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[Corvus Black]

well, back in time, old c&c community manager once said that if a person is banned from forums, his cd key will also be banned.

if i remember correctly, they banned a couple of people too.

there was a huge sh.tstorm of course.

to get to the point, this situation reminds me that.

[The Corporate]

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

Funny thing about those terms and conditions... they dont hold up very well in court and what EA is doing is illegal. Go troll elsewhere.

>go troll elsewhere

*looks at join date*

pahahahha. 

But seriously, why do you say I'm trolling? What I'm doing is being realistic. How can the terms and conditions be illegal? Thats absolutely ridiculous, and extremely wishful thinking. 

This is like that massive thread that eventually got locked on the Modern Warfare 2 PC forums, where people were going to organise a lawsuit against Infinity Ward because of their inaccurate advertisement of MW2 on the PC. (re: matchmaking being better than dedicated servers). Nothing is going to happen, if people try to organise a lawsuit, everyone will chicken out. 

The terms and conditions aren't illegal, they just don't hold up in court.

When you buy a game, you don't sign up to the EULA, so if, when EA/BioWare turn around at a later date and say 'Actually, you can't use your purchase unless you sign this additional agreement', you're well within your statutory rights to say 'Well, I had no option to see these conditions before I made my purchase and did not agree to anything at the time, thus any purchase made is no longer valid due to the additional agreements you are now forcing upon it.'

[Fallingblack]

An EULA is not a rights-shattering shield that is all-encompassing that you can simply hide behind.
If we have accountability for our actions, so do YOU, Bioware and EA.

And Bioware is certainly out of their minds if they think a player wants to not only pay up front for ToR but also a monthly fee, knowing that if they hurt EA's sensitive feelings in their sensitive feelings area where they feel their sensitive feelings, they could be banned.
Or you're in a chat channel with a tech guy trying to get help, and it becomes frustrating, you get banned.
Or if you word something poorly, may not have even meant it, you get banned.

From the game.

Modifié par Fallingblack, 11 mars 2011 - 05:36 .

[CrimsonKumiho]

Bhav wrote...

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption. It's unfortunate that this event had to occur, but all the nerd-rage is getting to be a bit too much for me. I guarantee that there's more to this story than the suspended user is telling.

I'll hold my hands up and honestly say that I got banned for posting a picture of DA2 opinions with multiple uses of an alternative word for feces. 

So do I deserve to lose the games I have paid for and bound to this account because of that?

Did you?

[DJBare]

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption.

I seriously hope the damage control team are getting paid overtime, I'm willing to believe this was a foolish error(I mean the ban from game not forum), but it's going to cost them.

[lisakover]

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Bhav wrote...

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption. It's unfortunate that this event had to occur, but all the nerd-rage is getting to be a bit too much for me. I guarantee that there's more to this story than the suspended user is telling.

I'll hold my hands up and honestly say that I got banned for posting a picture of DA2 opinions with multiple uses of an alternative word for feces. 

So do I deserve to lose the games I have paid for and bound to this account because of that?

Did you?

B-but DA2 is sss-so n-n-non****

*click*

[lisakover]

DJBare wrote...

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption.

I seriously hope the damage control team are getting paid overtime, I'm willing to believe this was a foolish error(I mean the ban from game not forum), but it's going to cost them.

probably the Antivan Garrote DLC for free.

[Marionetten]

The moderator responsible for this should be fired followed by an apology issued to the entire community. This kind of behavior is flat out unacceptable and makes me question ever doing business with BioWare or EA again.

Wygrath wrote...

This thread is disgusting. I never thought I'd see the day where discussion over on Gamefaqs/Gamespot forums is more lucid, mature, and level headed then on this site. Why are these adolescent minded fools who are traipsing through the forums posting Hitler mustache pictures and ignorant flames and trolling still here. Those fools should all be banned.

Participation in the discussions here is a privilege, not a right.

These morons are being aloud to be nuisances in the name of what exactly?

Get your head out of BioWare's rear.

Preventing him from posting on the forum is fine. It has happened to me and I sure as hell didn't complain back then. The issue is that they disabled his entire EA account. An account required in order to play games like Dragon Age II.

Modifié par Marionetten, 11 mars 2011 - 05:43 .

[Alastanir]

Bhav wrote...

So do I deserve to lose the games I have paid for and bound to this account because of that?

Not at all; I agree that he should be allowed to play his game. Nowhere in this thread did I state otherwise.

On the matter of EULAs, though, I feel that they are a moot point. When I walk into a store to buy a physical copy of a game, the last thing on my mind -- or any gamer's mind, for that matter -- is on a EULA. Gaming software companies that offer a physical product and offline play have no grounds to stand on by hiding behind a EULA, in my opinion.

Modifié par Alastanir, 11 mars 2011 - 05:40 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

That guy seems responsible and reasonable judging by that post and even goes to say how he's always followed the community guidelines and has never been banned before. Saying that BW sold their souls shouldn't get him banned really and who reported him for saying that?

[Eternal Phoenix]

This is just how games are going nowadays. DLC, expansions, having to log into an account and play online. What happened to just paying for a game and then playing it whenever you wanted? Luckily, there are still some good game companies that make games just for you to enjoy.

All the big companies? Bah. Sometimes they make good games and make them worthwhile but sometimes they make half a game and expect you to pay another £20 for the other half.
Small companies? Yes, they're good.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 11 mars 2011 - 05:46 .

[Bhav]

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Ye

Bhav wrote...

Alastanir wrote...

I'm willing to bet the damage control teams already have a plan for redemption. It's unfortunate that this event had to occur, but all the nerd-rage is getting to be a bit too much for me. I guarantee that there's more to this story than the suspended user is telling.

I'll hold my hands up and honestly say that I got banned for posting a picture of DA2 opinions with multiple uses of an alternative word for feces. 

So do I deserve to lose the games I have paid for and bound to this account because of that?

Did you?

Yes. I've tried posting the picture again but censosered, but they just remove it. 

[gilgalad80]

Getterray wrote...

Yes, its quite BS. A comment on a message board should not be grounds for losing the right to play your games. This feels like a violation of consumer rights. You can't, or shouldn't, be able to bury that kind of clause in the EULA and get away with it. In fact, it is illegal to do so.

Yes that is totally unacceptable.  Forum bans are understandable, but banning a paying customer from a product he's purchased?
That is reprehensible and should definitely be illegal. 

Modifié par gilgalad80, 11 mars 2011 - 05:48 .

[Whiteblade9999]

People seem to forget EULAs are rarely held up in court. The only reason this guy doesn't get mad and sue Bioware/EA if he lost the games would be that the larger corporation would win. Them winning wouldn't be because EA or Bioware was right but because of having more funds to draw out said court dates.

This right here is why I loathe account based DRM and wish it went the way of the dinosaur.

Modifié par Whiteblade9999, 11 mars 2011 - 05:49 .

[Master Fubar 23]

[quote]Joshd21 wrote...

[quote]Master Fubar 23 wrote...

[quote]Joshd21 wrote...

[/quote]

It's quite clear. I was here when it started. Someone came on here, linked the situation that happended and Mr. Woo responded, that is where you are getting that offical quote from. Do iave solid proof that it was exactly him who registerd numerous accounts so many times yesterday? no

But this was BEFORE anyone knew much about it. No one person would create so many accounts and spam the fourms repeatedly if they didn't have thier emotions tied into the game. You can aruge it was just someone else aruging on his behalf, yet I seen the vulgar vile comment they have posted here and no person would contouied to do that if he didn't have something invested in the game itself.

That was him, only way to prove it is to match the ISP to his ISP, however Mr. Woo doesn't ban the ISP when he bans so it's easy to create another account without having to even verify your email address, and it's simply the posting came here yesterday linked his thread which he was banned and sparked an outcry debate over it. It has to be him!, he obviously has been active enough to complain to everyone on the web. I for not am no longer listening to such a childish rant.

[/quote]

Funny if you have no proof then how can you condeem him as the one at fault? Also if you were "here at the beginning" then you can link the forum where he posted that he'd priate DA:2 which would show that he brought this on himself but im sure you cant. I've already been searching through the forums for something other then woo saying "use this forum to continue discussion"  which is fine. Although the only thing im seeing is that he got temp banned for asking if bioware sold thier souls to the EA devil. Ignorance is bliss.
 

[CrimsonKumiho]

Bhav wrote...

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Bhav wrote...


I'll hold my hands up and honestly say that I got banned for posting a picture of DA2 opinions with multiple uses of an alternative word for feces. 

So do I deserve to lose the games I have paid for and bound to this account because of that?

Did you?

Yes. I've tried posting the picture again but censosered, but they just remove it. 

I wasn't referring to your ability to post the picture. Did you lose access to your games as punishment for your actions?

[moilami]

The Corporate wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Duncaaaaaan wrote...

You know that thing that comes with every product you buy, but you never read it? Its called terms and conditions. Something, somewhere in there will state in some way that EA can do what they did.

Funny thing about those terms and conditions... they dont hold up very well in court and what EA is doing is illegal. Go troll elsewhere.

>go troll elsewhere

*looks at join date*

pahahahha. 

But seriously, why do you say I'm trolling? What I'm doing is being realistic. How can the terms and conditions be illegal? Thats absolutely ridiculous, and extremely wishful thinking. 

This is like that massive thread that eventually got locked on the Modern Warfare 2 PC forums, where people were going to organise a lawsuit against Infinity Ward because of their inaccurate advertisement of MW2 on the PC. (re: matchmaking being better than dedicated servers). Nothing is going to happen, if people try to organise a lawsuit, everyone will chicken out. 

The terms and conditions aren't illegal, they just don't hold up in court.

When you buy a game, you don't sign up to the EULA, so if, when EA/BioWare turn around at a later date and say 'Actually, you can't use your purchase unless you sign this additional agreement', you're well within your statutory rights to say 'Well, I had no option to see these conditions before I made my purchase and did not agree to anything at the time, thus any purchase made is no longer valid due to the additional agreements you are now forcing upon it.'

When I make a deal there must be hand written signatures of all parties. I could do a verbal only deal too, but so far I haven't made any deals with any software companies or forums. I have just right away ignored all EULAs.

But luckily I live in Europe where EULAs are toilet paper, as they should be.


Edit: When I see EULA "agreement" I just a see a button which I press and something awesome happens.

Modifié par moilami, 11 mars 2011 - 05:53 .

[ElectronicAuthoritarians]

Wygrath wrote...

This thread is disgusting. I never thought I'd see the day where discussion over on Gamefaqs/Gamespot forums is more lucid, mature, and level headed then on this site. Why are these adolescent minded fools who are traipsing through the forums posting Hitler mustache pictures and ignorant flames and trolling still here. Those fools should all be banned.

Participation in the discussions here is a privilege, not a right.

These morons are being aloud to be nuisances in the name of what exactly?

This comment is disgusting. I never thought I'd see the day where forum regulars come crawling out of their holes to defend the opaque, immature, unreasonable policies of a corporation solely because they enjoy their games. Why are these blindly loyal shield-bearers wading through the criticism posting ignorant rebuttals still here? These fools should be hired by EA.

Participation in the discussions here is a reality, not an easily dismissed incident.

Your misspelling of the word "allowed" is remarkably appropriate. To be "aloud" is to be heard, and that is EXACTLY our intention.

[iTIMMEH]

Talk about taking your ball and going home. This is the kind of behaviour you'd expect from a child. A child with delicate feelings.

[Bhav]

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Bhav wrote...

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Bhav wrote...


I'll hold my hands up and honestly say that I got banned for posting a picture of DA2 opinions with multiple uses of an alternative word for feces. 

So do I deserve to lose the games I have paid for and bound to this account because of that?

Did you?

Yes. I've tried posting the picture again but censosered, but they just remove it. 

I wasn't referring to your ability to post the picture. Did you lose access to your games as punishment for your actions?

I dont know because I didnt try DAO which is bound to this account. I couldnt log into my account though, I got a blank white screen saying I had been denied access.

Modifié par Bhav, 11 mars 2011 - 05:56 .

[rolson00]

check this out Imagine how carefully everyone is posting on Bioware network with fear that they might not be able to play the games they bought ,what a way to build a community. EA is one of the worst things to happen to gaming besides activision.
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Speaking of DRM, this has also been making the rounds:
http://www.reclaimyo...…n-Dragon-Age-2

Methinks bioware has a minor PR problem right now.

considering how stupid biowear fanboys are, nothing will happen.

they'll continue to slurp up whatever oozes out of gaiders orifices
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Electronic Arts has landed itself in hot water with PC gamers after failing to disclose the digital rights management snuck onto Dragon Age II. The disc-based version of the game contains notorious SecuROM DRM -- a controversial bit of software that invites itself onto your PC and is regarded by gamers as glorified malware.
from http://www.destructo...sc-196185.phtml

[The Sum of all Evil]

Well, at least this issue seems to show that EA is not the big greedy corporation ppl make it out to be.

I seriously doubt that the actions they took constitue the maximum-risk-adjusted-DCF alternative... *LOL*

Whatever outrageous things might have been said, what were the benefits of suspension and this uproar vs. deletion of posts and no uproar?

[Alastanir]

On the plus side, BioWare's Social Network just received a massive influx of users today -- me being one of them.

[rolson00]

Fissure wrote...

http://social.biowar...index/6459941/1

Or
"talking crap" in a forum, or chatroom. Calling a company a devil, so
you make it so the guy can't play his own  game. Are you all crazy.
That;'s gonna look good, he insults you so you ground him from playing
the game. Get over yourself EA, some people think your a **** company,
CRAP LIKE THAT IS WHY

they are denying him his human rights everyone has the right to free speech:(

[moilami]

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check this out Imagine how carefully everyone is posting on Bioware network with fear that they might not be able to play the games they bought ,what a way to build a community. EA is one of the worst things to happen to gaming besides activision.
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Speaking of DRM, this has also been making the rounds:
http://www.reclaimyo...…n-Dragon-Age-2

Methinks bioware has a minor PR problem right now.

considering how stupid biowear fanboys are, nothing will happen.

they'll continue to slurp up whatever oozes out of gaiders orifices
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also this as well
Electronic Arts has landed itself in hot water with PC gamers after failing to disclose the digital rights management snuck onto Dragon Age II. The disc-based version of the game contains notorious SecuROM DRM -- a controversial bit of software that invites itself onto your PC and is regarded by gamers as glorified malware.
from http://www.destructo...sc-196185.phtml

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