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[Xaltar81]

I have noticed he hasn't been back on the forums for quite a while. I just feel that it may be good for him to know that while many of us hate DA2, we do not in any way blame him for it. From what I saw of the story for DA2 it looked well written, clever and interesting. I love the story but can't stand the way it was delivered. I was briefly tempted to try and recreate DA2 in DA:O toolset after looking at the DA2 story, it would be too much work for a single modder though . The game itself fails to put it forward the writing that went into it. I have seen a few people praising both the game and the story but for the most part, people that do not like the game are hardly able to see the story beyond all thier gripes. Its like all of the lord of the rings book fans were unable to appreciate the movies because of the outrage they felt about the changes made. That did not make the movies bad.

We love you David, please don't feel like your fans have turned on you.

[blowoutware]

There are childrens books with better written and more cohesive plots than this mess.

[AngelicMachinery]

Where's fricken Tom Bombadill?!?!?

[Donkeycow]

Well, he is still part of this disappointing product haha, i would not say he is blameless. That being said, from what i have seen of the story in DA 2 (about 6 hours in) it is not bad, but nor is it fully realized.

Edit:
Also Tom Bombadil did NOT need to be in the movies, he is a pointless character in the books lol

Modifié par Donkeycow, 11 mars 2011 - 08:08 .

[MorrigansLove]

The story is NOT well written. What have you been smoking?

[ChrisBen]

It's possible that there was a decent story buried somewhere in this game, but if it existed it was inundated with a veritable flood of unimportant and, frankly, boring sidequests, miniquests, what have you (tripe).

[chosef]

Probably busy re-reading Twilight. He does like how the romance is written in it. Maybe he seeks more inspiration for future projects from it.

[Xaltar81]

blowoutware wrote...

There are childrens books with better written and more cohesive plots than this mess.

As I said, I hated the way the story was delivered in the final game. It is very difficult to appreciate the writing when the game itself makes things so incohierent. That is not a fault with the story however, it is a fault with the way it was delivered.

[Donkeycow]

You're getting mean chosef

[colata]

blowoutware wrote...

There are childrens books with better written and more cohesive plots than this mess.

That's why I like the movies backed by solid novels

[Darji]

the story in general is bad. Especially in the detail. For example if you are a mage people should kknow that you are one epecially when you have fought with or infront of them. Its stupid that people after a fight still say bad mages and luckily we are not ne of them but moments ago he already saw that i am a mage or also have another mage in my party....

Origins was much cleverer in  this aspect. It was far more detailed.

[Naitaka]

I agree, but I doubt he didn't have a say in how the story is presented, I hated the fact how many major decision in the game happens DURING CUTSCENE, with ZERO player input. Your Hawke just either stand there and do nothing or same some totally unprompted random line. I mean, sure it happens all the time in cRPG, but when it happens to almost every major event in the game, something is wrong.

Modifié par Naitaka, 11 mars 2011 - 08:11 .

[chosef]

Donkeycow wrote...

You're getting mean chosef

Hey, regarding Twilight, those are his words, not mine.

[MDarwin]

Donkeycow wrote...
Edit:
Also Tom Bombadil did NOT need to be in the movies, he is a pointless character in the books lol

Point for him being in the book was that the ring had no power/influence over him. Good old Tom.

[Naitaka]

chosef wrote...

Donkeycow wrote...

You're getting mean chosef

Hey, regarding Twilight, those are his words, not mine.

Bioware wouldn't know a good "romance" even if you write it in bold letters on a board and hit them over the head with it repeatedly. All of Bioware's romances in the last few years are just excuses to get shagged.

[Eterna]

blowoutware wrote...

There are childrens books with better written and more cohesive plots than this mess.

Troll. troll everyone nothing to see!

[Xaltar81]

I think perhaps some people overestimate the writers influence in the overall game. David was not the only writer involved in the development of DA2, he was the lead writer. What that means is that he was responsible for the story, not for the random party banter, the crappy side quests and other such details. I don't believe he was personaly responsible for these elements. They were most likely assigned to junior writers. I am not saying that he is completely blameless, I am saying that I and most of us cannot in all fairness lay blame on him for the many downfalls of the game that have led to this overwhelmingly poor reception.

David showed on the release of Origins that he is more than happy to hear feedback on the writing of the games he has worked on, both good and bad so long as it is constructive and to the point. I really enjoyed the conversations with David following DA:O's release, in many ways it helped me appreciate the story and plot of the game where before I was confused or felt things were out of place. Being told by the writer than "this....." is what I intended regarding a character makes it so much easier to put all the pieces together and appreciate the narrative. DA2 fans are being deprived of this because David was so soundly flamed for his role in this game. I am not a fan of DA2 and any of you who have seen my posts will know that but I do feel that the fans DO deserve the same level of interaction with the developers that DA:O had.

[upsettingshorts]

Uh, he was just posting in this thread as recently as an hour ago.

You know the spoiler section where he and others can discuss the story at length.  That's just my guess though, I haven't been following DG or the forums all that closely.

Naitaka wrote...

All of Bioware's romances in the last few years are just excuses to get shagged.

Get shagged? Pft, I didn't even get a sex card for Isabela.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[17thknight]

ChrisBen wrote...

It's possible that there was a decent story buried somewhere in this game, but if it existed it was inundated with a veritable flood of unimportant and, frankly, boring sidequests, miniquests, what have you (tripe).

Would that entirely be his fault, though? I honestly don't know to what level writers, developers, designers etc. have control over various aspects of games, and I'm sure it changes from company to company.

Not to mention the game was RUSHED out the door (undoubtedly at the demands of EA, as they are the publishers, and publishers are almost always responsible for that kind of garbage), and it's pretty damn hard to write compelling stuff with a gun to your head and 1/7th (literally) the time to do it.

That being said, yes, the plot is not nearly as compelling as the last game, but let's be frank, I don't know that David had much say in the matter.

[Vengeance of the Grave]

lol the ****ty story was a train wreck, he should be fired

[blowoutware]

they may as well had harry potters author write some of this, seeing as how every character comes onto hawke and mine isn't the least bit gay...

that was awkward for sure.

[upsettingshorts]

17thknight wrote...

That being said, yes, the plot is not nearly as compelling as the last game

I disagree.  I find the big bad (Archdemon/Blight) almost the opposite of compelling.  DAO was awesome as exposition, and an introduction to Thedas and a variety of cultures that live there.  DA2 told a story.

But let me not suggest that such things are subjective.  That would be... unheard of.

blowoutware wrote...

they may as well had harry potters author write some of this, seeing as how every character comes onto hawke and mine isn't the least bit gay...

that was awkward for sure.

Not sure what it has to do with Harry Potter, but I suppose in real life you wear a sign around your neck that says "NOT GAY" in order to avoid such issues?

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 11 mars 2011 - 08:25 .

[chosef]

Eterna5 wrote...

blowoutware wrote...

There are childrens books with better written and more cohesive plots than this mess.

Troll. troll everyone nothing to see!

Why troll?

Depends on what you and him clasify as a 'children's book. For me, stuff like Alice in Wonderland, Pinocchio, The Hobbit etc. all qualify and are definitely vastly superior to the plot and writing in this(or pretty much any other) game.

Then again, if he meant that, it doesn't make much sense to use 'children's book' as something derogatory.

[AngelicMachinery]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Uh, he was just posting in this thread as recently as an hour ago.

You know the spoiler section where he and others can discuss the story at length.  That's just my guess though, I haven't been following DG or the forums all that closely.

Naitaka wrote...

All of Bioware's romances in the last few years are just excuses to get shagged.

Get shagged? Pft, I didn't even get a sex card for Isabela.

But you did get Scabies!