threateed to download the game from an illegal source which is not only against the fourm rules, it's down right illegal!".

It's quite clear. I was here when it started. Someone came on here, linked the situation that happended and Mr. Woo responded, that is where you are getting that offical quote from. Do iave solid proof that it was exactly him who registerd numerous accounts so many times yesterday? no

But this was BEFORE anyone knew much about it. No one person would create so many accounts and spam the fourms repeatedly if they didn't have thier emotions tied into the game. You can aruge it was just someone else aruging on his behalf, yet I seen the vulgar vile comment they have posted here and no person would contouied to do that if he didn't have something invested in the game itself.

That was him, only way to prove it is to match the ISP to his ISP, however Mr. Woo doesn't ban the ISP when he bans so it's easy to create another account without having to even verify your email address, and it's simply the posting came here yesterday linked his thread which he was banned and sparked an outcry debate over it. It has to be him!, he obviously has been active enough to complain to everyone on the web. I for not am no longer listening to such a childish rant.

Read the whole thread again. Someone here call EA on this matter and get confirmation that you could get ban not only from forum, but also playing.

[moilami]

ElectronicAuthoritarians wrote...

Watch what you say. They have ears and eyes everywhere. 

This is art. Very well done.

I would not be surprised if they would be watching with interest this forum and evaluating can they keep the current system of having big brother powers and chosing when a consumer can play an offline game.

Anyway this pisses me big time and not least because of the fact that I can't still stop buying EA games.

[Bhav]

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption. It's unfortunate that this event had to occur, but all the nerd-rage is getting to be a bit too much for me. I guarantee that there's more to this story than the suspended user is telling.

I'll hold my hands up and honestly say that I got banned for posting a picture of DA2 opinions with multiple uses of an alternative word for feces. 

So do I deserve to lose the games I have paid for and bound to this account because of that?

[Maera Imrov]

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption. It's unfortunate that this event had to occur, but all the nerd-rage is getting to be a bit too much for me. I guarantee that there's more to this story than the suspended user is telling.

I'm positive there is. That's why I gave up reading this thread about 3 pages past where I posted last night. I'm not that upset about it, more curious, or slightly concerned. I'm waiting more for some official word on it. Though I do still firmly believe that the forum posting rights (which the person in question was right to lose, by his own admission) should not be tied to your ability to register -and by extension play, for DA2- a game.

It shouldn't be so very difficult for their servers to detect if a request is coming from in game, or not. And by extension, have a page that you can log in to, regardless of forum access, to register DLC and so forth. It would require some reworking, perhaps, but imo, it should have been that way from the outset. Would have saved us a 30+ page thread.

[lisakover]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

Funny thing about those terms and conditions... they dont hold up very well in court and what EA is doing is illegal. Go troll elsewhere.

>go troll elsewhere

*looks at join date*

pahahahha. 

But seriously, why do you say I'm trolling? What I'm doing is being realistic. How can the terms and conditions be illegal? Thats absolutely ridiculous, and extremely wishful thinking. 

This is like that massive thread that eventually got locked on the Modern Warfare 2 PC forums, where people were going to organise a lawsuit against Infinity Ward because of their inaccurate advertisement of MW2 on the PC. (re: matchmaking being better than dedicated servers). Nothing is going to happen, if people try to organise a lawsuit, everyone will chicken out. 

*Looks at join date*



Oh you.

[Akka le Vil]

I just wanted to say a smug "I told you so" to all the idiots who saw no problem with more and more DRM requiring to link a game to an Internet account.
THAT is the kind of abuse you can expect with such one-sided and intrusive "protections".