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[Garak2]

maxut85 wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

grushvak wrote...

We're not causing grief, we're raising awareness. It's ok, it's a common mistake.

Your raising awareness of something thats been around for years that hasn't changed? Do you want a pat on the back or a cookie? Any company can ban you from using their products whether its games, music or movies discs. Specifically any of them which use a EULA which is thousends of companies. Regardless of legal or illegal if you personaly are affected by it, then by all means go to court get it overturned, people claim its illegal it canbe overturned so what exactly are you raising awareness of? .. Nothing that hasn't existed for  many, many years. The only difference now is all of sudden a million new accounts pop up on Bioware forums claiming to fight for justice for a. a person who doesn't seek it himself and b. had no proof of why he got banned in reality.

Your argument seems to be: "Entertainment companies have been screwing customers for years, why are you now getting upset about it?".


LOL, you're right, it has been going on for years but people are tolerant and tend to put up with BS for a while before they fight back. The fight has now begun though.

but what are we going to do to fight ?

What we are doing, speaking out. It has more power than you realize. Before this is done EA will have to reconsider this policy at the very least and they may even change it.

[Xsquader]

You know Stanley might not have everything he needs at home. Ever heard of a local intranet?

[Dragoonlordz]

ZacOfTheZombies wrote...

Bioware is being a bit childish about this whole thing. It's one thing to ban people for blatently trolling, it's quite another to ban someone because they don't like your newest game.

Bioware didn't ban him, neither did EA they suspended him for reasons he claims were just bad mouthing them.

[Keele]

epiccrabs wrote...

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Does Stanley woo not have the internets machine at his small apartment?

He does but he's just saying that so that biodrones would protect him. I WURK UVERT1EM N AL00nE PITY ME!!!!!! PITY ME!!!!!!!!!!!

He has my pity.

I would've banned you all.

And then quit.

Modifié par Keele, 11 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[mordarwarlock]

viva la re-volus-ion!!!

[NeoSpriggan]

Aw, I missed my chance to post in the original thread.

Anywho, a 72 hour ban for insulting two companies practically to their faces sounds perfectly reasonable.

And I do call his reason for being banned into question. The community reported it like swarm of angry bees, not much blaming you can really put on EA or BW for reacting, and like I said, its not that bad.

Grow up and stop acting like its the apocalypse.

[Chairchucker]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Even if what he claims is true lets face the facts, he was "suspended" not banned, they didn't take away his games never to be returned. This is like I said some outsiders causing trouble, while managing to lure in a few regular forum members into the debate by ever increasing the range of the arguement from such things as indivdual case to now war on EULAs. IF you feel wronged by a EULA by all means seek legal advise or try ot get it overturned if the issue is THAT important to you, but don't come here trying to enrage others to join your cuase.

We can safely assume, firstly, that it is true, and the reason that we can do this is that when a mod, who has the ability to check things like an account's access, replied to the initial complaint, instead of saying words to the effect of "Really? That's quite unfortunate, let me look into it" or even "That's funny, when I look at your account it shows that you have access to your games, why not try again in half an hour or so" his reply ran more to the tune of "Yes. EA is entitled to do exactly what you have described. It's in this ridiculously long document that no one has ever read. Ever."

Secondly, it is my position that one should never, ever simply roll over and quietly allow a company to do something one feels is injust simply because they're legally able to do it. Forums like this exist in part to voice displeasure of decisions like that. Have people already forgotten that it was Bioware who was able to convince their distributor at the time to reverse a decision on DRM (for Mass Effect on PC, if I remember correctly; I might not though, someone else might have a better memory.) on the basis of forum posts?

No one ever changed something for the better by simply throwing up their hands and saying "Well, I guess they're legally entitled to do this, no reason to try and persuade them otherwise."

[Dragoonlordz]

Garak2 wrote...

maxut85 wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

grushvak wrote...

We're not causing grief, we're raising awareness. It's ok, it's a common mistake.

Your raising awareness of something thats been around for years that hasn't changed? Do you want a pat on the back or a cookie? Any company can ban you from using their products whether its games, music or movies discs. Specifically any of them which use a EULA which is thousends of companies. Regardless of legal or illegal if you personaly are affected by it, then by all means go to court get it overturned, people claim its illegal it canbe overturned so what exactly are you raising awareness of? .. Nothing that hasn't existed for  many, many years. The only difference now is all of sudden a million new accounts pop up on Bioware forums claiming to fight for justice for a. a person who doesn't seek it himself and b. had no proof of why he got banned in reality.

Your argument seems to be: "Entertainment companies have been screwing customers for years, why are you now getting upset about it?".


LOL, you're right, it has been going on for years but people are tolerant and tend to put up with BS for a while before they fight back. The fight has now begun though.

but what are we going to do to fight ?

What we are doing, speaking out. It has more power than you realize. Before this is done EA will have to reconsider this policy at the very least and they may even change it.

Actually I don't think they will and I don't think they have too... This so called revolution is tiny in reality between a few twitters/reddits/game sites and forums. This isn't the issue that's going to force any companies walls to come crashing down around them by any means.

[Goofy McCoy]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The only ones currently that in my most recent posts is having a go at these non Bioware game players coming in here starting nothing more than personal vendettas against the concept of EULA and TOS should not fool you if you actually look back at my post history, which I advise before making such a comment please.

Advise away, but before assuming me to be any man's fool, I'd ask you to prove THIS:

The only ones currently that in my most recent posts is having a go at these non Bioware game players

You claim to know for fact that every single person you attack is not a paying customer? Based on some sort of PROOF, I'd hope? It'd be foolish of you to assume such things, and I could only advise against such assumptions.

[SlurpinTaxt]

epiccrabs wrote...

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Does Stanley woo not have the internets machine at his small apartment?

He does but he's just saying that so that biodrones would protect him. I WURK UVERT1EM N AL00nE PITY ME!!!!!! PITY ME!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh the biodrones, i give you too much crap. If not for you, who would i get frustrated at?

Really im just pissed at stanley for locking down my petition against awkward robot secks in video games thread. No more robot secks please and thank you

[Esau_of_Isaac]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ZacOfTheZombies wrote...

Bioware is being a bit childish about this whole thing. It's one thing to ban people for blatently trolling, it's quite another to ban someone because they don't like your newest game.

Bioware didn't ban him, neither did EA they suspended him for reasons he claims were just bad mouthing them.

Irrelevant. He stated he was barred from being capable of playing EA titles he had already owned such as Dragon Age: Origins. If you support this product you are at best woefully ignorant, at worst braindead. Or, possibly, an employee of the company trying in the most tactless and disgusting manner to present some form of damage control. I mean, I don't believe that, but how hilarious would it be, right?

[BeardedNinja]

Garak2 wrote...

maxut85 wrote...

Garak2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

grushvak wrote...

We're not causing grief, we're raising awareness. It's ok, it's a common mistake.

Your raising awareness of something thats been around for years that hasn't changed? Do you want a pat on the back or a cookie? Any company can ban you from using their products whether its games, music or movies discs. Specifically any of them which use a EULA which is thousends of companies. Regardless of legal or illegal if you personaly are affected by it, then by all means go to court get it overturned, people claim its illegal it canbe overturned so what exactly are you raising awareness of? .. Nothing that hasn't existed for  many, many years. The only difference now is all of sudden a million new accounts pop up on Bioware forums claiming to fight for justice for a. a person who doesn't seek it himself and b. had no proof of why he got banned in reality.

Your argument seems to be: "Entertainment companies have been screwing customers for years, why are you now getting upset about it?".


LOL, you're right, it has been going on for years but people are tolerant and tend to put up with BS for a while before they fight back. The fight has now begun though.

but what are we going to do to fight ?

What we are doing, speaking out. It has more power than you realize. Before this is done EA will have to reconsider this policy at the very least and they may even change it.

Doubtful you ever see how many people complained about the Halo banhammer? didnt change a thing because they agreed to follow the rules then didnt and then suffered the consequences.

[ZacOfTheZombies]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

ZacOfTheZombies wrote...

Bioware is being a bit childish about this whole thing. It's one thing to ban people for blatently trolling, it's quite another to ban someone because they don't like your newest game.

Bioware didn't ban him, neither did EA they suspended him for reasons he claims were just bad mouthing them.

I saw his original post, he really was just stating that the game was bad. I wouldn't try to make this whole incident bigger then it is.

[MacDoubt]

You know, folks, it's not about whether the EULA is fair, seeing as he agreed to it.

He didn't buy the game, he bought a license to USE the game. EA/Bioware has rescinded this license temporarily. Sucks, but I'm sure if we wait, we will get an answer. Give them 'till close of business on Friday.

[17thknight]

morgueanna wrote...

You really think that a video game demands that type of attention?  Really?

I hope Stanley went home.  And left his bosses in peace.  Is this a serious issue?  Sure.  Is it serious enough to call your BOSS and DEMAND he get on the forums right now???  When he could just look at it tomorrow?  Come on.

I think things were handled poorly on both sides.  If a Bioware rep would have posted that the office was closing and that they would look into it tomorrow, I don't think things would have escalated to this point.

But to compare a video game ban to calling generals...get a life people.

This is these people's livelihood. They depend upon consumers to shill out money for their products. For every person who doesn't do that, that's lost profits. Eventually, that becomes lost investor confidence. That turns into layoffs. That turns into closing the company's doors.

It always begins with bad PR. This causes consumer confidence to degrade, however minutely, bit by bit, in a company. An incident like this gets into people's minds and it sticks there. It will be on the internet forever, for people to reference, and for anyone to quote.

When something this bad for a company gets out, you do damage control IMMEDIATELY. You don't want 2 hours, you don't wait 2 minutes. The second you have a response, you give it. If possible, you simply rectify it so that it's a non-issue.

But in the days of a news story reaching every corner of the globe with one click of a mouse, waiting until tomorrow morning for an official response is too late. By the, no one's looking for the official response anymore. Everyone will already know the storye.

Damage done.

[joriandrake]

Garak2 wrote...

morgueanna wrote...

17thknight wrote...


So pick up a cellphone, call your boss, and get an official response. I've managed to get Admirals on the phone in a matter of minutes when I was only a little peon enlisted nuke, and I doubt it's remotely that hard to reach someone higher up your ladder. I think the potential for this to snowball is already being seen, as it's blowing up on quite a few sites.

You really think that a video game demands that type of attention?  Really?

I hope Stanley went home.  And left his bosses in peace.  Is this a serious issue?  Sure.  Is it serious enough to call your BOSS and DEMAND he get on the forums right now???  When he could just look at it tomorrow?  Come on.

I think things were handled poorly on both sides.  If a Bioware rep would have posted that the office was closing and that they would look into it tomorrow, I don't think things would have escalated to this point.

But to compare a video game ban to calling generals...get a life people.

You do realize that this isn't confined to this site ya know, it's all over the internet by now and has been for hours.

it is? where? I want links :happy:

[Dragoonlordz]

Chairchucker wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Even if what he claims is true lets face the facts, he was "suspended" not banned, they didn't take away his games never to be returned. This is like I said some outsiders causing trouble, while managing to lure in a few regular forum members into the debate by ever increasing the range of the arguement from such things as indivdual case to now war on EULAs. IF you feel wronged by a EULA by all means seek legal advise or try ot get it overturned if the issue is THAT important to you, but don't come here trying to enrage others to join your cuase.

We can safely assume, firstly, that it is true, and the reason that we can do this is that when a mod, who has the ability to check things like an account's access, replied to the initial complaint, instead of saying words to the effect of "Really? That's quite unfortunate, let me look into it" or even "That's funny, when I look at your account it shows that you have access to your games, why not try again in half an hour or so" his reply ran more to the tune of "Yes. EA is entitled to do exactly what you have described. It's in this ridiculously long document that no one has ever read. Ever."

Secondly, it is my position that one should never, ever simply roll over and quietly allow a company to do something one feels is injust simply because they're legally able to do it. Forums like this exist in part to voice displeasure of decisions like that. Have people already forgotten that it was Bioware who was able to convince their distributor at the time to reverse a decision on DRM (for Mass Effect on PC, if I remember correctly; I might not though, someone else might have a better memory.) on the basis of forum posts?

No one ever changed something for the better by simply throwing up their hands and saying "Well, I guess they're legally entitled to do this, no reason to try and persuade them otherwise."

It isn't upto Bioware what EA do with regard to the pyhsical product, it is an issue regarding EA suspending him, nothing really Bioware could do would change that. Just because they didn't jump up and down fought WW3 for thisperson who was merely suspended for breaking EA rules whatever the real reason behind the suspension this does not make proof that his claims were true. Please note the original guy in question admited he did was wrong. He is not the one fighting with EA or Bioware over this, it's other people fighting a cuase he never asked to be fought.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 mars 2011 - 06:08 .

[Aermas]

mordarwarlock wrote...

viva la re-volus-ion!!!

Viva la Re-Volus-ion:D

[LongMrv]

Banning from a forum ok...banning them from the game they bought that is played offline...way out of line!!! I liken it to the above post....like repo-ing my paid for car because I told the manufacturer it was a pile....doesn't matter what was said. Don't let them say it anymore but you cannot take away their product. Bad news! Bad precedence. I have been a long time EA and Bioware fan and this is some touchy ground that has me thinking. I would be playing the game instead of reading this but I have too many bugs to even play it so I have to be here lurking trying to make my stupid game work...

Word!

[SlurpinTaxt]

17thknight wrote...

morgueanna wrote...

You really think that a video game demands that type of attention?  Really?

I hope Stanley went home.  And left his bosses in peace.  Is this a serious issue?  Sure.  Is it serious enough to call your BOSS and DEMAND he get on the forums right now???  When he could just look at it tomorrow?  Come on.

I think things were handled poorly on both sides.  If a Bioware rep would have posted that the office was closing and that they would look into it tomorrow, I don't think things would have escalated to this point.

But to compare a video game ban to calling generals...get a life people.

This is these people's livelihood. They depend upon consumers to shill out money for their products. For every person who doesn't do that, that's lost profits. Eventually, that becomes lost investor confidence. That turns into layoffs. That turns into closing the company's doors.

It always begins with bad PR. This causes consumer confidence to degrade, however minutely, bit by bit, in a company. An incident like this gets into people's minds and it sticks there. It will be on the internet forever, for people to reference, and for anyone to quote.

When something this bad for a company gets out, you do damage control IMMEDIATELY. You don't want 2 hours, you don't wait 2 minutes. The second you have a response, you give it. If possible, you simply rectify it so that it's a non-issue.

But in the days of a news story reaching every corner of the globe with one click of a mouse, waiting until tomorrow morning for an official response is too late. By the, no one's looking for the official response anymore. Everyone will already know the storye.

Damage done.

The real damage was releasing the steaming pile that is DA2 and expecting customers not to get pissed off. There goes DA3 sales

[Lawrence- Mage of the Grey Wardens]

This is hilarious, in that sad, evil laugh kinda way.


"EA is the devil" isn't even something to get a ban over.

lol I hope the dude sues and gets a gajillion dollars.

The guy paid his $60 and 5 extra dollars for tax. You can't take away his ability to play the game...he's paid for it.

At least give him a free game for his trouble. It's the least EA could do considering this is illegal.

[17thknight]

Imagine if you bought a car from GM. And you put on a bumper sticker that they didn't like, so one day you go outside to discover that they've remotely deactivated your vehicle. Same thing.

[MColes]

This is the stupidest thread in the history of the BioWare forums, and that's saying something. All these random internet ragers are coming here, based on absolutely zero proof, from one side or the other. Apparently, all the people believe everything they read on the internet. No one actually KNOWS that this guy got banned, like really from forum or game. It's just reading a forum post and RAGING full of assumptions with no evidence. You whole lot are disgraceful

[Lacan2]

Keele wrote...

epiccrabs wrote...

SlurpinTaxt wrote...

Does Stanley woo not have the internets machine at his small apartment?

He does but he's just saying that so that biodrones would protect him. I WURK UVERT1EM N AL00nE PITY ME!!!!!! PITY ME!!!!!!!!!!!

He has my pity.

I would've banned you all.

And then quit.

To be fair, he was just screencapped in an undoubted PR black eye.

Responses like that, puncuated with obnoxious "end of the line", will cost Bioware goodwill at a time when they are under pressure.

Modifié par Lacan2, 11 mars 2011 - 06:11 .

[Psython]

I think the idea of locking someone out of their game for insulting comments is wrong and quite scary. Just banning them from the forums is an appropriate punishment. The comments in question really were not that big of a deal. Obviously, the forums here do not follow the principle of the first amendment. I strongly encourage Bioware and EA to review and consider changing their policy before incredible damage is done to their reputation.