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[randallman]

If they just made the combat more like other, more traditional cRPGs, I'd probably consider the game a success...  Sure the story is a bit weak, but the combat does *not* resemble turn based (which is a hallmark of nearly all good cRPGs) in the slightest.

Also, the cooldown timers on healing are out of hand - makes a 'healer/tanker' combo less fun (which isnt really core cRPG, but more MMO-like)

--Randall

[contextual_entity]

The most likely truth, as is usually the case, lies somewhere in the middle.

People aren't really swinging from the chandeliers by their teeth in glee over DA2 for the most part, which means the community is happily playing the game but not feeling the need to broadcast their exuberance.
The negative side however, the old school fan-people are decrying the lost or their “purist” RPG, do feel the need to complain. Loudly, it would seem.
Then there is the minority that are actually very happy with the game, making these threads.

Hence we get the majority crowd sitting quietly playing the 7/10 or 8/10 game or getting on with life, while the forums are flooded with the purists feeling betrayed and the fan-people defending them.

N.B. My reasoning for this is purely anecdotal I admit, but it's to my mind the most obvious explanation.

Modifié par Amitar, 11 mars 2011 - 02:49 .

[Annarl]

Do i like DA2? Yes. Do I love it? No. It's a good game but not a great one. It deserves 7.5 /10 (in my opinion). There are great improvements such as combat and the graphics, while some things that have been made worse such as not enough companion interaction and recycled environments.

Overall, it just isn't has good has Origins but it isn't a bad game either.

Modifié par omearaee, 11 mars 2011 - 02:58 .

[Nekator]

Turnip Root wrote...

The only reason why so many comments on the board are negative is that the people who do enjoy the game are playing it rather than listening to people whine about it.

People were complaining just as much when Dragon Age:Origins, Awakening and Mass Effect 2 were released as well.  This is no different and I'm sure the same thing will happen when Mass Effect 3 is released.

The complaints on these forums should not be indicative of the game's reception from fans or it's popularity. 
It's just that people love being hipsters so when they have something negative to say they'll always say it thinking they're being insightful and clever pointing out supposed huge flaws which usually don't even matter to most people.

This spam is always the last "argument" fanboys have for their game/developer, when it gets mostly bad critics. Was the same with Civ V etc.

The great, but silent horde of players who are so in love with the game, that they can´t write their opinion.  I just wonder why the great defenders are not playing..

Modifié par Nekator, 11 mars 2011 - 03:46 .

[Vollkeule]

The great, but silent horde of players who are so in love with the game, that they can´t write their oppinion. lol

this!

i have a lot of criticism i never had for origins. da2 is surly a good game. i find 7.5/10 is a fair judgement. but is it realy up to be compared with origins? i think not...

[Arppis]

tekraa wrote...

Did you see the Metacritic score? No, the community is not happy.

People who are over-reacting are showing it in Metacritic score. Just like they do when they hate some game series like Halo or Killzone. And people who are mostly content with the game are busy playing it and are just propably looking at the score out of interest and then going about their things.

[FDrage]

BelgianGuy wrote....

I'm happy with the game. People nowadays seem to love to drink vinegar so much, they forget to get off their high horse, stop their elitist attitudes and just enjoy stuff.

Also their is a difference between people like DownyTif who actually give constructive criticism, and trolls who hate stuff because... because they're hatefull trolls I guess.
Blind hate leads to nothing. Healthy criticism like I've seen from Downy Tiff leads to better products in general.

The thing is, that so called "trolls" are on both sides of the fence . Looking at some of the "criticism" and some of the "praises" they are just the same in terms of language etc. if people enjoy it, it is great because that is exactly what a game should be about, whcih is Fun Fun Fun.

But it doesn't help either blanketly brush a game with the "awesome" brush without mentioning some of the flaws (even if one can live with them), because that isn't necessary constructive either. Just in the same way as platened "I hatez itz" isn't help full either as there is no discussion about what is wrong. "Blind hate" is just the opposite side of the coin to "blind acceptance".

Personally at present it is probably useless to actually discuss what is "wrong and right" and give feedback on how to change it as it will get lost in all the "Awesome - Hate it" shouting matches. Also personally I think that a well thought out post (lots of work with probably not tooo much return .. at least at present) of criticism without "ways of making it better" can be helpful in that way that at least it is made obvious on what went wrong and how.

Personally I 'm not a games developer nor do I know enough about the whole process to actually be able to make "useful" suggestion on how to make it better. So quite often I will restrict myself to what I thing went wrong and why ... if my ears can take the shouting matches that is.

Modifié par FDrage, 11 mars 2011 - 03:23 .

[Ignus Burns]

BelgianGuy wrote...
Also their is a difference between people like DownyTif who actually give constructive criticism, and trolls who hate stuff because... because they're hatefull trolls I guess.
Blind hate leads to nothing. Healthy criticism like I've seen from Downy Tiff leads to better products in general.

If I ever see a post by a person who likes DA2 complain about trolls that hate on DA2 AND trolls that hate on the trolls that hate on DA2, I might die of shock. Until then, I will take all those who only complain about a subset of the troll population with a grain of salt.

[Ignus Burns]

Arppis wrote...
People who are over-reacting are showing it in Metacritic score.

That is true, it's generally best to ignore those who says that "IT'S THE BEST/WORST GAME EVER"

[errant_knight]

omearaee wrote...

Do i like DA2? Yes. Do I love it? No. It's a good game but not a great one. It deserves 7.5 /10 (in my opinion). There are great improvements such as combat and the graphics, while some things that have been made worse such as not enough companion interaction and recycled environments.

Overall, it just isn't has good has Origins but it isn't a bad game either.

I have to put it lower than that as I really dislike the combat and the graphics,particularly character graphics, as well as the many other changes which greatly detract from this game for me, but I can still agree that it's not a bad game. A less than stellar Bioware game is still better than most of the games out there.

And I like Varric WAY more than I thought I would.

[Captain Sassy Pants]

People's complaints of this game are quite valid, and your disagreement in no way invalidates that.

Deal with it, get over yourself, and move on.

You fanboys make me sick. This forum is a hive, filled to the brim with nothing but apologists, fanboys and white knights.

I admit that I am masochistic enough to keep reading the garbage you spew and get worked up over it. I just don't love myself, but I never thought I'd be witness to so much blind stupidity outside of the Youtube comments section.

Modifié par Captain Sassy Pants, 11 mars 2011 - 04:53 .

[backrow]

flushfire wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...
The community IS happy with Dragon Age II.

Joined: 2011-03-07

And you already represent the community. Enchantment!

+1

i can assure you that not all of the community IS happy with Dragon Age II

[Taurenul]

Turnip Root wrote...

tekraa wrote...

Did you see the Metacritic score? No, the community is not happy.

I assume you're talking about the fan reviews since most professional reviews have been very positive.

Those reviews came out hours after the game was released.  There is no way they played enough of the game to give an objective opinion of the game.  

And what does make a reviewer "professional"? Last time I checked there was no diploma that aknowledged that.

People working on gaming sites that give reviews tend to be more forgiving and positive with scoring games that come from bigger companies (like Activision or EA), because those companies will continue to make games. And when they want to advertise certain games, they sometimes send copies of it to these gaming sites (ahead of launch).

This means that the reviews will be ready shortly after or even pre-launch, further increasing advertisement of the game and giving the publishers some nice scores to add to the trailers (9/10 or 5/5 from gaming magazine/gaming site <insert name here>).

Bashing a game means that they are not likely to receive another game from that company in the future.

And no I'm not saying this is a world wide conspiracy, that this thing happens ALL the time. I'm only saying that you should take this into consideration when praising the "professional" reviewers.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

what kind of jedi mind trick is this? I love dragon age and these are not the droids im looking for..

[Russalka]

The forum does not show any majority.

[Lord Coake]

The console community is happy with DA2.  They of ten-second attention spans, with no DRM screwing up their drives, little computing assets left unchallenged, no history of stupendous examples of RPG's past and nothing but an unbroken line of twitch shooters to call "awesome games" are happy.

PC players that provided the market that built Bioware from the ground up are infuriated, kicked to the curb as we are in favor of the mindless, dorito-crumb encrusted paws of the console market.  With our Hard Drives packed with unsanctioned and invasive DRM, constant system freezes from halfassed porting, graphics from ten years ago, poor controls, poorer camera angles, less than a third of the game DA:O was for a higher price, and, above all, a game that's related to the last Dragon Age in name only that more resembles Gauntlet Legends than what we've come to expect from Dragon Age.

Modifié par Lord Coake, 11 mars 2011 - 06:08 .

[Rykoth]

I'm a PC player and I LOVE DA2.
Does the lack of top down agitate me a little? Sure.
Is the lack of stamina/health potions slightly annoying? Mmmhm.
Does it make me loathe the game?
No, because I play Bioware games for the real thing they offer... a damn fine story. It's not a story for everyone, but that doesn't mean it isn't a damn fine story. Infact, so far, Varric, Isabella, and Merill are offering far more depth then any DAO companions EVER had.

[gecos]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

People's complaints of this game are quite valid, and your disagreement in no way invalidates that.

Deal with it, get over yourself, and move on.

You fanboys make me sick. This forum is a hive, filled to the brim with nothing but apologists, fanboys and white knights.

I admit that I am masochistic enough to keep reading the garbage you spew and get worked up over it. I just don't love myself, but I never thought I'd be witness to so much blind stupidity outside of the Youtube comments section.

DA2 looks like a good enough release for what we may expect from today's gaming market but it falls short of what some of us expected considering all the Bioware classics that preceded it. How short it depends really on taste. However I also cannot understand how it can be considered "10/10", "RPG of the decade", "best of the best", "awesome", "much better than DA:O". If this is the (quite low) standard that we hold our favorite developer to, then it will a grim day for gamers everywhere. And this is where the fanbois are doing the worst damage.

[The Last Roman]

I'm pretty happy with this game so far. If it took them 6 years to make the first one, and only 2 years to make this one, then I'll be more than happy seeing 3 games like this in the next 6 years as opposed to one game like DAO.

[backrow]

let's not let it become platform wars, Lord. there's problems on both sides although i agree that it is bioware fault for making a game aimed at seemingly younger crowd only. (even though they can't even buy it, legally!)

[Heather Cline]

very happy with the game. have played 30+ hours and still haven't beaten it. I beat DA:O in two days. I'm on my 4th day playing and having a blast. Yeah there are some options I think they should have left in. Like the ability to switch between weapons like say if playing a mage, switching between a fire based staff and a ice based staff. Or the auto attack option should have been left in for the 360 version.

But overall this game is pretty damned awesome.

[Russalka]

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

People's complaints of this game are quite valid, and your disagreement in no way invalidates that.

Deal with it, get over yourself, and move on.

You fanboys make me sick. This forum is a hive, filled to the brim with nothing but apologists, fanboys and white knights.

I admit that I am masochistic enough to keep reading the garbage you spew and get worked up over it. I just don't love myself, but I never thought I'd be witness to so much blind stupidity outside of the Youtube comments section.

Of course they are valid, but most of them have a tone that is inflammatory and condescending.
The trollish naysayers from before the release have now all the justification to go rampant. It is responded to with more trolling or insulting, from either side. It is a vicious circle.

[TwistedComplex]

tekraa wrote...

Did you see the Metacritic score? No, the community is not happy.

It has 100 more reviews than Mass Effect 2 and it's only been out for 3 days

Yeah, it's not getting spammed or anything

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Rykoth wrote...

I'm a PC player and I LOVE DA2.
Does the lack of top down agitate me a little? Sure.
Is the lack of stamina/health potions slightly annoying? Mmmhm.
Does it make me loathe the game?
No, because I play Bioware games for the real thing they offer... a damn fine story. It's not a story for everyone, but that doesn't mean it isn't a damn fine story. Infact, so far, Varric, Isabella, and Merill are offering far more depth then any DAO companions EVER had.

The last time i checked the ability to actually talk with your companions whenever you wanted to has been replaced with scripted cutscenes that tell you when to talk with your companions that lead to going to a recycled area, fighting endless waves of recycled enemies while watching a boring cutscene to end the quest. No deep information to uncover ...no its just "HEY HAWKE I HAVE PROBLEM DERP! U HELP NOW THEN I LIKE U DERP!".

[PirateT138]

No. Not happy. I'll accept it, it's not a bad game, but this is most certainly NOT the sequel I had hoped for.