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[Daewan]

So basically, what the majority is saying is that people who make software such as games, and all the people attached to any company thatd does that don't deserve to be paid for their work, or given any respect whatsoever.

They should just expect at all times that people who paid someone associated with their company somewhere at any time (or didn't, for that matter) should have the right to take anything that the company has created, ****** on it in public, make copies and share it with their friends, and in the event that something goes wrong (whether it is the company's fault or not), that anyone and everyone has the right to come and abuse the company, the developers, the technicians, anyone who happens to be associated with the company for any reason whatsoever.

They shouldn't get to take any steps to protect themselves or their work, ever, because it's just a game. Not even with a legally binding contract. They don't even get the bare expectation that people will be polite to them.

Because that's just wild, crazy talk. People who make games for a living get what they deserve! Treat them like dirt and steal their stuff! Call them up and yell at them for no reason! Insult them on every forum that you can find! They have no right to demand that the customer behaves like a human being, they're just walking credit cards after all.

And then people wonder why they start getting games that don't meet their expectations....

Modifié par Daewan, 11 mars 2011 - 10:42 .

[Robhask]

RiouHotaru wrote...

Except the SecuROM thread has been debunked.  It's NOT SecuROM, it's the date release check, which was made by the same team who makes SecuROM, but that's where the similarites end.  So...there's nothing to argue about in that area anymore.

Now what?

I'm not an expert on these forums but I think it's back to the combat system now.

More seriously, had this been true, it would have been an actual big deal. But I'm glad it's not.

[Dragoonlordz]

Anathemic wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Here is my official response. You will likely see this picked up on news sites soon enough.

EA strictly enforces the code of conduct at Social.BioWare.com. If a player violates the rules by using profanity, they will be temporarily banned. Unfortunately, there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended a user's entire account. Immediately upon learning of the glitch, EA restored the user's macro account and apologized for the inconvenience.

I'll be the first to call BS. The user said he recieved a letter in the mail with his copy of DA2 that stated he will be banned.

When I got the mail (email) I was curieus. I wanted to know what I did that was
offensive. The mail stated that I was suspended (forums account ban meant as stated above error did it to main account by mistake)  for inappropriate content. There was no further explenation to what the particular reason (you don't need to know the reason only them and the person involved, if happened to you then by all means you could demand an explaination but it didn't imho you were just a spectator to someone elses problem) was.

Your still trying to keep this going because your not happy in how it ended? Thats not cool.

The issue has been resolved don't try to kick up another storm thanks.

[Woooooyoubannedmeforwhat]

Ya right "there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended a user's entire account."

Nice try the internet does not forget!!! The story is out.

Damage control or not you guys have a forgotten who pays your salaries. WE DO!

And we do not forget!


www.donotbuyeagames.com

[Anathemic]

_LordKain_ wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

_LordKain_ wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Here is my official response. You will likely see this picked up on news sites soon enough.

EA strictly enforces the code of conduct at Social.BioWare.com. If a player violates the rules by using profanity, they will be temporarily banned. Unfortunately, there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended a user's entire account. Immediately upon learning of the glitch, EA restored the user's macro account and apologized for the inconvenience.

I'll be the first to call BS. The user said he recieved a letter in the mail with his copy of DA2 that stated he will be banned.

Really, so where is this "letter" eh?

Edited post to include the user's quote

Ok.  Still don't see this "letter" the person is refering to.  You think he would've post it as part of his proof.  But of course, he was probably lying and of course you people jumped the gun since Bioware/EA are the bad guys now for not making DA2 like DA:O.

Sad. <_<

Assumption works both ways. If he were lying about the letter then why wouldn't Woo or Priestly deny it, instead they post EA ToS instead of calling the user out of it.

Then again I may be wrong, but again assumption works both ways.

[RiouHotaru]

cm0s wrote...

If it was a mistake, how come Stanley Woo didn't aknowledge it in the first place? Instead, he cited the EA Community Terms of Service saying it's within EA's right to ban you from playing the games you've bought.

And then later noted that he was looking into the issue to see if a problem was made.  He said himself that the offices were CLOSED when the ban went down, so all he had to go on was what people were saying on the forum board.  Once the problem was looked at more closely, the mistake was revealed, and corrected.

[_LordKain_]

Woooooyoubannedmeforwhat wrote...

Ya right "there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended a user's entire account."

Nice try the internet does not forget!!! The story is out.

Damage control or not you guys have a forgotten who pays your salaries. WE DO!

And we do not forget!


www.donotbuyeagames.com

This is not 4chan.

kthanksbye!

[Dragoonlordz]

crackling wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Could be just some Damage control/appeasment?

Right because fixing an actual problem and apologizing for the inconveinence the problem caused (you know, taking responsibility for a mistake!) is "damage control".

Wait, is this serious?  At this point, it's nothing but damage control considering the bad pr this has generated is actually a topic of discussion on most forums and videogame news sites on top of the negativity that has been surrounding the game amongst the not-so-zealous bioware fans out there.

Thats your opinion, noted. But that is all it is.

[crackling]

RiouHotaru wrote...

crackling wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Blood-Lord Thanatos wrote...

Could be just some Damage control/appeasment?

Right because fixing an actual problem and apologizing for the inconveinence the problem caused (you know, taking responsibility for a mistake!) is "damage control".

Wait, is this serious?  At this point, it's nothing but damage control considering the bad pr this has generated is actually a topic of discussion on most forums and videogame news sites on top of the negativity that has been surrounding the game amongst the not-so-zealous bioware fans out there.

Since when was discovering a mistake had been made and correcting the mistake "damage control" now?  I mean seriously, is that what we call "owning up" nowadays?  Damage control?  Wow.  Just wow.

Are you really this thick?  The deletion of threads, bans and now the 'public statement' of the problem and solution are all forms of damage control.  The mere fact they realize it'll be picked up by news sites should make you realize what it is. 

[djackson75]

Daewan wrote...

So basically, what the majority is saying is that people who make software such as games, and all the people attached to any company thatd does that don't deserve to be paid for their work, or given any respect whatsoever.

They should just expect at all times that people who paid someone associated with their company somewhere at any time (or didn't, for that matter) should have the right to take anything that the company has created, ****** on it in public, make copies and share it with their friends, and in the event that something goes wrong (whether it is the company's fault or not), that anyone and everyone has the right to come and abuse the company, the developers, the technicians, anyone who happens to be associated with the company for any reason whatsoever.

They shouldn't get to take any steps to protect themselves or their work, ever, because it's just a game. Not even with a legally binding contract. They don't even get the bare expectation that people will be polite to them.

Because that's just wild, crazy talk. People who make games for a living get what they deserve! Treat them like dirt and steal their stuff! Call them up and yell at them for no reason! Insult them on every forum that you can find! They have no right to demand that the customer behaves like a human being, they're just walking credit cards after all.

And then people wonder why they start getting games that don't meet their expectations....

I think what people are saying is that if you bought and paid for a car from ford, get it home, then go on a ford forum saying bad things about the company... still shouldn't lead to a Ford representative coming to your house and taking your car keys, while giving you nothing in return. Not for 3 days, not for 3 seconds.

That's pretty much it.

[RiouHotaru]

Robhask wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

Except the SecuROM thread has been debunked.  It's NOT SecuROM, it's the date release check, which was made by the same team who makes SecuROM, but that's where the similarites end.  So...there's nothing to argue about in that area anymore.

Now what?

I'm not an expert on these forums but I think it's back to the combat system now.

More seriously, had this been true, it would have been an actual big deal. But I'm glad it's not.

Oh lordy...people won't ever be pleased will they?  Eh, so it goes.  At least the ME side of the forums isn't trying to tear each other's throats out

[Anathemic]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Anathemic wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Here is my official response. You will likely see this picked up on news sites soon enough.

EA strictly enforces the code of conduct at Social.BioWare.com. If a player violates the rules by using profanity, they will be temporarily banned. Unfortunately, there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended a user's entire account. Immediately upon learning of the glitch, EA restored the user's macro account and apologized for the inconvenience.

I'll be the first to call BS. The user said he recieved a letter in the mail with his copy of DA2 that stated he will be banned.

When I got the mail (email) I was curieus. I wanted to know what I did that was
offensive. The mail stated that I was suspended (forums account ban meant as stated above error did it to main account by mistake)  for inappropriate content. There was no further explenation to what the particular reason (you don't need to know the reason only them and the person involved, if happened to you then by all means you could demand an explaination but it didn't imho you were just a spectator to someone elses problem) was.

Your still trying to keep this going because your not happy in how it ended? Thats not cool.

The issue has been resolved don't try to kick up another storm thanks.

I'm not trying to start another storm, I'm trying to sort this out.

I doubt the letter was a lie (else why wouldn't BioWare/EA mods deny it?)

[Demonicom]

cm0s wrote...

If it was a mistake, how come Stanley Woo didn't aknowledge it in the first place? Instead, he cited the EA Community Terms of Service saying it's within EA's right to ban you from playing the games you've bought.

Maybe Woo didn't know it was a mistake and his response was general boiler plate, given out when somene publically questions a banning, who knows?

My unease is more with the fact that this can actually happen.  What would be the purpose of banning someone from playing the game instead of just the forum?

Eh either way, I am going to go play from DA 2 and watch Hawke Blender Wield his way past some bandits.

[Dragoonlordz]

Watch now as the forum numbers drop by a vast amount once the outsiders who came to fight this battle leave. Not all arguing fall into this catagory but I am pretty sure that 60-70% of the people who created threads on it and posted in here will vanish from these forums with exception of the ones who will call it a red herring or hogwash and try to flare it up again which wont work.

[djackson75]

I doubt the letter was a lie (else why wouldn't BioWare/EA mods deny it?)

The cake, on the other hand, is in fact-a lie.

[unlimited_sake]

Dragoonlordz: Believe me, if I was editing it to be biased towards my own side, it would look a lot worse. Each one of those arguments were made, and usually with a lot more misspellings and poor reasoning that I removed so that it wouldn't look like I was misrepresenting other people's arguments unfairly.

What arguments do you think I misrepresented? Or are you just butthurt because I dismissed your "argument" that we should dismiss everyone else's arguments based on how long they'd been posting on these forums?

Or are you just - le gasp - failing to address any of the actual arguments by attacking a red herring yet again?

[Dragoonlordz]

Anathemic wrote...


I'm not trying to start another storm, I'm trying to sort this out.

I doubt the letter was a lie (else why wouldn't BioWare/EA mods deny it?)

People get banned accounts aka forum Bioware accounts all the time it's happend to me well banned as in reality suspension which is what he said that he was suspended for 72 hours, now from what I understand maybe thats the account he meant and according to Chris they banned his main account EA one by mistake instead.

I can't prove this but it is by far the most logical answer to me.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 10:50 .

[cm0s]

RiouHotaru wrote...

cm0s wrote...

If it was a mistake, how come Stanley Woo didn't aknowledge it in the first place? Instead, he cited the EA Community Terms of Service saying it's within EA's right to ban you from playing the games you've bought.

And then later noted that he was looking into the issue to see if a problem was made.  He said himself that the offices were CLOSED when the ban went down, so all he had to go on was what people were saying on the forum board.  Once the problem was looked at more closely, the mistake was revealed, and corrected.

I don't share your opinion, it sounds like damage control to me.

[Demonicom]

unlimited_sake wrote...
 red herring yet again?

Less Red Herring and more Pickled Herring please! 

[Haexpane]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Here is my official response. You will likely see this picked up on news sites soon enough.

EA strictly enforces the code of conduct at Social.BioWare.com. If a player violates the rules by using profanity, they will be temporarily banned. Unfortunately, there was an error in the system that accidentally suspended a user's entire account. Immediately upon learning of the glitch, EA restored the user's macro account and apologized for the inconvenience.

Bravo

[Anathemic]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Anathemic wrote...


I'm not trying to start another storm, I'm trying to sort this out.

I doubt the letter was a lie (else why wouldn't BioWare/EA mods deny it?)

People get banned accounts aka forum Bioware accounts all the time it's happend to me well banned as in reality suspension which is what he said that he was suspended for 72 hours, now from what I understand maybe thats the account he meant and according to Chris they banned his main account EA one by mistake instead.

I can't prove this but it is by far the most logical answer to me.

Maybe, oh well I'll let it drop for now and let the rest of the people sort this out. Out of this thread now, bye bye (unless some sympathizers start to troll).

[Melchiah109]

Or it could just be as simple as Stanley not knowing why someone, that isn't even in his department, took action on an account. In fact, nobody does. Unless there is a printed version of the email being mailed to everyone that's posting. Doesn't really matter what you or anyone else thinks anyways. EA decides what goes on. If they tell their peons to say"oops we messed up" then that's what employees will say.

If you think such things are restricted to EA, you should probably stop gaming (or buying any sort of product for that matter) before it gives you an ulcer.

Edit: the above is a blanket statement for all the people that know everything about everything.

Modifié par Melchiah109, 11 mars 2011 - 10:57 .

[Joshd21]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Watch now as the forum numbers drop by a vast amount once the outsiders who came to fight this battle leave. Not all arguing fall into this catagory but I am pretty sure that 60-70% of the people who created threads on it and posted in here will vanish from these forums with exception of the ones who will call it a red herring or hogwash and try to flare it up again which wont work.

I support this, not the act of people of doing it. However that the person is saying. All these posters that have created accounts within the last day or so wil magically vanish. They won't be here anymore and if they will be here,  it will be to provoke fighting. The situation could have been contained, if Bioware prevented you from posting on their fourm like Blizzard and Rift does.

However Bioware is so reaosnable they even allowed you to make a thread in protest of something on thier very own site. It's simply sad that a bunch of people will come here, make threats to download the game from an illegal source, yes breaking the law and how many people simply post here to spread their influnce. (Omg I can't wait 3 days to PLLLAAY)

Now the poster will come back who had been banned and act like nothing had happended. Had he waited one more day the situation would have been over anyways but now after he's got done thrasing nearly our entire community and removed respect from alot of posters. He can now play DA3 a day earlier then he would have.

[Ilikered]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Anathemic wrote...


I'm not trying to start another storm, I'm trying to sort this out.

I doubt the letter was a lie (else why wouldn't BioWare/EA mods deny it?)

People get banned accounts aka forum Bioware accounts all the time it's happend to me well banned as in reality suspension which is what he said that he was suspended for 72 hours, now from what I understand maybe thats the account he meant and according to Chris they banned his main account EA one by mistake instead.

I can't prove this but it is by far the most logical answer to me

And tons of people other people have had the same happen to them, myself included. Were they all "accidents" as well? 

I highly highly doubt that this guy was banned "by accident". Maybe "On purpose, but they subsequently regretted the decision". Even if he was banned "on accident", that doesn't change the fact that tons of people have also been game banned, they just chose to be less vocal about it.

Even in Stanley Woos post, he confirms that its possible to be banned from the forums by EA moderators and have your game access revoked. I don't see how this recent action suggests anything besides attention whoring as a way of making customer support finally listen to your ****ing problems.

Modifié par Ilikered, 11 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[mordarwarlock]

la re-volus-ion was succesful! que viva!

but no really, unlimited_sake pretty much summed up this whole thread and the whole deal, couldn't put it better myself, nor anyone