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[TMJfin]

Loved the game so far, about 13 hours in and just entered the deep roads.

[flowzirkus]

For me it's the first disapoinment with a bioware game. And I'm one of the guys taking a day of on release days.

DA2 ist unfinished and stripped down by so many things which made DA:O one of the best rpgs of all time. It feels rushed out and sacrificed for EA profit maximizing.

They're going the way of Westwood, Origin, Bulfrog...

Next one on the list: Bioware.

[Chaseroy]

It's totally rocking my world. I haven't done anything else since 2am CST Tuesday morning and when I've been forced to I've been thinking about what I'm going to do next in DA2. It's been a long time since an RPG got me like that. I guess DAO was the last one, actually.

[Chaseroy]

Double post

Modifié par Chaseroy, 11 mars 2011 - 08:17 .

[Anaiya]

People just like to complain about anything that isn't the way they think it should be. The game is great, iv'e had an amazing time playing it and i just can't put it down.

Fantastic game.

[Athro]

 I'm loving it.

I love that I actually am not only able to roleplay my character the way I want, but that it has tangible effects on how the world responds to him.

I like that I don't have to pick just one dialogue option, ad nauseum, but whatever I feel fits and Hawke's personality remains consistent with the way I have been roleplaying him. That is just an incredible yet subtle thing. If it wasn't for my flatmate playing as well, I wouldn't have noticed how different Hawke's personality can turn out based on how you play him.

I'm enjoying the new look, I think it is much cooler and I seem to be one of the rare people who likes that the elves look alien now.

I'm also enjoying how nearly every quest has some kind of consequence linked to it - ranging from effecting the friendships and rivalries of your party members, to opening up new quests and dialogue options to getting unique equipment.

All in all - I'm loving it. Definitely an excellent title.

C.

[stormhit]

I'm really enjoying almost everything about it.

And because this place is a disaster at the moment and therefore anything positive must be tempered with negativity; the only two issues I have with it are the recycled environments and the fact that I think the paraphrases are poorly implemented. I'm a fan of voice-over and the concept of the paraphrase system, but I'm having a lot of issues with them in this game that I never ran into in ME.

[Yrkoon]

veletrina wrote...

Many people are, the haters are always the most vocal at first.

This is precisely what it is.

Go to the old Bioware boards  and  look at the week 1 reactions to Dragon Age Origins.  It was the same damn thing happening: the boards being flooded by negativity at the start.

Of course, in a couple of weeks, these  very... noisy... people will be gone  (except for a very special, select few who feel they just have to  stick around for several weeks to continue to discuss a  game they claim to really hate)   But most  will end up going away, and the  "vibe" of the board will change into one of a more... level headed, perspective-natured thing...


Gamers are probably the most predictable, most behaviorally mappable  case studies in  all of sociology.  

Modifié par Yrkoon, 11 mars 2011 - 08:32 .

[Lioneste]

Fantastic game, was nine hours in when I decided I wanted to try a different rogue build, deleted by save game and started over- big DOH! when i realized that you can but respec potions in the black emporium! But I don't mind, I love love love the game, sleek and easy, fast-paced and wonderfully crafted, loveley adventures thus far! Haven't gotten to the deep roads though- taking it easy, don't want to RUSH the game like I usually do!

[brunomalta]

thisismyname wrote...

To everyone enjoying this game : Have you ever played a good game?

Are you all 12 years old?

Nope, but i guess you are. Only a 12 year old would get "mad" and attack other people who do not agree with him. What are you gonna do now little boy, stomp your feet on the ground and call for mommy?
Here, take a cookie and go back to your room. You are grounded!

[aftohsix]

thisismyname wrote...

To everyone enjoying this game : Have you ever played a good game?

Are you all 12 years old?

To the person who told me to ignore these people.  I'm doing exactly that.  I'm also someone who got a Platinum Trophy in Demon's Souls.

I know this may seem blasphemous but as someone who has put a TON of hours into both Demon's Souls and Dragon Age 2 I can say that the combat is VERY similar (albeit much more difficult in Demon's Souls)

Is Demon's Souls considered a bad game too?

[W1slicer_carolina]

I'm sorry trolls.  I'm too busy actually playing and ENJOYING the game to come on the forums and post against every single little complaint you have.

I doubt I can do more justice to the good points of this game than has already been done, but here's a shot.....

I've been playing for hours every day since March 8th and DA 2 is fantastic, the areas are so much more massive and open than I've ever seen in a Bioware game before, I've yet to see any copy/paste dungeon areas, or really any copy/paste areas at all.

The look and feel of items/clothes/armor is so much more realistic and interesting than it was in Origins.  I really don't care if I can't equip some copy/paste chest piece on my companions because they already look awesome!

The amount and depth of lore adds so much background to the game that I really feel apart of the world and that I know what is going on around me.

The comic dialogue between characters always seems fresh and even changes sometimes when replaying the same content in a new game!

That's all I've got time for, I have a game to play!

[Kane-Corr]

This game was leaps and bounds above DAO....don't know why everyone was complaining...But then again...I do know. All of you who were siphoning info like it was water over the past few months probably built up a certain image of the game....exactly why I kept my nose out of it and will for Mass Effect 3....and to tell you the truth...I was wowed by the game...

Sure, wasn't a traditional adventure RPG like the first...but honestly...this game makes up for adventure with the characters. I love it...and Isabella But in all seriousness...I would play this game just for the party banter...
On a side note...hey Bioware...can you follow DA2's example and add more party banter in Mass 3??!!

[LeonBrass]

DA2 is a good game... could be better in some areas, but I am enjoying the journey.
I play games for fun, not number crunching or inventory management. I miss the upgrading of companion armors and such, but none of my "complaints" affect my fun.
I like the ability to respec and alter appearance in game with the Black Emporium, I really like the party banter too.
There are advantages and disadvantages to the combat system. I like it for the most part, but I admit I miss the "auto attack" on occasion... like when I need a drink in the middle of a fight.
Fun.
I

[Warlokki]

flowzirkus wrote...

For me it's the first disapoinment with a bioware game. And I'm one of the guys taking a day of on release days.

DA2 ist unfinished and stripped down by so many things which made DA:O one of the best rpgs of all time. It feels rushed out and sacrificed for EA profit maximizing.

They're going the way of Westwood, Origin, Bulfrog...

Next one on the list: Bioware.

Unfinished? How? Sure, some areas are recycled but that's not gamebreaking and a lot of items don't have names... again not gamebreaking, just inconvenient for the player.

And what was stripped down?
Dialogue, not. DAO didn't have 6 choices by default, 3 or 4 more often, with 4th or 3rd being equivalent of "investigate", the rest were essentially "yes", "no", "good", "bad", "neutral". I don't see how things are different in DA2. I don't like paraphrasing but that's very minor thing, at least for me, as i choose my answers based on the tone/intent, not the actual content.

Combat?
Faster paced and more responsive combat (two biggest issues in DAO IMO) are not stripping it down. Tactical depth may have been lessened a bit as there are more but weaker enemies, but then most attacks seem to have some AOE effect or they're meant to be "vs elite+". I heard Nightmare gives real challenge, maybe there's more tactical combat? I know i didn't need tactics much on Hard in DAO, AOE and high damage seemed to solve most problems (note: i never finished on Hard, my latest hard try stopped when i got frustrated due forgetting to save and didn't want to play 45mins worth of dungeon again, can't remember which)
Oh and lack of overhead camera? Not a big change, personally i don't have issues with issuing specific orders with the current camera. But maybe i'm simply used to the same camera as console DAO had?
EDIT, "overdone" animations are part the art style and don't count as they don't affect the gameplay.

Combat-Waves?
In combat, enemies come in many waves in DA2. This leads to a lot enemies being weak, as the idea was to make Hawke look badass, strong fighter and to speed up the combat. Different from DAO, a bit, and maybe the biggest reason the combat doesn't have as much tactical depth. No need when the enemies die from a hit or two.
I like the feel of power but quite many combat encounters are slightly too long, have too many waves. Not to mention the waves spawning a bit far away... But in the end, all one needs is to change their style to accomondate this. Remember that this game uses Framed Narrative, with Varric exaggerating a bit. Wouldn't it be oxymoronic to imply that but leave the player a weakling? Hmm. Maybe not... gameplay and story segration does happen, needs to happen, for games to be fun.

Story?
Cannot say anything about story of DA2 yet, liked it so far but i haven't finished the game yet, not even close, maybe one third. Liked it so far though there maybe a tad too many side quests... at least they're better than Mass Effect's or DAO's...
You cannot always tell the same story, KOTOR, ME, DAO all have very similar structure, not the mention that the plots themselves are not that different (exclusive organisation, ancient evil, free choice middle game just to mention a few)

Characters?
BW has written a bunch of new characters or expanding old ones. Maybe there's a bit less dialogue but what there is, is pretty good, as always.

Graphics?
This is a joke, DAO had decent graphics but nothing groundbreaking nor this is worth mentioning really... DA2 has mostly a different art direction (which i at least like more).
EDIT, if you don't like cannot play the game due graphics, i understand. I cannot stand Team Fortress 2 due its cartoon looks, simply too over cartoonish. Nice for machinima or other videos though.

Crafting?
Crafting is simply different, and, frankly, makes more sense. How come all the heroes are always mastercraftsmen too? And have time to make all sorts of stuff despite them having, at least in the story, some sort time limit.

Lack of skills (not to be mixed with abilities)?
Skills mostly were used for crafting, the rest have been integrated to the abilities. DAO didn't have great skill system, two classes were forced to spend 4 points to unlock more abilities and the rest of the skills were pretty much crafting skills. Lack of coercion is a not a big deal, this time a good argument or previous actions may solve problems. Coercion skill also made cunning/strength pretty much useless for dialogue purposes, as each Coercien rank was equal to 25 attribute points. The skill was pretty much needed to have the best outcome, if you wanted that (or your character wanted that).

Linearity?
DAO was pretty linear. True, you could choose in which order you go to the allies BUT that didn't affect the plot's outcome (the allies themselves didn't either). Meaningless non-linearity... essentially still linear, no? Frankly, of games i've played, pretty much only Fallout and Morrowind (to lesser extent) allow non-linearity... and even that's limited. Of BW games? Not a single one i've played.

Customization?
So... we cannot change the companion armor (everything else we can) but is that that big issue? Yes, i admit that them lacking some bonuses normal equipment gives is something of an issue, at least is feels so at times but your stuff doesn't give that great bonuses either (better than unupgraded or once upgraded companion armor though). Maybe it is way to encourage using runes? And the game does give a sort of explanation, your party members choose what they wear, they're inviduals after all. You're Hawke (or you control him/her and see what happend at least, depending how you approach video game characters, as yours or as "actors") and you choose what to wear, not them. Ideally the game should've had multiple different outfits for the companions at least but that didn't happen. Bad call (EDIT: having only one outfit per companion that is), either due bad decision or time limits, let's hope better for the next time. As i said, somewhere, not everything works right always.

classes?
Consider this: With only 3 classes, did you like them better with two being very similar (you could make a warrior and a rogue pretty much identical, stupid no?) or do you like them being totally different more? If the game had more classes, overlapping roles and equipment is excusable, even mandatory, but with only three, isn't it better them being truly distinct? Elderscrolls-like approch would have offered the ultimate freedom but it is very easy to
power play such... and it is hard to balance the game with such freedom. And would it have suited Dragon Age?
As for the weapon choices... I agree that Rogues could have had access to something else than daggers but is that really a big deal?

Umm.. did i miss something? Please tell.

Modifié par Warlokki, 11 mars 2011 - 09:47 .

[Sbri]

I'm having a blast. Call me whatever name you want, imply what you will, I'm still having a good time. :-)

[MAD WHITE HAM]

thisismyname wrote...

To everyone enjoying this game : Have you ever played a good game?

Are you all 12 years old?

apparently u haven't if u hate this game

[JasmoVT]

I have been play fantasy rpg since there were no computers samller than a warehouse and this is by far the most enjoyable yet.

[Warlokki]

Addition to my above post:
Linearity?
DAO was pretty linear. True, you could choose in which order you go to the allies BUT that didn't affect the plot's outcome (the allies themselves didn't either). Meaningless non-linearity... essentially still linear, no? Frankly, of games i've played, pretty much only Fallout and Morrowind (to lesser extent) allow non-linearity... and even that's limited. Of BW games? Not a single one i've played.
EDIT
Another:
Customization?
So... we cannot change the companion armor (everything else we can) but is that that big issue? Yes, i admit that them lacking some bonuses normal equipment gives is something of an issue, at least is feels so at times but your stuff doesn't give that great bonuses either (better than unupgraded or once upgraded companion armor though). Maybe it is way to encourage using runes? And the game does give a sort of explanation, your party members choose what they wear, they're inviduals after all. You're Hawke (or you control him/her and see what happend at least, depending how you approach video game characters, as yours or as "actors") and you choose what to wear, not them. Ideally the game should've had multiple different outfits for the companions at least but that didn't happen. Bad call, either due bad decision or time limits, let's hope better for the next time. As i said, somewhere, not everything works right always.
classes?
Consider this: With only 3 classes, did you like them better with two being very similar (you could make a warrior and a rogue pretty much identical, stupid no?) or do you like them being totally different more? If the game had more classes, overlapping roles and equipment is excusable, even mandatory, but with only three, isn't it better them being truly distinct?
Elderscrolls-like approch would have offered the ultimate freedom but it is very easy to power play such... and it is hard to balance the game with such freedom. And would it have suited Dragon Age?
As for the weapon choices... I agree that Rogues could have had access to something else than daggers but is that really a big deal?

Modifié par Warlokki, 11 mars 2011 - 09:05 .

[Officer Nice]

I <3 Dragon Age 2. The quests and combat are amazing so what if most of the setting is in Kirkwall? Kirkwall is one big ass city. People are just bawling because it's not Dragon Age Origins 2. Auto attack was dull and took out any pleasure of combat. Also on higher levels you need tactics, but I guess the bawlers can't realize that. Then again haters goin hate.

[Rykoth]

21 hours in, still on Act 2.

I love it more then DAO I think. Not that there's anything wrong with DAO, don't get me wrong.

But here's the BIG difference for me. Character Development.

Let's look at other Bioware games.

Dragon Age Origins
- You recruit party member
- You talk with party member. Party member talks about himself/herself.
- One brief question about the Warden's life (ever experience someone close to you die/how did you become a Warden/etc.)
- Personal Quest, becase its all about the party member, as if there isn't a Blight to Stop
- You do romance with someone. It's not bad, but other then with a mod or two, that's pretty much all there is unless you are a Cousland Woman with Alistair.

Mass Effect
- You get your squad mates
- They talk about themselves, you might be able to influence behavior
- You can romance one of them, okay fine, that's not bad
- The rest might give you a personal quest you do, and end of story, no need to chat with them

Mass Effect 2
- Get squad mates
- They talk about themselves. Occasionally. But if you don't have a love interest in them, you can talk with them less
- The romances are brief. Not all bad, but way too brief
- They want loyalty missions as if the universe isn't in danger.

All three of these games are GREAT games...

But so far...

Dragon Age 2
- Get squad mates
- Can occasionally drop buy, we'll chit chat. Yes, they do tell us about themselves
- However, they seem to actually talk with one another beyond basic quips from DAO. A step up, it doesn't seem as absurdly random. They also can talk with Hawke during these random bits.
- They have a ton more input during missions. Rivalry/friendship system FTW as welll.
- They visit you and talk to you about stuff.
- The romances feel more mature as someone else posted on the character forums. I won't say anything more then that.

Sorry but that alone makes me enjoy DAO better. In just a few days of DA2, I feel like I know Varric, Isabella, Merill, Anders, and the rest (except maybe Fenris, I don't really use him with this version of Hawke) a whole lot more then I ever did with DAO even after a years worth of playing it again and again.

[501Hog]

to all the haters you all whine more than my 3 year old, for people that hate a game so much you talk a lot about it.
it's not BW best game but still like it very much

[bzombo]

i'm enjoying the game also. i like the new combat style. the graphics are nice too. i've come around on them after initially being nervous about how they'd turn out. the main thing i don't like is the way inventory is handled. i don't like that armor can not be changed, but only upgraded. the lighting is very dark in the menus too. dark red on black background without much brightness seems like a bad idea.

[Maconbar]

On the whole I am enjoying the game.

I like the waves of mobs and most of the changes in combat.

I don't like the dialogue with the companions nearly as much so I don't feel as connected to them as I did in DA:O. This is a significant disappointment for me.

[AkiKishi]

I was for the first couple of hours now chapter 1 is really starting to drag. I've seen the same areas, the same wave upon wave of uninteresting combat. It's like one big Deep Road or Fade.

I hope things pick in chapter 2 because I feel more like an errand boy than a champion right now.