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[Fernando Melo]

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

And I can play every single game I bought from Steam offline.

......er..............now that I think about it. I have all of the DA:O DLC. Do I need to be online and signed into my EA account to access it?

No, you should not need to be online

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

And what happens if an EA account gets suspended. Can a person still access their DLC if banned?

In the extremely unlikely case where this happens - if you already have it, you can just keep playing it offline.  Off-hand, I don't know the answer to getting new content - it may be the same as the game currently where the login would fail preventing you from doing so.  I'll make sure this is investigated as part of looking into this whole thing.

[apunyfly]

I posted this on another thread...



Well, from what I've gathered, one of the things that matters most to Bioware is the core RPGers'opninions o their games, and the support they try to give to the community...
As far as I've gathered, most people here seem to dislike many of EA's decisions, as well as the influence on the way Bioware makes and sells games....

If Bioware truly still are those they used to be and care as much as they do about the players'opininon, then they will leave EA.

What do you think ?


Edit :  wish to emphasize that this is merely an IMPRESSION based upon reading some dozens of posts and an IMPRESSION based on the way Bioware and the community interact and that I would like to know your respectable opinions.

By the way, I think one really shouldn't need to have to post things along the lines of hte above paragraph, just to make sure their comment isn't perceived wrongly.

Modifié par apunyfly, 12 mars 2011 - 09:25 .

[Garak2]

I have to log in to use my DAO DLC. If I click resume too quickly after loading the game I get an error about unauthorized DLC and I have heard this is quite common.

[Pixieking]

Fernando Melo wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

And I can play every single game I bought from Steam offline.

......er..............now that I think about it. I have all of the DA:O DLC. Do I need to be online and signed into my EA account to access it?

No, you should not need to be online

No, you do need to be online to access DA:O DLC. It logs into your social.bioware account to check you have registered/bought the DLC, and it does this each and every time you start the game.

[v_ware]

Look at this:

http://whatconsumer....contract-terms/
(From the PDF linked on that page)…
Unfair Terms
5.—
(1) A contractual term which has not been individually negotiated shall be regarded asunfair if, contrary to the requirement of good faith, it causes a significant imbalance in the parties’rights and obligations arising under the contract, to the detriment of the consumer.
(2) A term shall always be regarded as not having been individually negotiated where it hasbeen drafted in advance and the consumer has therefore not been able to influence the substanceof the term.

I suppose a good question would be, is an EULA a “contract”? According to EA it is: (EA’s T&C). “These Terms of Service form a legally binding contract between you and EA”.

...So...Pretty shady stuff EA...

Modifié par v_ware, 12 mars 2011 - 09:35 .

[D34Dite]

i wonder how long it will be before dragon age 3 is out, a year perhaps? EA will get cracking the whip at bioware pretty sharpish, i imagine. Long time bioware fan here, but after shelling out on dragon age 2, i doubt ill be buying any other bioware game, with each one they get more and more unRPG and streamlined to suit the adhd kiddies with the consoles.I have played about 15 hours of DA2.. and it really does have the copy/paste map madness i heard about it

[Fernando Melo]

Garak2 wrote...

I have to log in to use my DAO DLC. If I
click resume too quickly after loading the game I get an error about
unauthorized DLC and I have heard this is quite common.

I'll answer the login point in the response to Emoking.  But the error on the quick resume is that the DLCs haven't finished loading properly into the game by the time you hit resume and it tried to load into a save that requires DLC.

Emoking wrote...

Fernando Melo wrote...

Nathander Von Eric wrote...

And I can play every single game I bought from Steam offline.

......er..............now that I think about it. I have all of the DA:O DLC. Do I need to be online and signed into my EA account to access it?

No, you should not need to be online

No, you do need to be online to access DA:O DLC. It logs into your social.bioware account to check you have registered/bought the DLC, and it does this each and every time you start the game.

I realize that is the case for some players, but that's actually a very elusive bug.  The system was designed to allow you to do a one time check and then allow you to play offline. 

DAO uses the updater service to download content as well as check for entitlements on the account - this service works great for the majority, but it is also the culprit in 99% of the remaining cases where it either does not install correctly or requires a manual restart or requires the player to always be logged in to work correctly.

That's not the case with DA2 (we don't use that system anymore).

[ToJKa1]

Yeah, i have that bug, the service just doesn't run properly. Causes some issues getting DLC working after a reinstall.

[fastgiga_1]

I suppose a good question would be, is an EULA a “contract”?

Unfortunately it depends on where you are from. In Germany (and as far as I know also in the rest of europe) it is not.

In fact: The only contract you as a buyer have, is the contract with the company from which you bought the game. maybe amazon, or Wal-Mart or whatever. There is no contract between you and EA/BW. except for when you buy the game directly from EA in an online shop.
Even if EA prints a small tiny footnote on the game cover like: "you have to agree to the EULA to play this game", it doesn't matter.
Even if you click on "i've read the EULA and accept it", it's still not a contract.

Bevor you buy the game, EA must ensure, that you have read, and understand the EULA, if the dont have (which is the case normally), the EULA ist just something like a Standard form contract.


and as a Standard form contract its bound to very strict rules. e.g. in germany its forbidden to print something in the Standard form contract which you as a customer couldn't expect.

So if the print something like:
"We have the right to take this game away from you forever, without saying you why, and without giving you your money back."

Then this might be something you couldn't expect. So it doesn't count.

BUT:

The only possibility you have is to go to court and fight for this right. you probably will win this struggle but it will take some time, and if you dont have a defense insurance it will cost some money.

Just to make it clear: im not a lawyer, but the consumer protection is very clear and understandable.

[DJBare]

Godeshus wrote...
So no one's going to boycott anyone. You're all junkies just admit it.

Not all of us are junkies, the bad press came in so thick and fast that I canceled my pre-order, ok I am a junkie, but I just could not justify the cost in the end, I'm not feeling happy about it, now I have to wait for the next RPG, it's just unfortunate it will not be a Bioware game.

[Godeshus]

I always justify the cost of a videogame by comparing it to a night out with my girlfriend.

20$ for a movie then at the least 40$ for supper.

We're looking minimum 60$ for a few hours of entertainment. Entertainment that is completely worth the cost.

So 60$ for a game is not that bad, even if it isn't a great game.

[yousoldyoursoultotheeadevil]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

unlimited_sake wrote...

Dragoonlordz and everyone else talking in the previous topic talking about how the guy might have lied about what he said to get banned, forget about that for a second. That's not the point. Here's what Stanley Woo said when he locked the first thread.

2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC.

Now whether the guy whose account was locked told the truth, or he got banned because he was inciting racial hatred, as you suggested, or he posted pictures of dead kittens, or he posted Flemeth/Tali fanfic, it is irrelevant. What's at issue is this: is it okay for EA/Bioware to prevent someone from using a product he's already paid $60 for (plus any other products that may have been linked to his account) without refund because he posted something that they didn't like on their forums?

If so, what if the product cost $600? $6000? Where do you draw the line?

What's at issue is our rights as a consumer, and how this policy violates it.

Quite. Even if it's not as if he said anything that was worse than the standard Activision/Kotick/Devil deal or M$, he still has the right to the items he purchased.

However, it's not about him in particular. It's about the policy itself.

Completley Agree, Not about the indiviudual, but about the precedent it sets .Glad I buy hard console copies. Being threatened with confiscation for not boot licking makes me want to pirate more than support draconian companies.

[epiccrabs]

yousoldyoursoultotheeadevil wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

unlimited_sake wrote...

Dragoonlordz and everyone else talking in the previous topic talking about how the guy might have lied about what he said to get banned, forget about that for a second. That's not the point. Here's what Stanley Woo said when he locked the first thread.

2. EA Community bans come down from a different department and are the result of someone hitting the REPORT POST button. These bans can affect access to your game and/or DLC.

Now whether the guy whose account was locked told the truth, or he got banned because he was inciting racial hatred, as you suggested, or he posted pictures of dead kittens, or he posted Flemeth/Tali fanfic, it is irrelevant. What's at issue is this: is it okay for EA/Bioware to prevent someone from using a product he's already paid $60 for (plus any other products that may have been linked to his account) without refund because he posted something that they didn't like on their forums?

If so, what if the product cost $600? $6000? Where do you draw the line?

What's at issue is our rights as a consumer, and how this policy violates it.

Quite. Even if it's not as if he said anything that was worse than the standard Activision/Kotick/Devil deal or M$, he still has the right to the items he purchased.

However, it's not about him in particular. It's about the policy itself.

Completley Agree, Not about the indiviudual, but about the precedent it sets .Glad I buy hard console copies. Being threatened with confiscation for not boot licking makes me want to pirate more than support draconian companies.

Watch out, EA hates your name and will do anything to pry that game out of your hands. They're the anti-youknow-christ. WHOOPS DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, 

[yousoldyoursoultotheeadevil]

oh really? i thought my name was randomly chosen after my great great grand uncle.

[Godeshus]

yousoldyoursoultotheeadevil wrote...
Completley Agree, Not about the indiviudual, but about the precedent it sets .Glad I buy hard console copies. Being threatened with confiscation for not boot licking makes me want to pirate more than support draconian companies.

Playing pirated games does nothing BUT support the company that made it. The Vgame industry surpassed the movie sales industry last year in profits. It isn't coincidental that the more pirated games are made available the more money the developer makes. The popularity of pirated games draws scores of legitimate customers and that beefs up sales significantly.

What you are suggesting is merely an excuse for you to justify theft to yourself. If you really wanted to affect draconian measures then the only possible way to do this is to just not play the game at all. And/Or join a group or community that is against copy-protection.

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[moilami]

v_ware wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Haexpane wrote...
Relatively "internet" famous, which is the same as finding $5 on the street and considering yourself rich.

I know right.

But still, finding 5$ on the street is still pretty sweet

Unless it was covered in filth

Killjoy.

And we're getting a little off topic.

They just hate to see winners.


Edit: Especially when they lose. That makes them bad losers.

Modifié par moilami, 12 mars 2011 - 10:50 .

[mischievousape]

Is this whole saga actually real? EA banned someone from playing their own games over some micro-print clause in the license about "inappropriate" behaviour on a FORUM?>?>?

Bioware...please extricate yourself from this bEAst of a company if you at all can.

[v_ware]

moilami wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

v_ware wrote...

Haexpane wrote...
Relatively "internet" famous, which is the same as finding $5 on the street and considering yourself rich.

I know right.

But still, finding 5$ on the street is still pretty sweet

Unless it was covered in filth

Killjoy.

And we're getting a little off topic.

They just hate to see winners.

Let's see how they behave when EA/Bioware puts a big boot up their arse.

[v_ware]

mischievousape wrote...
Is this whole saga actually real? EA banned someone from playing their own games over some micro-print clause in the license about "inappropriate" behaviour on a FORUM?>?>?

It is real. Chris Priestly posted an official statement a few pages back. I got a mail with and apoligy from the senior director of customer support. They stated it was an error and my account has been restored.

[Godeshus]

Your story was quite tragic v-ware and it's good to see you posting here with your original account. Welcome back!

lol how does it feel to be an internet celebrity? you're totally 'that guy that got banned from his game for flaming the devs"

or even

"Hey did you hear that some dude got banned from playing his game because he called EA a devil?"

Lol you're totally famous now.

-godeshus

[epiccrabs]

v_ware wrote...

mischievousape wrote...
Is this whole saga actually real? EA banned someone from playing their own games over some micro-print clause in the license about "inappropriate" behaviour on a FORUM?>?>?

It is real. Chris Priestly posted an official statement a few pages back. I got a mail with and apoligy from the senior director of customer support. They stated it was an error and my account has been restored.

Yeah yeah yeah that's good and all BUT HAVE YOU SEEN THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN VOICE?!?!?!?

[mischievousape]

I'm sitting here wondering if we should all get banned from EA games deliberately. They are behaving like ****s and mass resistance is the only cure.

[mischievousape]

That word was meant to be the party that Hitler set up n4zi..lol

[oscheng]

I can't be bothered reading the entire thread (it is huge). This story has hit the twit.tv podcasts. Also, I read the thread where stanley woo replied. Woo came across as a bit of an officious, unpleasant individual in that post.

I note that other posts online say that EA have now backtracked.