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[egervari]

I made a topic yesturday about game balance here:
http://social.biowar.../9/index/197068

Everything I said still holds true today. I'm at the point in the game where I am in the dwarven section of the game and I'm taking out the cartel boss at level 16. 

I have to say, the battle is near impossible with just a healer mage. I mean, how come wynn sucks so much as a healer? Her heals do squat. Seriously... Alistair has 350 health and her heals only heal up 1/4 of that. With such long cooldowns and getting hit so hard, Wynn is freaking worthless. How is one suppose to get through this encounter with wynn as the only mage and your hero character is a dps rogue?

I'm not saying it's impossible... but it requires substantial potting, and some luck. I've died about 8 or 9 times already. I almost beat it, but I lost the tank (alistair) and I raised him from the dead, but the game didn't recognize my heal so nothing happened... which I have to say, happened a few attempts ago as well. There's nothing like a raise dead failing at a critical time because I might not have target the corpse exactly? I thought I did... but whatever.

When the enemies are critical attacking your warriors with tier 6 magical gear and doing 90% damage, and then criting again with a follow up attack... it just makes me think the entire game balance is broken. Seriously... we have sten in tier 6 gear and he gets dead in 2 attacks. There's no time for a mage to react, and even if she does, the second hit does so much damage that the first heal doesn't do squat. Really, healers in this game are terrible, and so are warriors.

I could lower the difficulty down, but I refuse to. I've gotten this far without lowering it - damn if I'm going to lower it now.

There really needs to be a patch. I have no idea how to get reliably get through this encounter without luck and patience. And if I had a second mage that didn't hate me so much, I might not be posting this right now. Totally imbalanced. There's no way it should be this hard.

Modifié par egervari, 16 novembre 2009 - 07:16 .

[Surfie]

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Modifié par Surfie, 16 novembre 2009 - 03:03 .

[sigfrid00]

lol i know i got stuck there too the only way possuble for me was cheating and the last boss is much harder..just get the console type runscript pc_immortal that god mode hope that helps.

[Thornmisfor]

NO CHEATS SIR

[Inarai]

Frankly, I don't get much play out of Wynne's healing. You don't NEED it, and if it's wrong for the fight, perhaps you should be adjusting the party - maybe use Morrigan for damage and control, instead.

Also, what difficulty/system are you on? How are you playing? And besides that... What the hell makes you think that the difficulty isn't something a lot of us are quite pleased with?

Also, there's a couple threads with tactics tips around... I'll link to one in a second.

EDIT:  http://social.biowar.../9/index/167510

Modifié par Inarai, 16 novembre 2009 - 03:08 .

[Skellimancer]

Surfie wrote...

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Well of course you did as a mage..

[armacham]

Surfie wrote...

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Bad troll is bad.


Anyway, yea thats a tough encounter. Best way to overcome it is to take down all opposition besides the dwarf bish, leave her for last, also make sure she cant get to any of the lyrium.

[Pretorian]

Easier way to get precise dead raising is to just select raise dead (or whatever the spell is called) then just click on the party members face on the top left.



Are you just using heal? Because i reckon you should use party heal and that one where it heals the person when they get low on health, even if it is just for healing one person.

[Surfie]

armacham wrote...

Surfie wrote...

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Bad troll is bad.


Anyway, yea thats a tough encounter. Best way to overcome it is to take down all opposition besides the dwarf bish, leave her for last, also make sure she cant get to any of the lyrium.

Bad player is bad.

That encounter isn't tough at all unless you are a Warrior and don't know how to micromanage Wynn.

Tip: Have Lelianna use your stealth and set up a bunch of traps and then throw a grenade in.  Watch them all die.

Modifié par Surfie, 16 novembre 2009 - 03:12 .

[egervari]

Surfie wrote...

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Is this just gloating or did you not read that the only mage i have is wynn... and you can barely count her as mage?

[Elanareon]

Maybe use lifeward then regeneration then heal? I sometimes use heal+group heal... And then oh POTS!

[egervari]

Inarai wrote...

Frankly, I don't get much play out of Wynne's healing. You don't NEED it, and if it's wrong for the fight, perhaps you should be adjusting the party - maybe use Morrigan for damage and control, instead.

Also, what difficulty/system are you on? How are you playing? And besides that... What the hell makes you think that the difficulty isn't something a lot of us are quite pleased with?

Also, there's a couple threads with tactics tips around... I'll link to one in a second.

EDIT:  http://social.biowar.../9/index/167510

Perhaps. The problem is that I do fine for awhile, and then when I need someone like morrigan, I'm so deep in the dungeon that going back to camp just to get her is a bit tedious.

Also Morrigan hates me. I managed to get -27 approval in like an hour with her at the beginning of the game, and I figured if I keep this up, she'll start attacking me.

[egervari]

NinjaPret wrote...

Easier way to get precise dead raising is to just select raise dead (or whatever the spell is called) then just click on the party members face on the top left.

Are you just using heal? Because i reckon you should use party heal and that one where it heals the person when they get low on health, even if it is just for healing one person.

Yeah, I use heal because it's cheaper. If I use group heal all the time, I won't have enough pots to sustain the fight. And the cooldown for that is too slow. I do it use though.

[hexaligned]

Well I don't know what you are doing wrong, I just did the fight not 30 mins ago on nightmare. My party was Zev, Wynn, PC (DW tank) and Sten. Not even close to an ideal party, I had no CC or aoe, and still beat it first try. Just kill the white named mobs first, and either have zev disarm the traps or sacrafice someone to run through them.

[Surfie]

egervari wrote...

Surfie wrote...

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Is this just gloating or did you not read that the only mage i have is wynn... and you can barely count her as mage?

Just get your poisons and traps to level 3 on Leliana and make her set up a ton of caltrop traps. 

[armacham]

Surfie wrote...

armacham wrote...

Surfie wrote...

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Bad troll is bad.


Anyway, yea thats a tough encounter. Best way to overcome it is to take down all opposition besides the dwarf bish, leave her for last, also make sure she cant get to any of the lyrium.

Bad player is bad.

That encounter isn't tough at all unless you are a Warrior and don't know how to micromanage Wynn.

Tip: Have Lelianna use your stealth and set up a bunch of traps and then throw a grenade in.  Watch them all die.

I had pc warrior, allister, Lelianna, and micromanaged morrigan for heals, nukes and making sure no lyrium for the boss. Oh and Wynn is dead I killed her when I met her

[Raisthlin Arckon]

egervari wrote...

I made a topic yesturday about game balance here:
http://social.biowar.../9/index/197068

Everything I said still holds true today. I'm at the point in the game where I am in the dwarven section of the game and I'm taking out the carta boss at level 16. 

I have to say, the battle is near impossible with just a healer mage. I mean, how come wynn sucks so much as a healer? Her heals do squat. Seriously... Alistair has 350 health and her heals only heal up 1/4 of that. With such long cooldowns and getting hit so hard, Wynn is freaking worthless. How is one suppose to get through this encounter with wynn as the only mage and your hero character is a dps rogue?

I'm not saying it's impossible... but it requires substantial potting, and some luck. I've died about 8 or 9 times already. I almost beat it, but I lost the tank (alistair) and I raised him from the dead, but the game didn't recognize my heal so nothing happened... which I have to say, happened a few attempts ago as well. There's nothing like a raise dead failing at a critical time because I might not have target the corpse exactly? I thought I did... but whatever.

When the enemies are critical attacking your warriors with tier 6 magical gear and doing 90% damage, and then criting again with a follow up attack... it just makes me think the entire game balance is broken. Seriously... we have sten in tier 6 gear and he gets dead in 2 attacks. There's no time for a mage to react, and even if she does, the second hit does so much damage that the first heal doesn't do squat. Really, healers in this game are terrible, and so are warriors.

I could lower the difficulty down, but I refuse to. I've gotten this far without lowering it - damn if I'm going to lower it now.

There really needs to be a patch. I have no idea how to get reliably get through this encounter without luck and patience. And if I had a second mage that didn't hate me so much, I might not be posting this right now. Totally imbalanced. There's no way it should be this hard.

maybe you should play on easy. I played it on hard and didnt have any of those issues. If your not used to RPG and not a good tactician or dont know how to build good characters you should play on easy.

[Surfie]

armacham wrote...

Surfie wrote...

armacham wrote...

Surfie wrote...

I soloed that on my mage on Nightmare.

Bad troll is bad.


Anyway, yea thats a tough encounter. Best way to overcome it is to take down all opposition besides the dwarf bish, leave her for last, also make sure she cant get to any of the lyrium.

Bad player is bad.

That encounter isn't tough at all unless you are a Warrior and don't know how to micromanage Wynn.

Tip: Have Lelianna use your stealth and set up a bunch of traps and then throw a grenade in.  Watch them all die.

I had pc warrior, allister, Lelianna, and micromanaged morrigan for heals, nukes and making sure no lyrium for the boss. Oh and Wynn is dead I killed her when I met her

lol why would you do that? On my first playthrough I don't know how I would have made it to the end without Wynn especially as I had a PC Warrior as well.

[armacham]

@ Surfie, I dont need her, shes not that essential. I did anvil of the void before the tower anyway.

[newcomplex]

This game isn't oblivion, if you played any bioware or dnd based rpg, realize it is pseudo-turn based. Meaning your going to want to pause every in game "turn" to issue commands on hard fights.

I'll even give you a basic strategy.   I did this with no healer and one nuker mage, I don't see how you could fail with both.    Lay a aoe disable like sleep at the beginning, and reposition near the door.   Have alistar tank the boss (who should have resisted sleep), and lay a aoe freeze/stun on the remaining targets while they are asleep.   Use backstabs, instant crits, and insta shatters to quickly shatter the frozen targets.    This leaves the main boss and a unshatterable elite henchmen.   Burn the henchmen down while wynn keeps heals on the tank.   This shouldn't be too hard.   Before switching to the main boss, send someone to trigger/disarm the traps.    Then, it should be a fairly ez tank and spank until the boss stealths.   Follow her up the ramps, quickly disable the two archer adds (nightmare/stone knockdown from wynne), and burn them with your dps.    Then, refocus on the boss.

What wont work

ZERG BOSS GOGOGOGOGOOGOGOGOGOGO

The difficulty is fine, you just need to start playing right.   Or turn it on easy.   The choice is yours

Modifié par newcomplex, 16 novembre 2009 - 03:27 .

[Deadhorn]

i just finished the game with no healer... all depended on potions, and they run out a lot... although it was difficult, but i made it through.

[Deadhorn]

by the way, my party was me as a warrior, morrigan, leliana and shale. i barely used alistair...

[Zibon]

You should be using regeneration as well if you know someone will be tanking. I believe it may be more efficient over time.  I'm playing an assassin/duelist and this battle wasn't very difficult (on nightmare.)

If you really can't keep up with healing then the problem likely lies elsewhere in your strategy. Maybe you need to use more abilities to incapacitate enemies (earthquake comes to mind since Wynne can get it easily.) Maybe you don't have your party outfitted properly. Try using grenades/traps/etc.

And yes, for defensive spells (particularly Revive since its easy to accidentally miss) you should click on the portraits for targeting.

Modifié par Zibon, 16 novembre 2009 - 03:32 .

[egervari]

relhart wrote...

Well I don't know what you are doing wrong, I just did the fight not 30 mins ago on nightmare. My party was Zev, Wynn, PC (DW tank) and Sten. Not even close to an ideal party, I had no CC or aoe, and still beat it first try. Just kill the white named mobs first, and either have zev disarm the traps or sacrafice someone to run through them.

See... that's what I've been doing. I've tried all sorts of combinations. Even having the tank "hold off" the orange boss while the rogue and sten finish out the white enemies too. The problem is the orange boss hits so hard that the character is threatened by death so easily, and there's not much a healer can do because it happens so quickly. Even if the heal gets through, it makes no difference because the heal itself heals for so little damage. So this means resurrecting party members it the only solution. Is that what you did while you took out all the white/yellow enemies?

[egervari]

Zibon wrote...

You should be using regeneration as well if you know someone will be tanking. I believe it may be more efficient over time.  I'm playing an assassin/duelist and this battle wasn't very difficult (on nightmare.)

If you really can't keep up with healing then the problem likely lies elsewhere in your strategy. Maybe you need to use more abilities to incapacitate enemies (earthquake comes to mind since Wynne can get it easily.) Maybe you don't have your party outfitted properly. Try using grenades/traps/etc.

And yes, for defensive spells (particularly Revive since its easy to accidentally miss) you should click on the portraits for targeting.

Yep, I'm using regen as well