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[Dragoonlordz]

"Well you are wrong, when purchasing and selling the physical goods you are liable to same trade laws as those sellers of fruits and vegs. Selling CDs and DVD in stores are products not licenses, when i buy physical CD in store i don't sign any document."

Can't Steam also block you from playing both online and offline games not just EA, because specifically it is not a physical product you in your hands have but a digital download of data only. In which case this does not apply.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 mars 2011 - 12:33 .

[AlesMrak]

Dragoonlordz,

yeah steam can do that, because is not physical. But physical CDs are not licenses. Even on digital downloads EULA are jokes.

br.
Dr.Jones

[Deadmac]

If anyone gets banned for any reason from these forums, you can get a hold of customer service to override the moderator. Since the game you purchased requires an account for activation, the price you paid for your product covers the site's (forum's) usage. Technically, the moderators can be fired for banning too many 'consumers'; thus, separating them from the product in which they purchased.

If this gets into the serious realm of consumer rights violations, the United States has agencies available to deal with these issues.

BioWare social is not your average forums. Unlike the other online forums around the web, you exchanged currency to use these forums.

Technically, I paid for (3) three games for around $50, and I purchased (3) three dlc before buying the Ultimate eddition (under another account). I paid roughly $200ish dollars to use these forums.

Modifié par Deadmac, 12 mars 2011 - 12:37 .

[shyzny]

i don't understand how this can be a glitch in any system, unless by that they mean that a person somewhere in the EA "system" made a mistake. Also it still should ruffle peoples feathers that you get locked out of your game in this manner if you get an EA ban, just due to inconvenience. why can't they just do it like they said it works with bioware's ban and it bans from forums and not the game or whatever?

[TheNerevarine]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Can't Steam also block you from playing both online and offline games not just EA, because specifically it is not a physical product you in your hands have but a digital download of data only. In which case this does not apply.

You've been missing the point the whole time, and it's sad.

It's about what's socially acceptable for them to enforce, not what's technically possible or what's written in the EULA. They could say they own your first born in the EULA and most people would still click "Agree;" but there isn't a court in the world that would honor such a contract, much less a society that would accept them doing so.

TL;DR: Life isn't black and white, neither is the law.

[Leon Zweihander]

As a longtime fan of Bioware (ever since Baldur's Gate 2) I am appalled at Bioware's new direction. Streamlining the games to cater to a wider audience I can understand, though sadly disagree with since I prefer the classic rpg setup. But banning people, even on an accident is on an even lower level than the trolls. I still haven't finished my Origins, Awakening, then Witch Hunt playthrough so it might take me a month or two before I get the chance to play DA2; but I hope the sequel retains the tactical challenge and deep storyline that I found charming in the original.

Modifié par Leon Zweihander, 12 mars 2011 - 12:36 .

[rolson00]

shyzny wrote...

i don't understand how this can be a glitch in any system, unless by that they mean that a person somewhere in the EA "system" made a mistake. Also it still should ruffle peoples feathers that you get locked out of your game in this manner if you get an EA ban, just due to inconvenience. why can't they just do it like they said it works with bioware's ban and it bans from forums and not the game or whatever?

sounds like they are trying to pin it on the mod that banned him

[moilami]

TheNerevarine wrote...

Said it in the other thread... but it's good the situation is resolved for now.

Message to EA/BioWare: If it happens again, we (the concerned netizens) will be back.

Message to the few members who supported the ban: Please take your fascist, totalitarian, anti-consumer views and keep them to yourself in the future. It's a losing battle you were fighting, and now you've lost. Back to your caves and EULA pacifiers. The people will always win in the end.

End of line.

Well spoken. And after victory well deserved celebrations with BEER are in order.

[Dragoonlordz]

TheNerevarine wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Can't Steam also block you from playing both online and offline games not just EA, because specifically it is not a physical product you in your hands have but a digital download of data only. In which case this does not apply.

isn't black and white.

I used that exact phrase actually in my posts before on this thread and got shot down for saying there is a grey area but thanks anyways. 90% of my comments on this issue was 1. We didn't know both sides of the story which is true since we only just got the Devs side and 2. That it isn't Bioware imho that should be blamed but EA. So saying I'm wrong.. Sure.. Okay.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 12 mars 2011 - 12:42 .

[Russalka]

I ask again, has this ever happened to anyone else?

[Aurica]

rolson00 wrote...

Evils Arts has done a lot of damage to bioware lets not forget that the B team deserves better than the **** ea's given them. they'v left them to face hordes of angry fans, wait comparrison bioware = king s army EA= logian (sorry for spelling)

If you were a Sims series fan.  You know what they did to Maxis and the Sims genre.  Every expansion introduced more and more game breaking bugs.  And they have no plans to fix them.    The online store that you purchase in-game content does not work for most people outside the US and also alot of people in the US itself.   A bit irrelevant? Maybe...

But its a good thing that I can still download BW DLC after I paid for them... unlike.. sims 3..

[Anathemic]

Russalka wrote...

I ask again, has this ever happened to anyone else?

Not sure about EA specifically but I'm pretty sure no other dev company/publisher has done this.

[v_ware]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TheNerevarine wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Can't Steam also block you from playing both online and offline games not just EA, because specifically it is not a physical product you in your hands have but a digital download of data only. In which case this does not apply.

isn't black and white.

I used that exact phrase actually in my posts before on this thread and got shot down for saying there is a grey area but thanks anyways.

Then what's your point? Pick a side and stick with it. At least that way we could be abble to respect you for you being consequent in your opinion.

Come back to it when you've decided what you believe.

[Lone_Anon]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TheNerevarine wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Can't Steam also block you from playing both online and offline games not just EA, because specifically it is not a physical product you in your hands have but a digital download of data only. In which case this does not apply.

isn't black and white.

I used that exact phrase actually in my posts before on this thread and got shot down for saying there is a grey area but thanks anyways.

You don't get banned for posting negative comments on their forums. You get banned from their servers for abuse and being an all around douche to everyone in game once your reports stack up and you become a problem. You can get your account disabled by trying to steal accounts through IM or the above said. This ban on this kid is nothing but Bioware overreacting to an post that insulted them. Don't even try to compare Steam with what has happened here today.

[darkshade5616]

Good thing the guy got his account back, but I'm disappointed this probably won't result in a lawsuit. Software developers/publishers and service providers need to realize that just because they put something in a contract/agreement that they can't violate the law.

[Eelzebub]

Russalka: There were many individuals earlier who claimed it had happened to them and they hadn't "baawwwed" about it. But they didn't offer any concrete examples.

Personally, I don't think anyone should be prevented from using content they've paid for, regardless of what negative opinions they expressed. Unless EA have proof they are illegally distributing the software, they've got no reason to prevent them from enjoying it. Like I said last night, as long as we're using the game responsibly we shouldn't have our access to it limited!

[Deadmac]

Russalka wrote...

I ask again, has this ever happened to anyone else?

Good question. If it has happened to someone else, I think some serious changes have to be made.

BioWare will need to make a patch to remove the DRM, so people will not need to activate the game. Or, they should start firing moderators for banning 'consumers'; thus, seperating them from activating a product in which they purchased.

[Anathemic]

darkshade5616 wrote...

Good thing the guy got his account back, but I'm disappointed this probably won't result in a lawsuit. Software developers/publishers and service providers need to realize that just because they put something in a contract/agreement that they can't violate the law.

I would to, but it would be a pretty one-sided lawsuit. Cases and lawyers cost big bucks and they can probably extend the hearing for a long period amount of time (long as in years but not infinite) and unless the opponent is financially secure in holding off, he's going to be screwed.

[rolson00]

Aurica wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

Evils Arts has done a lot of damage to bioware lets not forget that the B team deserves better than the **** ea's given them. they'v left them to face hordes of angry fans, wait comparrison bioware = king s army EA= logian (sorry for spelling)

If you were a Sims series fan.  You know what they did to Maxis and the Sims genre.  Every expansion introduced more and more game breaking bugs.  And they have no plans to fix them.    The online store that you purchase in-game content does not work for most people outside the US and also alot of people in the US itself.   A bit irrelevant? Maybe...

But its a good thing that I can still download BW DLC after I paid for them... unlike.. sims 3..

dont go there:) i've got college on monday:P

[Deadmac]

Regardless about how you feel about the game itself, this particular issue can or could have turned into a serious one.

[Russalka]

Oh well, I guess I am trying to see both sides to this because of a few trolls relishing in "the netizen" group. EA seems plain annoying still though.

[aries1001]

As I understand the user got locked out for using profanity, not criticism of the game. As Priestly wrote/said EA monitors the forums for profanity. Probably by using a text parser that's set to flag or highlight certain words or phrases. What I don't understand is why the moderators just don't edit the post containing profanity.

And again, I really thought these Dragon Age forums were age gated so that you had to agree to that you were 18 or above? But that was maybe just on the old (now archived) Bioware forums?

[v_ware]

Russalka wrote...

I ask again, has this ever happened to anyone else?

There was a guy on here a few pages back. He kinda got lost in between the celebration of me getting my account back.

He PM'd Chris Priestly and he just brushed the guy off saying that he was way to busy to spend time on his issue. He had more important things to do.

Actually I tried to look it up again and his posts got censored stating the message: We don't share PM's on here.

Don't know the full case, but this too seems pretty wrong.

social.bioware.com/1976074/

Modifié par v_ware, 12 mars 2011 - 12:48 .

[darkshade5616]

Anathemic wrote...

darkshade5616 wrote...

Good thing the guy got his account back, but I'm disappointed this probably won't result in a lawsuit. Software developers/publishers and service providers need to realize that just because they put something in a contract/agreement that they can't violate the law.

I would to, but it would be a pretty one-sided lawsuit. Cases and lawyers cost big bucks and they can probably extend the hearing for a long period amount of time (long as in years but not infinite) and unless the opponent is financially secure in holding off, he's going to be screwed.

Oh definitely. Ideally some organization like the EFF would represent him. It wouldn't be worth it to sue over monetary losses, it would have to be about setting a court precedent for abusive EULAs.