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[Dragoonlordz]

aries1001 wrote...

As I understand the the user of the account got banned (or locked out) from the forums for 72 hours for calling EA something I'm not going to repeat. As Stanly Wood said, someone (not me) must have hit the report button since this has happened. Even the user who said what he said now agrees that his words were poorly worded. http://social.biowar.../index/6459941/

As for the 72 hour ban (or lock out), the user that said this about EA is not more locked out than he is able to create a new account telling us about it. As for his ability to activate the game, I guess, and this is a guess only that he will be able to activate his game after the 72 hour EA Comminuty lock out (ban) is lifted? As said, I'm just guessing. I am not that sure about the legality of it all or if it is correct that EA should do this. Of course, it is sad for him that he can't play his game right now. But if I were him, I would just play another game.

I'm also surprised that the user whose post I linked to didn't know that the game needed activation online. It should have been on the back of the box and every gaming site like http://www.rpgwatch.com did have posts about DA2 needing online activation. THere's even a very big thread about the DRM used in DA2.

More general, I would say that this, of course, is a drawback of more and more games using online activation. I know that we can play offline when playing DA2, but if we're connected to the internet when playing, there is a game ownership check every time we play. Hopefully, this is the only things that's happening?

It is with regard to your last comment on that specific case.

[Magicman10893]

unlimited_sake wrote...

Magicman10893 wrote...

You realize that they didn't take his game away? The account is temporarily suspended, which means he can't log in, which means he can't log in to register his game. They didn't steal the games from his hands like candy from a child. They didn't steal the pizza he was eating that he paid for. They didn't repossess his car because he talked about the company negatively. They refused his ability to use their services which is inherintly required to use the product, like taking away the fork and knife and plate at a restraunt leaving him with the steak he paid for trying to figure out how to eat it without making a huge mess. The analogy of stealing a product he paid for makes absolutely no sense. Not to mention the fact that the suspension is only for 3 days, and by now is probably close to being 2 days. If all this talk of taking legal action would be taken seriously, his ability to register the game would be back before he could find a lawyer! And let's not forget that this is out of Bioware's jurisdiction. Everyone is blaming EA/Bioware and saying they'll never buy a Bioware game again and blah, blah, blah. It isn't Bioware's TOS that is doing this and it isn't Bioware's ban, it's EA's. That would be like being held hostage in a lunatic's car and runs someone over and kills them, but you getting blamed as an "accessory to murder" because you were in the car and didn't try to stop it.

This has to be the worst argument in this thread yet outside of Dragoonlordz's posts (I'm only up to page 17, though).  You realize that this is the exact same justification that some pirates offer for pirating games?  "It's not stealing because I'm not physically removing anything from a store inventory."  If you think it's okay for a company to take a game that somebody's paid for because it's only a digital copy, then it's equally valid for a person to take a game from a company without paying for it because, guess what, it's only a digital copy.

My point was that no one is taking his game away from him. EA is temporarily banning his account for something he did or said, and loggin in on said account is required for activating the game. I like to think this is an unintended consequence. Like going into Gamestop the day before the game comes out and causing a lot of trouble because the games you traded in didn't get as much money as you hoped and the manager bans you from entering the store for a week. Unfortunately, you need to enter the store the next day to pick up your game. The manager wasn't saying, "You're banned from playing this game," he said, "You're banned from using our services." I think it is unfair that he can't register his product since this was a forum violation, not a violation of hacking the game (well, that would apply to a multiplayer game, but you get the idea), but everyone is saying that the game was stolen from him or that EA flat out said, "YOU CAN'T PLAY OUR GAME FOR STARTING **** WITH US!!!"

Also I would like to mention that this was EA's doing and not Bioware's, so all the people saying that they're done with Bioware forever are casting blame at the wrong person here. 

[rolson00]

what i would like to know is why hasnt ne1 told us if ne thing is being done about ea stoping you from playing games that u bought legally?

Modifié par rolson00, 11 mars 2011 - 08:39 .

[Elite Midget]

In that guys case he wasen't reported by a fellow Gamer but was outright punished without much warning by those in Power who decided to abuse it because they didn't like what was said.

Censoring opinions is wrong and punishing to this extent is beyond logic. They have no right to deny you playing a game you purchased because of what you said. It's stupid and those that enforce this policy have really thrown away their morales for a quick buck.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 11 mars 2011 - 08:40 .

[tekraa]

Clearly the only answer to this problem is for everyone to report everyone every post they make and flood their response system with reports until everyone is banned

[moilami]

GRX Dragon wrote...

Getterray wrote...

Yes, its quite BS. A comment on a message board should not be grounds for losing the right to play your games. This feels like a violation of consumer rights. You can't, or shouldn't, be able to bury that kind of clause in the EULA and get away with it. In fact, it is illegal to do so.

Naturally!

Maera Imrov wrote...

This is not an MMORPG, you should not be able to block people from being able to play an offline game that does not involve social interaction for infractions accrued on a social network. If games want to really push this networking nonsense, and have all of our stuff registered here, then they really need to separate forum access from EA account access. Or at the least make bans from the forums have no bearing on what you do with offline RPGs you paid money for.

The fact that it is not surprises me. I always assumed it had been.

MMORPG, multiplayer, or single player, it doesn't matter. What matters is that someone was banned for what they did on a forum, thus they should be banned on a forum level; however, unless they actually did something that is illegal in a game (which is impossible for a single-player game), no company has the right to ban said person from the game.

So kudos to him if he pirates any future EA game...

Kothoses Rothenkisal wrote...

Get used to it, this kind of thing happens in MMOs all the time and ToR is around the corner.

By the way, if this was an MMO how many people would still be questioning this? 

Right or wrong I am not to say, but the fact is if you insult a Customer service rep on wow you would likely get the same thing, only difference is you pay monthly as well as upfront for that.

How many times has it happened in an MMO? I can say, of the numerous times I or my friends have been banned from an MMO's main forum, never did any of us get our account banned. (Besides, DA/DA2 isn't an MMO. It's not even a multiplayer game, it is a single-player RPG.)

I have been banned twice in WoW forums (lol). When it happened I logged in game with my warlock and lolled in /2 of the forum ban. Everything was more than fine. I did not even got flamed in /2 trade or got snarky comments, which was surprising.

[Dragoonlordz]

Valkyre4 wrote...

Hey Dragoonlordz,

what the hell happened with starvation and wars and all the big problems of humanity you were talking about 44 pages ago man??

LOL

You are here defending EA/Bioware with like 50 posts from the beginning of this thread and you were actually the one telling people how disgusting it is to see them dispute over such trivial matters...

Yet you are still here! The definitive king of this thread! With 44 pages and 50+ posts!Good Job!

irony/hypocrisy much??

I also stated I'm not that nice of a person. Don't recall saying it was disgusting I was saying with all that anger and determination focused on something such as a 3 day ban from a 'game', maybe they could better spend that energy fighting something that matters and gave a few examples. Not making mountains out of molehills like this.

I'm actually working right now in RL at my desk with forums open on my computer as way to break every now and again as opposed to being home able to actually do something else like put on my batman outfit and go create world peace. Not that I would hence the mean aspect of my personality. Though atleast I admit my flaws others take the high and mighty road claiming to be saints and try to right the wrongs of the world from behind a computer screen trolling anything I say on an issue that is less important than alternatives they could be doing.

[Elite Midget]

They have a Policy in Wow that states that the channels must be used appropiately for a reason. Hell, that information on the net is avaible for anyone that wants it.

This? You have to sort through a bunch of Legal bull to find out that if you say an opinion they don't like than you can be barred from playing games you bought.

[Valkyre4]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Valkyre4 wrote...

Hey Dragoonlordz,

what the hell happened with starvation and wars and all the big problems of humanity you were talking about 44 pages ago man??

LOL

You
are here defending EA/Bioware with like 50 posts from the beginning of
this thread and you were actually the one telling people how disgusting
it is to see them dispute over such trivial matters...

Yet you are still here! The definitive king of this thread! With 44 pages and 50+ posts!Good Job!

irony/hypocrisy much??../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png

I
also stated I'm not that nice of a person. Don't recall saying it was
disgusting I was saying with all that anger and determination focused on
something such as a 3 day ban from a 'game', maybe they could better
spend that energy fighting something that matters and gave a few
examples. Not making mountains out of molehills like this.

I'm
actually working right now in RL at my desk with forums open on my
computer as way to break every now and again as opposed to being home
able to actually do something else like put on my batman outfit and go
create world peace. Not that I would hence the mean aspect of my
personality. Though atleast I admit my flaws others take the high and
mighty road claiming to be saints and try to right the wrongs of the
world from behind a computer screen trolling anything I say on an issue
that is less important than alternatives they could be doing.

Your reply is still full of irony... lol

Modifié par Valkyre4, 11 mars 2011 - 08:49 .

[Dragoonlordz]

moilami wrote...

I have been banned twice in WoW forums (lol). When it happened I logged in game with my warlock and lolled in /2 of the forum ban. Everything was more than fine. I did not even got flamed in /2 trade or got snarky comments, which was surprising.

But Blizzard do ban online gamer accounts not just forums as I know people who have had them banned/suspended too for abusive behavior. This is no different to what happened to this guy in the story to begin with (you buy the client as pyhsical media or digitial download much like buying a game from a store, you can't play offline when banned, the only difference is the fact that EA used a method of prevention against pirating that blocked his offline play aka from registering his product to unlock it when his online account was banned. In both cases it is possible to create a new account and continue to play the fact once he made another account he then went back for revenge and flamed them some more making his second account blocked wasn't the smartest of moves from what I understand of that part.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 08:52 .

[Elite Midget]

So just because people are angry about this means that what they're angry about doesn't matter compared to other things? That's stupid because what matters to someone is purely an opinion and isn't the same with each individual.

You may see this as petty but people that care see this as one of the many steps being taken against the Rights of Gamers.

If things continue going to this downward spiral than Pirateing may be the only way to play games you enjoy in the future.

[Crossknive]

Why is this new? It would happen with any game with online activation, and would happen with any Bioware game.

You obviously can't activate a game on a banned account.

[moilami]

Elite Midget wrote...

They have a Policy in Wow that states that the channels must be used appropiately for a reason. Hell, that information on the net is avaible for anyone that wants it.

This? You have to sort through a bunch of Legal bull to find out that if you say an opinion they don't like than you can be barred from playing games you bought.

In the server I were playing /2 trade was for casual chatting and those who tried to trade something there got yelled at times about spamming and told /2 trade is not for trade 

[WastelanderTim]

Elite Midget wrote...

So just because people are angry about this means that what they're angry about doesn't matter compared to other things? That's stupid because what matters to someone is purely an opinion and isn't the same with each individual.

You may see this as petty but people that care see this as one of the many steps being taken against the Rights of Gamers.

If things continue going to this downward spiral than Pirateing may be the only way to play games you enjoy in the future.

 
^ pretty much this

[Dragoonlordz]

Elite Midget wrote...

So just because people are angry about this means that what they're angry about doesn't matter compared to other things? That's stupid because what matters to someone is purely an opinion and isn't the same with each individual.

You may see this as petty but people that care see this as one of the many steps being taken against the Rights of Gamers.

If things continue going to this downward spiral than Pirateing may be the only way to play games you enjoy in the future.

Pirating is what caused this issue in the first place by blaming the company for introducing measures against pirating such as activation codes and registering to play, you are putting the cart before the horse. Their measures are not good and I don't think is very smart but pirates cause the decline of gaming on PC and they are to blame that such measures are imposed. No console copy requires you to register to play I know this as fact. Both 360 and PS3.

[Outamyhead]

This kind of control is yet another reason I'm waiting for the Ultimate edition of ME2, and DA2 (aside from being robbed of $45-60 for DLC, later released for free on the Ultimate Edition of DA:O), won't have to worry about signing in when the content is just there already. I can see why was banned from the forum, but his games that he rightly owns?

If EA want's to act like a responsible parent to teach the kid a lesson in manors, then adopt the kid, otherwise send an informative letter (hoping the parents get to it first), and explain why he was banned from the forum and his games.

[7times6]

Anathemic wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

In all honesty I could care less if I were banned from both forum and game account. I had my fun with my games and if EA/BioWare wants to ban me for my opinion, fine. I'll just be 100% sure not to buy any product from them again.

"Oh but Anathemic, you're just one person, what can you possibly do?" Nothing, but I am a proud person and the determined resolute mindset is better than this wary one I'm having at the moment.

My respect, I couldn't agree more with your post despite being a long time fan of Bioware. This is all which needs to be said.

[j0eli]

OP, I salute you! Even if that means getting shot by that B**W*** comissar aiming at my head!

[Lunatronix]

I remember back in the days when DAO was still in development and Bioware made the announcement of teaming up with EA. Everyone was horrified with the prospect.

This is one of the reasons why. I assume that in few years the whole company will be assimilated to EA bullcrap. In any case, pretty much all of this idiocy was predictable ever since.

[rolson00]

[quote]Dragoonlordz wrote...

[quote]Elite Midget wrote...


Pirating is what caused this issue in the first place by blaming the company for introducing measures against pirating such as activation codes and registering to play, you are putting the cart before the horse. Their measures are not good and I don't think is very smart but pirates cause the decline of gaming on PC and they are to blame that such measures are imposed. No console copy requires you to register to play I know this as fact. Both 360 and PS3.[/quote]
the issue for me is that ea barred him from a game that he bought legally for a simple comment

[Frogman1975]

moilami wrote...

Frogman1975 wrote...

You can't come into a forum, cuss at someone, and not expect them to maybe report it. You clicked 'OK' to the rules, even if you didn't bother to read them. Wait a couple of days for the ban to be lifted, and then play your game.

Or create a new account, register your game to that instead, play now, and later, when your ban is lifted, have EA merge the accounts. There are workarounds, but people would rather complain and troll.

Those workarounds are all against EULA afaik.

And it is completely different thing to become banned of forum than to lose games you own. If you buy a game it is your property. You can play it anytime you want or sell it for that matter.

I want to know what the hell is happening. Do I have to make alt forum accounts to avoid losing games I own and what I have legally bought?

I want explanation. This is big news and not some gossip, and I want facts so I know what I should do as a roflstompable customer.

Nope. If he hasn't registered it yet (which I'm assuming is the case since he can't run it), he can register it to whatever account he wants. As far as I can tell, that doesn't violate the EULA. 

While I don't normally side with big business (or, ever really... so this is odd for me), I can't imagine he would be banned for something as silly as criticism.  There had to be some profanity/vulgarity.

Modifié par Frogman1975, 11 mars 2011 - 08:57 .

[marais]

What's really amusing about all this is that...you put a product out there. Some people aren't going to like it. That goes without saying.

Seriously though? Who cares? I thought the game was bad and not deserving of the high ratings it's gotten from gaming sites. Those high scores are no big deal to me, as time is what's really going to tell us whether this game ends up falling into the 'loved' or 'reviled' category. My opinion is just that--my opinion. If you love the game, more power to you, you'll likely get more of the same coming down the pike. I didn't; I can (thankfully) replay DA:O to my heart's content. There are a lot of modders out there still working on it and I was one of the (I guess?) few people who not only finished it but finished it multiple times on multiple playthroughs with over hundreds of hours played.

What I do find astounding are the egos showing up on the site. EA or Bioware (bottom line same people nowadays, sorry) are so completely pained by something a paying customer on a forum says that they close their account? For any length of time whatsoever? In a game that's not an MMO but a singleplayer RPG? There are adults working here, correct? Not just massively huge egos?

I mean, Picasso got told he was **** routinely. He dealt with it, I'm sure.

Check yaself before you wreck yaself, Bioware. The negative press over this incident alone is astounding and threatens to overshadow the GOOD things people are saying about the game. Which they are. People on all sides need to step back from the keyboards and think for a while.

[ovaltineplease555]

Hmm, a big mouthed brat had his toy privileges taken away because he threw a tantrum.

Its too bad that electronic arts has to raise people's children instead of their parents teaching them that kicking and screaming on a floor isn't the best way to get your point across.

[linistora]

This will certainly effect the rate of how many people will be willing to torrent the game compared to paying for it considering a free version of the game comes with no responsibilities attached....

Oh boy bioware seems to have dug themselves a grave on this one.

[DarthTelvanni]

This isn't great on two levels. One that you can be banned for criticising EA (all be it in an over dramatic manner) and two that EA can lock you out of a single player game you legitimately purchased.

This isn't an MMO, people are paying for a product not a service. All in all this has the makings of a bit of a PR disaster.