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[Lotion Soronarr]

www.blisteredthumbs.net/2011/03/dragon-age-ii-in-5-seconds/   

And now I want to play Golden Axe again...

[Direshadow]

I'm also guessing that the "Community" are kids still in their teens who stare at you blankly when you mention "Thac0" to them.

We're disappointed in Dragon Age 2 because it's a button masher with dialogue options. Once again, the industry is is taking the "Wii" route. I blame the Wii for a lot of the problems it's going through these days.

[Russalka]

Direshadow wrote...

I'm also guessing that the "Community" are kids still in their teens who stare at you blankly when you mention "Thac0" to them.

That is exactly why no one is getting along. People have different opinions, get over it.

[TJSolo]

Turnip Root wrote...

The only reason why so many comments on the board are negative is that the people who do enjoy the game are playing it rather than listening to people whine about it.

So are you saying you do not enjoy the game because well..you are posting rather than playing.  I would think there is enough time in the day for people to play a game and have adequate time to do others things with their life, like posting their opinion on the games they play.


What I can recall of the first few weeks of postings about ME2 and DAO were people discussing the issues that effect them and other people questioning the validity of those issues.

[Direshadow]

Russalka wrote...

Direshadow wrote...

I'm also guessing that the "Community" are kids still in their teens who stare at you blankly when you mention "Thac0" to them.

That is exactly why no one is getting along. People have different opinions, get over it.

Except that some opinions are the right ones. Simplifiying things purely for the reason of making more money is BAD and only serves to take the art out of the art form.

Tolkien wasn't concerned with making piles of money when he wrote Lord of the Rings, he wanted to make a world filled with details that made it seem alive. As if Middle Earth was a real place that you could go to and sit in on political discussions or watch from a hillside as a vital battle took place.

This industry is dying because the "art" is being lost in the name of making as much money as possible.

Anyone who argues that Dragon Age: Orgins was a commercial failure is wrong... period. The only reason the second game was changed so much is because the series could make them more money, at the cost of it's spiritual roots.

Say goodbye to the "Spiritual Successor" to Baldur's Gate 2. Those days are gone, replaced with celebraty voice actors, bloom lighting, and a combat system that is easy on the brain... cause thinking is hard.

[DrMatta]

Speak for yourself OP.

I finished Dragon Age II just now.
For me it was a biggest disappointment in years (and i have played/finished/loved ALL Bioware games up until here)

[magicwins]

Direshadow wrote...

I'm also guessing that the "Community" are kids still in their teens who stare at you blankly when you mention "Thac0" to them.

To hit armor class 0!!! No I did not google it!!

Do I get a cookie?

And @OP: STFU. Don't assume to speak for Anonymous. Anonymous will always have dissenting opinions, and quite frankly, my dissenting opinion wishes your opinion would shove something up its *** right now.

[football_punk64]

I haven't read most of the forum here, but I've been reading quite a few of the forums since DA 2 was released. Also in my off times I was playing it. Initially I had only one issue with it the lack of direction and understanding in the main plot line. To add I'm playing on the 360. So I have been playing and just finished act 2, and I'm finding it growing on me. I am beginning to understand what direction I'm taking.

I would like to take this opportunity to defend DA 2. Please note, at first I was quite displeased with DA2 also. Also take note that I have played far to many RPG's based on my love for a good story.

1) you cannot compare DA2 to DA O. I will try and explain this without giving away spoilers. Regarding the storyline the state of Thedas is totally different. Origins is a epic storyline. DA 2 is more surrounding the realism of a life, but following a plot of tragic plot line and a fight for something better. I guess what I'm coming down to is can you compare the plot of Lord of the Rings to Lethal weapon or cop out? No because the plot are centered towards different problems. I could go on about plot schemes and story lines for days, but I'll move on.

2) as for the button mashing. The only difference between DA O and DA 2 ( for Xbox 360) is that the combat is faster and there is not auto attack if you don't press A. simple as that.

3) The only grievance that I can really think of is the lack of dialog to get to know your fellow companions. The is character development but it is very superficial thus far (once again I'm only starting act 3) but there is still some time for that to change.

4) for many players they will be turned off because of the lack of direction, But if you can stick with it a little while longer you will find how the story will draw you into it.

Yes, I agree, with more time it would have been better, but that is true with everything. But everyone is initially turned off by change. I'll admit, when mass effect 2 first came out, I HATED it. but after sticking with it for a little while longer I began to be drawn in by the story and action, to the point where It is difficult for me to play ME 1. However, I can understand if you upset with the game due to technical issues such as crashes.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, finish the game. Don't set your opinions in stone within the first 5 minutes of the game, because if you go into it with a pessimistic view you will hate it. If you are optimistic your experience will be far different.

If anyone wants to get into details about plot lines and such, starts a spoilers and let me know, cause I'm always up for a good debate. And please give me feedback.

Modifié par football_punk64, 11 mars 2011 - 07:32 .

[contextual_entity]

Direshadow wrote...

I'm also guessing that the "Community" are kids still in their teens who stare at you blankly when you mention "Thac0" to them.

"To Hit vs Armor class 0." Don't make me break out my ADnD 2.0 rulebooks, it'll only make me nostalgic and cranky.

That said, I can enjoy DA2 for what it is. I actually think it's on par with, though decidedly different to, DA:O. However it's worth noting that I'm also of the opinion that KoTOR2 is better than the original for it's pseudo-philosphy, complexity of characters and depth of options compared to KoTOR well written and polished, yet tradional story and one time plot twist (that I kind of saw coming.)

I think DA2 is in the same boat of KoTOR and it's sequal, I can see why people would prefer the first, but for me it's all the small changes that make it work better. As far as polish and traditionalists go DA:O is far and away in the lead, but I guess I'm weird because I prefer the better rounded characters (in general, not just the comapnions) and political intrigues of Kirkwall to the stabbing of big dragon-things to save the world.

[Paladin1650]

I don't know why people are criticizing the combat in DA2 as "mindless button mashing". Are you playing on easy? I'm on hard and so far the game is more difficult than DA1. it is more difficult and requires more tactics than Baldur's Gate or NWN for that matter. Enemies are much more difficult to CC, have more health, better AI, and there are tons of them. They go after your ranged classes so often I have to kite 50% of the time. The fast-paced combat makes it more difficult to pause and be tactical, but you can still do it.

It just requires a different style of play, where your tactics are more based around kiting and less around stacking chokepoints with AoE. Rotate through enemies to keep them knocked down. Add in the much more interesting abilities, the AWESOME new physics system, and I am much happier with the combat in DA2 than DA1.

Let me just list a few things to be clear:

1. Many regular enemies have more health than in DA1
2. Many attacks now have a physics component, makes archery 100x better than in DA1
3. Enemies are more difficult to CC, CC has been nerfed (rightly so)
4. Fireball and other OP spells have been nerfed. Seriously guys, did you forget that you can get through 90% of DA1 on Hard or even Nightmare with just 3 mages fireballing everything and the occasional cone of cold on bosses?
5. Tactics required are different, not gone. More kiting, and creative CCing (rotating knockdowns), less just blocking chokepoints and AoEing
6. YOU CANNOT SPAM POTIONS
7. Healing spells are weaker (so far)
8. Enemy mages seem to have more immunity spells that actually require dispel magic. I never once used dispel in DA1.
9. The combat animations are incredible
10. Combat feels more realistic because it is faster, there is a lot of physics modeling (you can dodge), enemies are no so easily tanked/taunted, and CC is not so cheaply available.

So really, I don't know what people are complaining about. Use your brain, if the game is too easy, crank up the difficulty, go out with a party of less then 4, drop whatever party member has the overpowered abilities that are making it too easy, etc.

Outside of combat I admit, there are some disappointing aspects to the game. Many "side quests" are horribly canned, there is VASTLY less dialog than DA1, the whole trap-laying, trap-disarming aspect of being a rogue feels missing. The world is largely empty of stuff to find, people to interact with. Generally you can only interact with quest targets and like 1 other person. The party members in DA2 are nowhere near up to the standard set by DA1 and Mass Effect. But on the flipside, I find the NPC interactions and cutscenes more compelling than most of DA1, where the vast majority of NPCs outside of your party members felt wooden and fake, and were extremely boring to listen to. You earn money much more easily than in DA1, and the gear you can buy and find is way more interesting, and has better models. DA1 was a huge letdown in terms of gear and the whole economics of the game was off.

Anyway I'm not sure why I'm writing this because anyone reading this likely already bought the sequel, but if you have been frightened off by all the negative reviews and comments, rest assured there is plenty of tactical depth in DA2 if you go looking for it.

[Taurenul]

Paladin1650 wrote...

7. Healing spell* is weaker (so far)

Fixed that for you.

Modifié par Taurenul, 13 mars 2011 - 10:59 .

[SnakeHelah]

I suspect some are happy. But the majority is not, well - not the "hardcore" DAO fans, I bet. I personally however, am Neutral about DA2, it's not something I hate but it isn't a masterpiece either, you know, I gotta give credit for Bioware for at least giving us something of the DA universe, and I hope that they keep doing it, for whatever comes next I am always looking forward for something that is Dragon age.
(Not the facebook DA legends game though, god no facebook!)

[NotFrom4chan]

It doesn't matter what the community thinks because this game is not targeted at the community. DA2 was made to attract a new, younger, console playing audience.

You guys can complain all you want, the only thing that matters are the console sales figures.

[Shadowcran]

Fidget6 wrote...

 The thing is people who complain, complain LOUDLY and obnoxiously. The people who actually enjoy the game don't feel the need to start a new thread every couple minutes about how much they like it. 

Amen.

You've got a lot of negative threads, but if you'll notice, it's the same ****s over and over again. Why do this? That's easy.

I've seen it in Oblivion forums after the game was released. It's paid critics by rival companies. It's now standard business practice which can only hurt gaming in it's entire. After about 2 weeks, these paid morons go away and people get down to the bare bones of why they like/dislike a game. Let us also remember that thanks to modding, Oblivion is STILL going strong. There's about 30k mods out there for that game. Hell, just 5 of them, the FCOM bunch, is enough to keep a person playing 3 mroe years.

FCOM
FCOM is it's own mod but it ties together:

Francesco's mod
warCry
Obscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
Martigen's Monster Mod

Each mod is huge.

[NotFrom4chan]

Shadowcran wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

 The thing is people who complain, complain LOUDLY and obnoxiously. The people who actually enjoy the game don't feel the need to start a new thread every couple minutes about how much they like it. 

Amen.

You've got a lot of negative threads, but if you'll notice, it's the same ****s over and over again. Why do this? That's easy.

I've seen it in Oblivion forums after the game was released. It's paid critics by rival companies. It's now standard business practice which can only hurt gaming in it's entire. After about 2 weeks, these paid morons go away and people get down to the bare bones of why they like/dislike a game. Let us also remember that thanks to modding, Oblivion is STILL going strong. There's about 30k mods out there for that game. Hell, just 5 of them, the FCOM bunch, is enough to keep a person playing 3 mroe years.

FCOM
FCOM is it's own mod but it ties together:

Francesco's mod
warCry
Obscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
Martigen's Monster Mod

Each mod is huge.

This is true. I've been paid by a rival company to come here and undermine DA2. They don't want you to know this, but every person here who has a negative opinion is from a different company. Even the people who have older accounts were just rival employees biding their time, waiting for Bioware to release another game they could undermine.

The metacritic reviews are 4chan, though. Rival companies only have so much money you know.

But despite my paid dislike of this game I have to agree with you. Mods allow for so much. DA2 can be modded, right? Right?

[Aurgelmir]

Shadowcran wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

 The thing is people who complain, complain LOUDLY and obnoxiously. The people who actually enjoy the game don't feel the need to start a new thread every couple minutes about how much they like it. 

Amen.

You've got a lot of negative threads, but if you'll notice, it's the same ****s over and over again. Why do this? That's easy.

I've seen it in Oblivion forums after the game was released. It's paid critics by rival companies. It's now standard business practice which can only hurt gaming in it's entire. After about 2 weeks, these paid morons go away and people get down to the bare bones of why they like/dislike a game. Let us also remember that thanks to modding, Oblivion is STILL going strong. There's about 30k mods out there for that game. Hell, just 5 of them, the FCOM bunch, is enough to keep a person playing 3 mroe years.

FCOM
FCOM is it's own mod but it ties together:

Francesco's mod
warCry
Obscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
Martigen's Monster Mod

Each mod is huge.

I was not paid. Now everyone feel how soft my new fur coat is!

Modifié par Aurgelmir, 13 mars 2011 - 11:50 .

[NotFrom4chan]

Aurgelmir wrote...

Shadowcran wrote...

Fidget6 wrote...

 The thing is people who complain, complain LOUDLY and obnoxiously. The people who actually enjoy the game don't feel the need to start a new thread every couple minutes about how much they like it. 

Amen.

You've got a lot of negative threads, but if you'll notice, it's the same ****s over and over again. Why do this? That's easy.

I've seen it in Oblivion forums after the game was released. It's paid critics by rival companies. It's now standard business practice which can only hurt gaming in it's entire. After about 2 weeks, these paid morons go away and people get down to the bare bones of why they like/dislike a game. Let us also remember that thanks to modding, Oblivion is STILL going strong. There's about 30k mods out there for that game. Hell, just 5 of them, the FCOM bunch, is enough to keep a person playing 3 mroe years.

FCOM
FCOM is it's own mod but it ties together:

Francesco's mod
warCry
Obscuro's Oblivion Overhaul
Martigen's Monster Mod

Each mod is huge.

I was not paid. Now everyone feel how soft my new fur coat is!

Hey Aurgelmir, just remember we have that meeting with Mr Kotick at 12. He wants to go over our recents efforts on the forums and whether we need to ramp up our viral subterfuge of this glorious game from Bioware.

[Alex109222]

Speak for your self OP.
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[colata]

I forced myself a little to be happy with this game

[Aurgelmir]

NotFrom4chan wrote...

Hey Aurgelmir, just remember we have that meeting with Mr Kotick at 12. He wants to go over our recents efforts on the forums and whether we need to ramp up our viral subterfuge of this glorious game from Bioware.

Who would have thought this game, sent down from the heavens by baby jesus himself, could so easily have been brought down by our nefarious scheme.

[Leiermann]

Maybe its good for you and i respect you, but why? DA2 is very poor vs DAO: Inventory/equiment; character record/statistics; skills/talents; current quests/CODEX; conversation..; creation/poisons,traps,herbolism; combat system; camera; localitations/variety; primary and secondary characters; FREEDOM/make your game!; artwork; history and duration. If you want a game so simple called DA2 good