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[bvbz87]

I now regret having paid money for this game, and will bear this in mind when faced with this decision later.

Will use at least some effort to persuade friends to avoid condoning this sort of taking with purchases of their own...

[Dragoonlordz]

CrimsonKumiho wrote...

lostspline wrote...

Linksicle wrote...
"gee i found a way to try and discredit about 90% of the people who know i'm an idiot, i'll just 'demand proof' from the other 10% who challenge me and pretend that the point of view i'm pushing isn't wholly irrelevant"

you can leave now

Not to defend Dragoonlordz, but it is a little odd how many trolls have showed up on this forum with no registered games.  

To make it clear, I have no registered games because I don't have a stable internet connection and I just joined recently. Using a mobile device... just throwin that out there.

But point or not, the throwing of insults is getting kind of old. Topic's having trouble keeping up.

I believe you are a real member of the Bioware/EA community that is why I have not responded to you in any form of harsh or negative way. You seem reasonable, the ones I reply "Nice join date..." to specifically are not members but in fact outside groups coming here causing grief. By shear numbers alone of how many have all of a sudden only today joined imho made that relativley clear to most, though there will be exceptions to the rare one or two who actually may have joined today but those ones are not the people who in their profiles have only created and responded to this issue alone.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 05:31 .

[Varus Praetor]

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

[grushvak]

We're not causing grief, we're raising awareness. It's ok, it's a common mistake.

[17thknight]

Wygrath wrote...

If the guy only received a temp ban of 3 days... wtf are you crybabies whining about?

Are you kidding me? He bought a product and they stripped his right to use his property because they didn't like what he said.

Imagine if you played one of their games, posted a negative review, and they then revoked your ability to play any of your games. Forever.

This is APPALLING.

Yeah, it's just a video, yeah you may think it's blown out of proportion, but it's the kind of behavior that people deride governments as being Totalitarian and Oppressive States for.

That it's a company doing it is even worse, because these people come to ouse with their hands out begging for our money, and then laugh in your face after you've given it to them and refuse to let you use the product you bought.

Imagine if you bought a car, and put a bumper sticker on it that GM didn't like, so they remotely deactivated your car and wouldn't let you drive it.

[Chairchucker]

Keele wrote...

You don't like it? Then hit the road.

I can't believe you have the audacity to complain for that jackass that deserved his ban, yet would antagonize this individual that has done absolutely nothing to you.

It's great to know where your loyalties lie, ****.

And I, for my part, have difficulty believing that you actually think the question "Have you sold your souls to the EA Devil" (Which let's face it, as previously pointed out in some other thread on a similar subject, should be taken about as seriously as a comment like "Bioware, your site looks awfully fat in that HTML script") warrants the removal of one's ability to play a game one has paid money to play.

[lost lupus]

Guy's dont feed the troll's keep the topic on the fustration and "unfairness" of the ban in question

if someone comes in attacking you or trying to justify EA's side in this i think at this point its best to ingore it as its clear that nethier side can do this civilly

keep the focus on the issue bickering back and forth just gets threads locked and damages the argument of those speaking out about it

its clear from his posts Woosy is giving the community an outlet best he can but if you continue acting like kids this will just be locked like all the other threads
keep it on topic!

[17thknight]

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

You're right, they've legally tried to cover their asses.

But we, as the consumers, retain the right to never give them any money and not pay their salaries.

Which I am doing, as of today.

[Keele]

17thknight wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

You're right, they've legally tried to cover their asses.

But we, as the consumers, retain the right to never give them any money and not pay their salaries.

Which I am doing, as of today.

Whatever, buddy, this isn't 300.

Your vote and that of the small minority of others aren't going to do diddly squat.

Modifié par Keele, 11 mars 2011 - 05:34 .

[Wygrath]

Anathemic wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

If the guy only received a temp ban of 3 days... wtf are you crybabies whining about?

Contrary to the environment that the internet provides, there are negative consequences and repercussions for your actions.

When you act like a douche, jerk, moron, or pleeb, you have to deal the negative consequences of your actions. It could be worse.

And to you wannabe internet Spartacuses who are trying to talk about sueing:

If you think for one second that you would be able to hold any legal ground against a multimillion dollar corporation over something like this you've got another thing coming.

What team of lawyers wouldn't zero in on the fact that the guy was slandering their client's name on a public forum? You see slander is a real actionable offense. Enforcing a EULA is not.

The issue isn't the reason for the ban it's the severity of it.

We all understand that the user deserved to be banned from forums, however being banned from playing the game is a low blow.

In other words: The guy scratched BioWare/EA. BioWare/EA responded with a kidney punch.

By all rights they could have sued the guy for slander he would have been paying some fines. They chose to ban him and my guess is that if he truely can't play the games it's a bi-product of their ban that was unintentional.

You guys do realize that there is absolutely no proof that he can't play his games other than his words. I'm all for standing up for injustice, but let's some what level headed about this. 

Even Occam's razor sides with the fact that the guy got banned and he's just trying to stir up trouble as a tantrum because he got a temp ban.

It seems to be working to. I can't believe how easy seems to be to get some of you riled up. Why can't you people be this passionate about the real injustices going on in the American government?

[Stanley Woo]

I don't know where my previous post went so I'll repeat it here: you guys are making it difficult to keep this thread open. Let's please remove the bickering, swearing, name-calling, and insults from the discussion. Thanks.

[Anathemic]

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

In all honesty I could care less if I were banned from both forum and game account. I had my fun with my games and if EA/BioWare wants to ban me for my opinion, fine. I'll just be 100% sure not to buy any product from them again.

"Oh but Anathemic, you're just one person, what can you possibly do?" Nothing, but I am a proud person and the determined resolute mindset is better than this wary one I'm having at the moment.

[Naitaka]

17thknight wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

You're right, they've legally tried to cover their asses.

But we, as the consumers, retain the right to never give them any money and not pay their salaries.

Which I am doing, as of today.

I'm going to give Bioware a few days to justify or rectify their action, but I share your sentiment exactly. And for the record, I've bought every single Bioware game since Baldur's Gate 1 with the exception of Jade Empire.

Modifié par Naitaka, 11 mars 2011 - 05:37 .

[Buffy-Summers]

Yet another reason not to register your games on to you forum account

Too much control

[Dragoonlordz]

grushvak wrote...

We're not causing grief, we're raising awareness. It's ok, it's a common mistake.

Your raising awareness of something thats been around for years that hasn't changed? Do you want a pat on the back or a cookie? Any company can ban you from using their products whether its games, music or movies discs. Specifically any of them which use a EULA which is thousends of companies. Regardless of legal or illegal if you personaly are affected by it, then by all means go to court get it overturned, people claim its illegal it canbe overturned so what exactly are you raising awareness of? .. Nothing that hasn't existed for  many, many years. The only difference now is all of sudden a million new accounts pop up on Bioware forums claiming to fight for justice for a. a person who doesn't seek it himself and b. had no proof of why he got banned in reality.

[Garak2]

Keele wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

You're right, they've legally tried to cover their asses.

But we, as the consumers, retain the right to never give them any money and not pay their salaries.

Which I am doing, as of today.

Whatever, buddy, this isn't 300.

Your vote and that of the small minority of others aren't going to do diddly squat.

You will see attitudes like this at different sites all over the internet. That small minority is only getting bigger. I, for one, am thrilled to see gamers standing up for their rights.

[Joshd21]

How to spot a troll

1. Does the person have ANY registered games on their account profile

2. Has the person signed up within the last 1-3 days?

3. On their profile when you click it, is there not a single postive post about Bioware or their game?

This is a disgrace, someone got banned by EA mind you for an insult, not a constructive thought. A flat out insult and they make the situation even worse. It was only for 72 hours but I personally am going to ask they remove the person for good from these fourms.

He has created a massive wave of Spam, Threats, Haressment on the fourms. He claims the game sucks so bad in some of his posts, but in others hes complaining because he can't play. Kinda a double standred if you ask me. He is blowing his nerd rage, clearly he has some issues. I suggest we just ignore them. The worst thing they can hear is silence.

[Xsquader]

StanleyWoo I do agree that the extent of things going on are a bit much but I think it would calm down some with an official word from bioware on the matter... Just saying sometimes a little public relations helps ya know

[Anathemic]

Wygrath wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

If the guy only received a temp ban of 3 days... wtf are you crybabies whining about?

Contrary to the environment that the internet provides, there are negative consequences and repercussions for your actions.

When you act like a douche, jerk, moron, or pleeb, you have to deal the negative consequences of your actions. It could be worse.

And to you wannabe internet Spartacuses who are trying to talk about sueing:

If you think for one second that you would be able to hold any legal ground against a multimillion dollar corporation over something like this you've got another thing coming.

What team of lawyers wouldn't zero in on the fact that the guy was slandering their client's name on a public forum? You see slander is a real actionable offense. Enforcing a EULA is not.

The issue isn't the reason for the ban it's the severity of it.

We all understand that the user deserved to be banned from forums, however being banned from playing the game is a low blow.

In other words: The guy scratched BioWare/EA. BioWare/EA responded with a kidney punch.

By all rights they could have sued the guy for slander he would have been paying some fines. They chose to ban him and my guess is that if he truely can't play the games it's a bi-product of their ban that was unintentional.

You guys do realize that there is absolutely no proof that he can't play his games other than his words. I'm all for standing up for injustice, but let's some what level headed about this. 

Even Occam's razor sides with the fact that the guy got banned and he's just trying to stir up trouble as a tantrum because he got a temp ban.

It seems to be working to. I can't believe how easy seems to be to get some of you riled up. Why can't you people be this passionate about the real injustices going on in the American government?

Mr. Woo confirmed it in his replying post to the individual that EA/BioWare has the 'legal action' to do this AKA ban player from forum and game.

And if the individual was in fact false in his statments, then why didn't Mr. Woo outright declare the statement false instead of posting EA ToS crud?

Edit: BTW this is a gaming forum. If you want to talk about injustices of the American government talk with your college prof errr high school social studies teacher.

Modifié par Anathemic, 11 mars 2011 - 05:38 .

[Dragoonlordz]

17thknight wrote...

Wygrath wrote...

If the guy only received a temp ban of 3 days... wtf are you crybabies whining about?

Are you kidding me? He bought a product and they stripped his right to use his property because they didn't like what he said.

Imagine if you played one of their games, posted a negative review, and they then revoked your ability to play any of your games. Forever.

This is APPALLING.

Yeah, it's just a video, yeah you may think it's blown out of proportion, but it's the kind of behavior that people deride governments as being Totalitarian and Oppressive States for.

That it's a company doing it is even worse, because these people come to ouse with their hands out begging for our money, and then laugh in your face after you've given it to them and refuse to let you use the product you bought.

Imagine if you bought a car, and put a bumper sticker on it that GM didn't like, so they remotely deactivated your car and wouldn't let you drive it.

Unfortuantly your doing what I hate the most your saying/stating it as fact that it was what he said that got him banned, no such fact exist only his word on it.

[Goofy McCoy]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

By shear numbers alone of how many have all of a sudden only today joined imho made that relativley clear to most, though there will be exceptions to the rare one or two who actually may have joined today but those ones are not the people who in their profiles have only created and responded to this issue alone.

You've done this sort of nonsense in other threads as well, shouting down anything short of outright praise. It's not the best way to represent the community you claim to care about.

There are a lot of people joining to voice opinions on this issue because this is more than just an inflammatory opinion on the game, it's a power play by EA that really DISGUSTS anyone with any bit of sense as a consumer.

Consider it a cherry on the top of the vitrol going back and forth about the actual game, and the scope is pretty impressive, which is why Bioware is likely laying out a proper plan to respond to at least some of this backlash.

[joriandrake]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I don't know where my previous post went so I'll repeat it here: you guys are making it difficult to keep this thread open. Let's please remove the bickering, swearing, name-calling, and insults from the discussion. Thanks.

do the drums come yet?

Modifié par joriandrake, 11 mars 2011 - 05:39 .

[Keele]

Garak2 wrote...

Keele wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

You're right, they've legally tried to cover their asses.

But we, as the consumers, retain the right to never give them any money and not pay their salaries.

Which I am doing, as of today.

Whatever, buddy, this isn't 300.

Your vote and that of the small minority of others aren't going to do diddly squat.

You will see attitudes like this at different sites all over the internet. That small minority is only getting bigger. I, for one, am thrilled to see gamers standing up for their rights.

It doesn't matter if it fails to become big enough, and whether it becomes big enough remains to be seen.

[lost lupus]

so i wasnt dreaming

[Wygrath]

Garak2 wrote...

Keele wrote...

17thknight wrote...

Varus Praetor wrote...

If you read the EULA (that nobody does when installing games), BW/EA essentially reserves the right to ban you from ALL services, including the games themselves, for essentially anything. They've left the "offenses" list vague enough that they could likely be interpreted to include the most benign of behavior. In any legal action the burden of proof would be on the plaintiff, not BW. I wouldn't expect to see any kind of legal case being successful after the EULA was agreed to.

Is it an abuse of our trust as BW fans and consumers? Sure. Is it illegal? It should be, although it doesn't appear to be the case. All you can do is vote with your wallet. BW is like any company, they do what they do to make money. If they truly believed that their actions in this manner were costing them a significant portion of their player base, they'd reverse course in a heart beat.

Tread lightly my friends.

You're right, they've legally tried to cover their asses.

But we, as the consumers, retain the right to never give them any money and not pay their salaries.

Which I am doing, as of today.

Whatever, buddy, this isn't 300.

Your vote and that of the small minority of others aren't going to do diddly squat.

You will see attitudes like this at different sites all over the internet. That small minority is only getting bigger. I, for one, am thrilled to see gamers standing up for their rights.

You don't know what happened. You don't even know if the guy really can't play his games at all. Think about it rationally. You can still play Dragon Age Origins offline. You're not signing into the client.