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[Whatever42]

So we all know that the mass effect series has "borrowed" themes from many science fiction series: star wars, battlestar galactica, aliens, blade runner, etc.

Since I suspect a great number of us are science fiction fans, do any us have some sci fi favorites that they would like to see represented more in ME3?

Personally, with the interesting exploration of the Reapers over the last two games and learning about their cyborg nature, I hope we explore some popular Philip K. Dick themes of the nature of personal identity. Or do people want to see more of the traditional space opera themes of nuking that Reaper death star to hell?

[spurkis]

Can't get enough Blade Runner.

I think it's time to get some philosophy about space on the table. In Mass Effect lots of time is spent traveling distances so large that they are barely comprehendable, and never do we get time to stop by and look - just look out a window and stare at the realms of space. Of course there should be room for the epic drama ultra ending stuff, but we need some... zen moments. The only moment I can think of that fitted my taste in this particular sense was when first seeing the Archives. I just had to stop the Mako and look around while listening to the music. But that was on the ground.
So basically, more Blade Runner-ish philosophy.

I doubt many have heard of it, but the russian movie Stalker is a sci-fi film I'd like to see a little of in ME3. It's a post-apocalyptic and depressing world, and if my Shepard achieves a pyrrhic victory it would be nice to see some of the same themes represented in the epilogue.

Serenity and Firefly!

Do games count too? Of course there are already dozens upon dozens of video game references and inspirations in Mass Effect, but more wouldn't hurt.
Red Faction, System Shock, Tiberian Sun, Oddworld etc.

I hope Clint Mansell sticks with Jack Walls' synth legacy but keeps a balance between bouncy/childish and cliché-epic. More Blade Runner, please!

[Whatever42]

Phillip K. Dick was brilliant and Blade Runner did turn out to be his greatest legacy, absolutely. I know Shep isn't a terribly introspective individual but I think its clear that the Reapers think that this is a good course of action that they're taking. It would be nice to see a little blade runnerish soul searching in there. And the dark edge to all the characters was riveting. I think Illium is maybe a little based off Blade Runner stylistically but it was far too cheerful.

I'll have to look up Stalker. Sound really interesting.

[Pwener2313]

THEME: Assassin's Creed series - Cultural Representation

I would like to see some cultural exploration of all the different races and how humanity's has evolved to what it is in the year 2185.

[Mir5]

Syd Mead for art, definitely.

And I hope Mass3 will have something in addition for the crescendo than just things shooting at each other.

Modifié par Mir5, 11 mars 2011 - 09:19 .

[Dreggon]

Some of the philosophy seen in games like Deus Ex would be absolutely epic.

[spurkis]

I forgot to add that I hope BioWare goes all H.R. Giger on the Reaper aesthethics.

[Whatever42]

spurkis wrote...

I forgot to add that I hope BioWare goes all H.R. Giger on the Reaper aesthethics.

If we ever get to board a living Reaper, seeing something like that would be amazing.

[apotheosic]

And how can we forget that the Rachni are an obvious tribute to Orson Scott Card's "Ender" series.

[Foehunter82]

Yeah, I think that some more philosophical influences would be pretty good. I'm not digging the, "We are Reapers, therefore you can't understand us" thing that's going on. Personally, they probably waited too long to incorporate philosophy into the story more. At this point, the expectation seems to be for a heavily action based game. They probably should have delved more into philosophical themes in ME2.

I liked the fact that you get to see more of the Krogan, Quarian, Geth, and Asari societies in ME2. I think they need to continue this trend in ME3. They need to show the Turians and perhaps the Drell, for instance. There definitely seems to be some sideline races like the Volus and Hanar, and I'd like to see more of their societies, as well. I actually think that they should have explored each major race's societies a little more in ME2. They could have easily added 8+ hours of gameplay just delving deeper into each race's own internal politics, conflicts, etc. Would it have been necessary for the main story? Probably not, but it would have been interesting to get some more background info on these other races.

As far as I can see, there's really no reason why you couldn't incorporate more of both.  Mass Effect is just too good a series to leave out the things that make you think.

Modifié par Foehunter82, 11 mars 2011 - 08:30 .

[Bailyn242]

This isn't something that is a direct influence, as in readily apparent, but on the Paragon path I've been wondering if we won't see a new council that better represents the species of Council space ala B5 and the Interstellar Alliance.

Shepard's crew seems to be the only multi-species crew with any relationship to the council. Every other Council race ship has homogenous crews. All Turian or all human or all Asari. It would be cool if the Paragons could establish a tradition of multi-racial crews. Human and Quarian Engineering staffs. Human, Krogan and Turian ground assault teams. Etcetera.

[Ozzyfan223]

I would really love more Star Wars references, though those are harder to do since it's such a known series.

I would love some big Star Wars actors to contribute voices. Mark Hamill is on top of that list, since all of his voice work is spectacular and he has great range. I also think Carrie Fisher has a stronger voice fit for maybe an Asari leader. James Earl Jones is always welcome. (The 'master' reaper idea is great).

[spurkis]

I agree. Obviously most sci-fi mediums are inspired by Star Wars I would be cool if Mass Effect continues to nod to the series. When I learned my character had been clinically dead for two years and been traded between various factions I immediately thought of Han Solo.

I hope the batarians get some justice in ME3, as they've pretty much been portrayed as a bunch of ruthless scumbags throughout Mass Effect.

Both Noveria, Illium, Zakera Ward, Omega etc. seem like some very dangerous and wild societies, so it would be interesting if we get to visit a really sterile city, like in Aeon Flux. That would be cool visually and that stuff and also it would make room for some interesting morality situations.

[Whatever42]

Bailyn242 wrote...

This isn't something that is a direct influence, as in readily apparent, but on the Paragon path I've been wondering if we won't see a new council that better represents the species of Council space ala B5 and the Interstellar Alliance.

Shepard's crew seems to be the only multi-species crew with any relationship to the council. Every other Council race ship has homogenous crews. All Turian or all human or all Asari. It would be cool if the Paragons could establish a tradition of multi-racial crews. Human and Quarian Engineering staffs. Human, Krogan and Turian ground assault teams. Etcetera.

Agreed that ME is heavily B5 influenced - space gates, young humanity among older races, ancient evil. Just like in ME, the council only represented the most powerful races on a space station. Hell, this is B5.

I think you're on to something about the other races. Just like Sherridan (wow.. Sheridan/Shepard, I never realized how identical this was), I think we might indeed see a new council of the other races Shepard recruits. That would be an awesome paragon ending, seeing all the other races on a more represenative council.

[88mphSlayer]

speaking of Blade Runner i hope the contrast is evident on earth, it would be ironic to see the planet that's the home of the species the reapers have targeted so much since ME1 as this high-tech overpopulated slum

[wolfennights]

I would really love more Star Wars references, though those are harder to do since it's such a known series.

Does Star Wars exist in the ME universe?

[xTHExWARRIORx]

The Quarians and Geth scenario was from Battle Star Galactica. AI taking over their own creators.

[Foehunter82]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Bailyn242 wrote...

This isn't something that is a direct influence, as in readily apparent, but on the Paragon path I've been wondering if we won't see a new council that better represents the species of Council space ala B5 and the Interstellar Alliance.

Shepard's crew seems to be the only multi-species crew with any relationship to the council. Every other Council race ship has homogenous crews. All Turian or all human or all Asari. It would be cool if the Paragons could establish a tradition of multi-racial crews. Human and Quarian Engineering staffs. Human, Krogan and Turian ground assault teams. Etcetera.

Agreed that ME is heavily B5 influenced - space gates, young humanity among older races, ancient evil. Just like in ME, the council only represented the most powerful races on a space station. Hell, this is B5.

I think you're on to something about the other races. Just like Sherridan (wow.. Sheridan/Shepard, I never realized how identical this was), I think we might indeed see a new council of the other races Shepard recruits. That would be an awesome paragon ending, seeing all the other races on a more represenative council.

Didn't Sheridan end up in command of the Rangers?  It would be nice if Shepard ended up in command of the Spectres.  I'd like for him to arrange a psuedo-coup and take command of the Spectres out from under the Council.

[Praetor Knight]

Foehunter82 wrote...

Didn't Sheridan end up in command of the Rangers?  It would be nice if Shepard ended up in command of the Spectres.  I'd like for him to arrange a psuedo-coup and take command of the Spectres out from under the Council.

But Spectres are not organized like a military that can be commanded, they are more like independent operators.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Spectres

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 16 mars 2011 - 05:41 .

[Foehunter82]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Foehunter82 wrote...

Didn't Sheridan end up in command of the Rangers?  It would be nice if Shepard ended up in command of the Spectres.  I'd like for him to arrange a psuedo-coup and take command of the Spectres out from under the Council.

But Spectres are not organized like a military that can be commanded, they are more like independent operators.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Spectres

Very true.  I was referring to the fact that they answered to the Council, but even then, Shepard would technically have to earn the loyalty of each Spectre to get them to join up, and couldn't actually get the entire group to automatically.

[Tarek]

I have to admit that I read EVERY text they had on planets and found the info very immersive in ME games, so I would love to see more star treky weirdness which might happen in space or on alien planets.

[Bailyn242]

Foehunter82 wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Foehunter82 wrote...

Didn't Sheridan end up in command of the Rangers?  It would be nice if Shepard ended up in command of the Spectres.  I'd like for him to arrange a psuedo-coup and take command of the Spectres out from under the Council.

But Spectres are not organized like a military that can be commanded, they are more like independent operators.

http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Spectres

Very true.  I was referring to the fact that they answered to the Council, but even then, Shepard would technically have to earn the loyalty of each Spectre to get them to join up, and couldn't actually get the entire group to automatically.

There are a couple things to think about though. Early in ME1 we are introduced to the questionable actions of the Spectres and the lack of true oversight. It is reinforced in LotSB when we meet Tela Vasir. Also, with the Rangers, other than command of a ship there doesn't seem to be much in the way of a chain of command. There's Sheridan, Delenn and Garibaldi and for a time, Sinclair. Other than that there isn't much of a true chain of command within the Rangers. True, it is more structured than the Spectres but not much.

[Whatever42]

Paragon shep seemed pretty concerned about the lack of oversight of the spectres in ME1. In LotSB, we saw how out of control the Spectre's could get (if Saren didn't drive that point home). Maybe we will see Shepard influence how the Spectres are run.

[mbeckle]

i realize that arthur c. clarke's latter works -- namely the odyssey sequels -- were not very popular, but i'm still surprised that no one has spotted the similarities between mass effect's reapers the odyssey series' firstborn. while these similarities are purely conceptual i think they are worth noting. 3001's prologue explains it all. they became beings that exist on a plane outside of our comprehension. they were intergalactic farmers; sowing, reaping, and weeding. long story short they decided to weed us.

[Black Raptor]

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