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[Elite Midget]

All this will do is increase Pirateing, especially since Pirates are very good at making cracks, for future games. Why to demonize yourself and punish loyal customers that pre-order your games.

[Haexpane]

Treebiter wrote...

Hmmm, just loaded an EA game and was immediately struck by the irony of their slogan. I think they need to add the following:

E.A Games. Challenge everything...
Except us, our business decisions, your consumer rights, the quality of our products, the EULA, our choice of DRM, franchise direction, forum moderation, etc...

EA Sports - if it's in the game, it's in the game.
And by it's we mean horrible DRM that only hurts paying customers, pirates are already LULZing this.

[Savber100]

Update from the banned user, vware:

"It has actually gotten worse. I started to PM with the mod who closed the thread and he just kept on stating that I broke the rules and needed to be punished.
And on top of that, my second account, with which I posted that thread, got banned from the forum because I discussed piracy. What I basically did was agreeing with someone who said they punish the honest customers and force you to be a pirate in a way. Go figure. This is just a giant kick in the nuts."

Check my profile if you want source...

Screw you EA and screw you Bioware for allowing this crap to happen.

Modifié par Savber100, 11 mars 2011 - 08:12 .

[Zepplin_Rules]

Elite Midget wrote...

Good luck taking it to Court. EA will bankrupt you before it gets anywhere.

They now have Reddit and /v/ up in arms. Reddit especially loves to fund causes of the such. Hivemind may be able to match them if they are upset enough.

[accessd]

It's a really bad marketing move doing bans like this due to all publicity it gets. Unprofessional by the EA support dude who did the ban if I've gotten this right.

[Elite Midget]

A similar issue popped up back in 2008, but then, we were explicitly told by Electronic Arts that "Players who have been banned from EA Forums are not automatically banned from online access to their other EA games".

Looks like EA changed their old Policy or simply doesn't care when it comes to overstepping boundries, hm?

I hope this Massive Bad PR teaches EA and Bioware a lesson.

[Dragoonlordz]

Oslegend wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

EA do not take part in these forums at all though which is why I asked on many occassions if the problem people have is with EA TOS and EULA stating they can ban you then take it to EA. The only people here are Bioware that post and they have already said they never ban accounts only forums privilages.

respond to my post please, you accuse me of being a troll yet you fail to respond to a logical argument i established.

Sorry took while to go back read more of your name calling and such as I tend to now skip over what you say because it always tends to start off or end with names being called.

All people have rights but those right come with responsabilities and breaching those rights by law your car, your house and your computer itself could be taken away from you in any country whether it's the USA or UK depending on your behavior if it's was serious enough such as a criminal activity. To say none can ever take what you pay for is nothing more than sniffing pixie dust, and does not exist. While you may argue that a company cannot removed your possesions if you breach their rules I suggest you look up the concept of Baliffs which have the right to come into your house and take such things if your behavior is of a serious enough cause to warrent the company seeking such services via a court which is more often than not granted.

As for this specific case which you claim isn't what your debating, it would have done you more favour to say it was, because I would agree in principle that a ban maybe harsh and while would be illegal to maybe ban based off only EULAs and TOS the fact is they didn't storm into his house take his game(s) and walk out saying would post them back in 3 days time... No they blocked access to his online based EA account.

The only thing I will side with you on if you was actually saying it which you are not is the simple fact the piracy protection they have requiring players on 'specific' systems and 'specific' forms of data making you register before use is a bit OTT and is what caused this persons block on his game. If he had registered it prior to starting all this he would not have been locked out at all from the game or the DLC if had dowloaded them and had registered his copy no block on his online EA account should of stopped him playing anything unless he fitted into BOTH those 'specific' things I just mentioned akin to playing on Steam which I know is not the case because he said so himself he bought from store.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[lzb2811]

Where is the official statement? I am sure they have enough time to sort this out already.

[sffrrrom]

I sent a lengthy letter to Stanley Woo on this topic and have yet to receive an answer. The more this develops the more disgusted I become. I'm glad I sold my EA stock a while ago. Not that I'm still not losing money lol...

[Fallstar]

Savber100 wrote...

Update from the banned user, vware:

"It has actually gotten worse. I started to PM with the mod who closed the thread and he just kept on stating that I broke the rules and needed to be punished.
And on top of that, my second account, with which I posted that thread, got banned from the forum because I discussed piracy. What I basically did was agreeing with someone who said they punish the honest customers and force you to be a pirate in a way. Go figure. This is just a giant kick in the nuts."

Check my profile if you want source...

Screw you EA and screw you Bioware for allowing this crap to happen.

WOOAAHH!! Careful dude, you could get banned for something like that, and be illegally prevented from playing a game you purchased.

I absolutely hate pirates. Firstly, because they ruin the game industry. Secondly, nowadays they have a more enjoyable playing experience than those of us who actually purchase games.

[DwarvenNoble86]

I have been reading a few articles, including Steam's own link to Rock, Paper, Shotgun's, and I have to beg the question if anyone from BioWare has responded to any of what's been said here? Seems to be that people are asking questions and they are evading the subject.

[Haexpane]

I am not in favor of insulting developers and calling them names, I am 100% against it.

However, if you insult Toyota, they can not prevent you from driving a Toyota car you already bought.

unfortunately, software rules are so out of whack that analogy doesn't even apply.

Paying customers who buy the game in good faith are 100% at the mercy of a ridiculously long and convoluted terms of service that favors the SELLER unreasonably.

[moilami]

Beerfish wrote...

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Hilarious. And I mean that in the best way possible. I agree with the above statement. It is like insulting Toyota and having them repo your fully paid-off car for it.

Go into a Toyota dealership yell at the top of your lungs about how all Toyotas are trash, then perhaps come back and do the same after being asked to leave and you'll more than likely get arrested.  Will they seize your car?  No but they may tell you that the options you had ordered might take a while longer to arrive.

I don't agree with a tact of preventing people from using things they have paid for but when you come onto these forums there are rules and EULA's are stated.  To ignore the rules of forums and to ignoer what EULA's say is on you as the customer.

I really have no sympathy at all for people that act like total asses on forums and then bleat with tears when they are taken to task for their behavuiour.  There are many people voicing concerns, making complaints about certain features on these forums and there is no problem.  Don't want any problems?  Don't act like a 12 year old tool when you post.

I don't like you (lets at least pretend so) but I would be offended and enraged if some game company would steal the game you own just because of something you said.

[flexxdk]

I think that this is mostly EA's doing, not BioWare's. I could be wrong though...

I mainly believe that, because when you report someone using the report function, the report apparently is sent to some department at EA.
I remember that I reported someone using the report function, only to receive a email the next day (probably from a auto-mail-machine-thingythang) that my report was being reviewed... by EA.

And even if it were BioWare, then I shouldn't be here now. I still remember the moment where I talked about... less legal stuff, and got a 1-day ban. In my eyes, this was just a light punishment. In fact, I expected a 7-day ban, or even a perma-ban. And now that I hear of this, I'm actually feeling quite lucky for still being able to play my games...

Or someone reported your post as hate speech, which is one of the options you can select whenever you report someone.

Either way, you could try contacting EA, unless you already did that.

Personally, I don't know what to think of it. It was only one sentence after all, and I don't know if it is hate speech. And if it is, I don't see the worthiness of completely locking someone out of the game just because of something silly.
Then again, apparently the EULA states that EA has the power to do this, that they are allowed to do this. BioWare hasn't, but EA has. Whether this is true or not, I don't know. I'm too lazy to check on it myself.
Either way, you knew the risks of what you signed up for in the first place. And sometimes it's better not to say anything at all, particulary when it are "stupid" things. I learned that lesson long ago.

I suggest you just use a different account to play the game, until the matter is resolved.

Modifié par Whacka, 11 mars 2011 - 08:38 .

[Frogman1975]

You can't come into a forum, cuss at someone, and not expect them to maybe report it. You clicked 'OK' to the rules, even if you didn't bother to read them. Wait a couple of days for the ban to be lifted, and then play your game.

Or create a new account, register your game to that instead, play now, and later, when your ban is lifted, have EA merge the accounts. There are workarounds, but people would rather complain and troll.

Modifié par Frogman1975, 11 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[joe_sinister]

Beerfish wrote...

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Hilarious. And I mean that in the best way possible. I agree with the above statement. It is like insulting Toyota and having them repo your fully paid-off car for it.

Go into a Toyota dealership yell at the top of your lungs about how all Toyotas are trash, then perhaps come back and do the same after being asked to leave and you'll more than likely get arrested.  Will they seize your car?  No but they may tell you that the options you had ordered might take a while longer to arrive.

I don't agree with a tact of preventing people from using things they have paid for but when you come onto these forums there are rules and EULA's are stated.  To ignore the rules of forums and to ignoer what EULA's say is on you as the customer.

I really have no sympathy at all for people that act like total asses on forums and then bleat with tears when they are taken to task for their behavuiour.  There are many people voicing concerns, making complaints about certain features on these forums and there is no problem.  Don't want any problems?  Don't act like a 12 year old tool when you post.

There is no justification for what EA pulled here, none at all. What he said about EA he said on the forums, it should have nothing to do with the SINGLE PLAYER GAME THAT HE PAID FOR, i could care less if his ban lasted all of 30 seconds it's flat out wrong on many levels. And that is the point that many here seem to be missing.  Funny that all of this started because he refered to EA as the devil, then they respond by proving his point. Also to the ones defending this action, if the PR backlash is big enough, EA will change this policy, if that happens will you still defend this action, i wonder?

[crackling]

Now there's the EA I grew up loving when they raped the c&c series.

[Ke11iente]

Funny. I'm no lawyer, but actually read the EULA for the game when I installed it, and I don't remember seeing anything saying that you wouldn't be able to play the game if you got banned from the forums. It mentions some things in there about participation in the EA online community, but doesn't equate violating the rules of the online community with losing the right to play the game. So saying "read the EULA- you agreed to this crap" isn't a valid defense.

If anything, they're just going to drive people away from the forums and their online community. Why would you bother to express your opinion on something if it could get you locked out of the game? It's bad business. EA is good at bad business.

[Frogman1975]

moilami wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

Hilarious. And I mean that in the best way possible. I agree with the above statement. It is like insulting Toyota and having them repo your fully paid-off car for it.

Go into a Toyota dealership yell at the top of your lungs about how all Toyotas are trash, then perhaps come back and do the same after being asked to leave and you'll more than likely get arrested.  Will they seize your car?  No but they may tell you that the options you had ordered might take a while longer to arrive.

I don't agree with a tact of preventing people from using things they have paid for but when you come onto these forums there are rules and EULA's are stated.  To ignore the rules of forums and to ignoer what EULA's say is on you as the customer.

I really have no sympathy at all for people that act like total asses on forums and then bleat with tears when they are taken to task for their behavuiour.  There are many people voicing concerns, making complaints about certain features on these forums and there is no problem.  Don't want any problems?  Don't act like a 12 year old tool when you post.

I don't like you (lets at least pretend so) but I would be offended and enraged if some game company would steal the game you own just because of something you said.

This supposes that he can't create a new account ever, and play the game again. If he got a ban, it's because another community member reported him. If that report was invalid, he can appeal it. If the appeal process didn't work, it's probably because EA has a screen shot and report of something worse than calling them the devil.

And not because EA are necessarily nice reasonable folks. They are still a big company, with all the alienation and distance and lack of emotion that suggests. But because they have a team of lawyers that would flip out at arbitrarily suspending players without any verfiiable proof of offense, and the things that could open the company up to.

[Bhav]

I like eggs. I dont like my soul.

Can EA please purchase my souls for 2 eggs? I just ran out of eggs and I need my din dins

Please dont leave me here to starve, come and buy my soul for eggs, for I like them, yes I do.

Eggs!

Modifié par Bhav, 11 mars 2011 - 08:30 .

[Dragoonlordz]

crackling wrote...

Now there's the EA I grew up loving when they raped the c&c series.

Ah old school C&C lol loved those, no.1 + red alert and especially tiberian sun. Went off them when they switched to 3D and took the fun out of it replaced by flashy graphics.

@ Whacka

I applaud your calm head and resaonable attituted towards this issue, you certainley have gained some respect from me on your veiwpoint. I agree with your statements.

[moilami]

Frogman1975 wrote...

You can't come into a forum, cuss at someone, and not expect them to maybe report it. You clicked 'OK' to the rules, even if you didn't bother to read them. Wait a couple of days for the ban to be lifted, and then play your game.

Or create a new account, register your game to that instead, play now, and later, when your ban is lifted, have EA merge the accounts. There are workarounds, but people would rather complain and troll.

Those workarounds are all against EULA afaik.

And it is completely different thing to become banned of forum than to lose games you own. If you buy a game it is your property. You can play it anytime you want or sell it for that matter.

I want to know what the hell is happening. Do I have to make alt forum accounts to avoid losing games I own and what I have legally bought?

I want explanation. This is big news and not some gossip, and I want facts so I know what I should do as a roflstompable customer.

[aries1001]

As I understand the the user of the account got banned (or locked out) from the forums for 72 hours for calling EA something I'm not going to repeat. As Stanly Wood said, someone (not me) must have hit the report button since this has happened. Even the user who said what he said now agrees that his words were poorly worded. http://social.biowar.../index/6459941/

As for the 72 hour ban (or lock out), the user that said this about EA is not more locked out than he is able to create a new account telling us about it. As for his ability to activate the game, I guess, and this is a guess only that he will be able to activate his game after the 72 hour EA Comminuty lock out (ban) is lifted? As said, I'm just guessing. I am not that sure about the legality of it all or if it is correct that EA should do this. Of course, it is sad for him that he can't play his game right now. But if I were him, I would just play another game.

I'm also surprised that the user whose post I linked to didn't know that the game needed activation online. It should have been on the back of the box and every gaming site like http://www.rpgwatch.com did have posts about DA2 needing online activation. THere's even a very big thread about the DRM used in DA2.

More general, I would say that this, of course, is a drawback of more and more games using online activation. I know that we can play offline when playing DA2, but if we're connected to the internet when playing, there is a game ownership check every time we play. Hopefully, this is the only things that's happening?

Edit:

As for EULAs and Terms of Service, I'm also not sure about the legalities of it all. However, I do know there have been cases where the eulas have not been uphold by the courts. Don't know about the terms of service. I do know that today, in most instances, games you buy are no longer yours. They're the intellectual property of EA/Bioware for instance; you do own the disc that the game is located on. You do not, as I understand it, own the actual content of said disc. The content on the disc belongs to EA/Bioware in this case. If it didn't you were free to publish it as your own work, alter it in any way you see fit. Or take the models, textures and use them as your own. You are, however, not allowed to do this.

Whether or not EA or someone at EA Community is allowed to do so that the user that said something about EA can't activate his game for the next 72 hours (now about 50 hours?) I don't know...

Modifié par aries1001, 11 mars 2011 - 08:44 .

[GRX Dragon]

Getterray wrote...

Yes, its quite BS. A comment on a message board should not be grounds for losing the right to play your games. This feels like a violation of consumer rights. You can't, or shouldn't, be able to bury that kind of clause in the EULA and get away with it. In fact, it is illegal to do so.

Naturally!

Maera Imrov wrote...

This is not an MMORPG, you should not be able to block people from being able to play an offline game that does not involve social interaction for infractions accrued on a social network. If games want to really push this networking nonsense, and have all of our stuff registered here, then they really need to separate forum access from EA account access. Or at the least make bans from the forums have no bearing on what you do with offline RPGs you paid money for.

The fact that it is not surprises me. I always assumed it had been.

MMORPG, multiplayer, or single player, it doesn't matter. What matters is that someone was banned for what they did on a forum, thus they should be banned on a forum level; however, unless they actually did something that is illegal in a game (which is impossible for a single-player game), no company has the right to ban said person from the game.

So kudos to him if he pirates any future EA game...

Kothoses Rothenkisal wrote...

Get used to it, this kind of thing happens in MMOs all the time and ToR is around the corner.

By the way, if this was an MMO how many people would still be questioning this? 

Right or wrong I am not to say, but the fact is if you insult a Customer service rep on wow you would likely get the same thing, only difference is you pay monthly as well as upfront for that.

How many times has it happened in an MMO? I can say, of the numerous times I or my friends have been banned from an MMO's main forum, never did any of us get our account banned. (Besides, DA/DA2 isn't an MMO. It's not even a multiplayer game, it is a single-player RPG.)

[Valkyre4]

Hey Dragoonlordz,

what the hell happened with starvation and wars and all the big problems of humanity you were talking about 44 pages ago man??

LOL

You are here defending EA/Bioware with like 50 posts from the beginning of this thread and you were actually the one telling people how disgusting it is to see them dispute over such trivial matters...

Yet you are still here! The definitive king of this thread! With 44 pages and 50+ posts!Good Job!

irony/hypocrisy much??

Modifié par Valkyre4, 11 mars 2011 - 08:36 .