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[Savvy30039]

Spoilers galore. Seriously, don't read if you haven't beaten the game. It's a long post anyway.

Let's be honest, straight female players have gotten the short end of the stick in terms of romances in past games. Not only do we always get exactly one choice, but it's often a character that is much reviled by the rest of the comunity, even though I've personaly loved them all. Yes, even Anomen.

With Dragon Age, that all changed. Not only do we get two guys to chose from, butwe get Alistair, who has got to be the greatest character in the universe ever. He's handy in a fight, everything he says is comedy gold, and his personal conversations are so silly and sweet that it makes for one heck of a romance. Honestly, how could I not be hooked to the guy after the "licked a lampost in winter" conversation. Poor Zev never even had a chance. But after the game had me truly attached with all sorts of heartwarming scenes, it decides to make me really fight for it.

First Alistair confeses his love by saying how I was the first woman he's spent the night with, and he'd like me to be the last. Aww that's so sweet. What's this? I have the option to ask where things are going with us? All right then. Oh, we might not have a future together after all. Well that fluffy feeling was short lived.

Then the first decision problem I had was after I rescued Queen Anora. The compromise option that would garantee peace was to have her and Alistair marry, and I had gone through the whole game trying to find the best outcome to all the situations, so I actually had to think about this one. But I'm no self-sacrificing jedi in this game. I'm a pampered noble whose not willing to throw away her future after already so much of the past was lost. So I steer clear of the marriage option, and continue on with the game to the Landsmeet.

The Wardens win, things are looking good, and I eventually take Loghain down. I'm all for letting him be Wardenized, but Alistair is having none of that, so I back down after he declares himself king and let him do the dirty deed for himself. Cut to Eamons's estate, Alistar makes his entrance, and promptly crushes my heart out of a sense of duty to the crown. Time to reload!

This time I don't back down for Loghains's surrender, and side with Anora so that Alistair won't be king. But apparently, this leads to me crushing his heart. He expresses dissapointment at my betrayal, and leaves the game forever. At this point the game has me thinking there's no way I get to keep my romance with Alistair alive. Though outside influences already had me feeling down, I literally shed a tear at the fate of my poor Gray Warden and cursed the day I became I Bioware fan. So deciding that being the lonesome hero who fell in love with a king was to be my character's story, I reloaded again and cut right to the chase, not even bothering to campaign for Loghain's life.

What's this? They want me to decide who gets to rule after a calm, civilized discussion? And I get to chose to have Alistair be king and have me as his queen? And he's totally cool with it? SCORE!

So it's time to go to bed, and I'm cautiosly optimistic about the third Gray Warden sticking around for the final battle. Then Morrigan shows up and demands to jump Alistair's bones. Aaaarg! Why is everyone out to destroy this once easy-going and joyful relationship? Forget it, Morrigan can go die in a fire, I'm off to fight the final battle.

Of course, hours of battle later I see the senior Warden fall to his death, and know that either Alistair or I must die. So our relationship is doomed after all. Sigh... Ready to get this show on the road, I simply accept that I'll make the killing blow, and die for the new king. But I never even get the chance. Because of my relationship with Alistair, he's already determined that I should be the one that lives and takes out the archdemon before I can. I definitely wasn't cheering along with everyone else in the epilogue, and left Ferelden to go hang out on a boat with Sten and Zevran.

Of course, there's always the Morrigan option. Determined to find a good ending for my characterI steel myself to do the final battle again, and accept the witch's offer and the bad tase in my mouth with it. After this utterly painful decision, the game apparently decides that I should watch, romantic music and all. Hooray for the skip option. Eventually, after hours of saving and reloading, I find the happy ending I seek, and vow to stick with Zevran next time.

The thing is, all these choices would not have nearly the same impact if Alistair's character wasn't so endearing. If he had been a little more bland, and a little less interesting, I could have easily pawned him off on both Anora and Morrigan without really having to think about it. But because the game had me so deeply involved, and not in the relationship aspect alone, these decisions had me seriously contemplating what I should do. I don't think I've ever had so much of a personal investment in the outcome of the game, and am amazed at how deeply it effected me. So thank you Bioware, I both love you and hate you for making me care about your characters so much.

[Maria Caliban]

Savvy30039 wrote...

Let's be honest, straight female players have gotten the short end of the stick in terms of romances in past games.

Yes. Straight female gamers get the short end of the stick. Pardon me while I and many gay male gamers play the sad violin for you.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 novembre 2009 - 03:41 .

[newcomplex]

/agree.



The best thing about dragon age is it is the first Bioware rpg to date that gives this sort of personal deliemna on such a scale. I'm seriously looking forward to the next in the series.

[Savvy30039]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Savvy30039 wrote...

Let's be honest, straight female players have gotten the short end of the stick in terms of romances in past games.

Yes. Straight female gamers get the short end of the stick. Pardon me while I and many gay male gamers play the sad violin for you.

Way to completely disregard the entire point of my long post to harp on the tiniest detail, but yes, I concede that gay male gamers have had it much worse.

[andysdead]

it's a good story, one that drags you in and makes you empathize with the characters.



i think this game should go down in the classics of literature. seriously.

[Xaila]

Very well written post that sums up a lot of my feelings on the Alistair romance. Playing as a non-human and non-noble complicates things as well. In fantasy games, we always want to strive for the impossible, but in Dragon Age it seems the attitude toward romance is firmly planted in realism. Non-noble human women can't hope to be Alistair's queen. Even if you can, is it best for the kingdom? I really did feel for my poor lovestruck Dalish character and ultimately took the "selfish" route of giving Anora the crown just to keep him.



Would I have liked more romance options for Alistair? Yes, but I can understand why they took the route they did. It's just too bad he wasn't an option for the men. Now that would've been interesting...

[Maria Caliban]

Savvy30039 wrote...


Way to completely disregard the entire point of my long post...

You mean I spent the last hour weeping over the plight of straight women for nothing?!

Yes, I read your post. BioWare has made paladin guy, Carth, Kaiden, Valen, and Sky, but you didn't like those romances, so straight women were getting the short end of the stick. You've found a romance you do like, so NOW straight women are getting the attention they deserve. The other romances just don’t count, and the fact that straight women do pretty damn good in BioWare games apparently doesn’t count.

You then go on with an absolutely riveting account of your PC’s romance with Alistair. Apparently, I’m only to comment on that. If that’s the case, I’ll say I’m impressed. I’m impressed that I was able to slog through the entire thing without falling asleep.

There now, is that the response you were looking for?

[hexaligned]

He's a tool, to put it simply. A selfish whiny tool, I spent the whole "romance" wishing I could slap some man into him.

[Isaantia]

I really lucked out because I was able to get to Queen alongside Alistair on the 1st play through. Along with the threesome with Isabela. My PC's life was as reasonably happy as it would get. That was cool.



So I thought I would try reloading and trying different options. I wish after he dumps you after Landsmeet you had the option to tell him to both get lost and that you wished you would have spared Loghain after all. Holy crap. From here on out my PCs are going to romance Zev or Leliana lol. Getting dumped was 1 million times more painful than having him sleep with Morrigan.

[Walina]

I donot thank Bioware for this, instead I am cursing them because guy player aren't goging so much "trouble" for their romance, why can't we as female players as the same ?? Only options we have is to go after Zevran who can hook anybody or becoming lesbian, great...



By he way, is there no way to avoid Alistair sacrifing himself ? like not taking him in party ? I also prefer to sacrifice my mage instead before she ever had the chance t tell him her feelings >.>

[Devlen12]

relhart wrote...

He's a tool, to put it simply. A selfish whiny tool, I spent the whole "romance" wishing I could slap some man into him.

... win

[Wissenschaft]

I see we guys are so much easier to please. Hello there redhead hottie. Whats that? Your a nun bard assassin? O.o I think I'm in love.

[Devlen12]

Do you think the catholic church alows Nun-Bard-Assassins? I might start going to service again!

[bcooper56]

This all falls short of the epic dawlf sex that is in this game!!!!

[mappam]

I want Duncan.....

[Savvy30039]

Maria Caliban wrote...

You mean I spent the last hour weeping over the plight of straight women for nothing?!

Yes, I read your post. BioWare has made paladin guy, Carth, Kaiden, Valen, and Sky, but you didn't like those romances, so straight women were getting the short end of the stick. You've found a romance you do like, so NOW straight women are getting the attention they deserve. The other romances just don’t count, and the fact that straight women do pretty damn good in BioWare games apparently doesn’t count.

You then go on with an absolutely riveting account of your PC’s romance with Alistair. Apparently, I’m only to comment on that. If that’s the case, I’ll say I’m impressed. I’m impressed that I was able to slog through the entire thing without falling asleep.

There now, is that the response you were looking for?

Except that I flatly stated that I did enjoy all of those romances, the point of that brief three sentance paragraph was that straight males are the obvious target audience. Even the lesbian romances are more likely to be aimed at the dudes, and the female love interests are more often important parts of the story.

I'm deeply sorry that you were forced to read my entire post simply because I felt like sharing my thoughts. I am so humbled by your obviously superior insights that my posts don't merit any sort of interest. Thank you for curing me of my delusions.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Walina wrote...
 Only options we have is to go after Zevran who can hook anybody or becoming lesbian, great...

You say that as if becoming a lesbian is a bad thing.

[Tankenminnet]

Alistair is pretty awesome indeed! I was like you except uh, I'm a male and I played the entire relationship with Morrigan instead, but I also kept on reloading saves (especially at Landsmeet) because I wanted Alistair to survive all of it. And that he did, because I sacrificed my Dalish Elf to kill that thing! Hell yeah! Go Alistair keep on surviving! Wooh!



Also, letting dark, brooding witches carry around old gods inside of them is a bad idea. So yeah. No dice Morrigan.

[Mummolus]

Yes. Straight female gamers get the short end of the stick. Pardon me while I and many gay male gamers play the sad violin for you.

Homosexuals make up something like 10% of the population, why do they insist on getting at least 50% of the attention?

[Flamin Jesus]

Walina wrote...

I donot thank Bioware for this, instead I am cursing them because guy player aren't goging so much "trouble" for their romance, why can't we as female players as the same ?? Only options we have is to go after Zevran who can hook anybody or becoming lesbian, great...

Wait, what? Our options are either becoming gay (And going for the most feminine character in the game while doing it, interestingly), getting together with some airheaded broad with the only one interesting aspect that she used to kill people (Who also stands a good chance of running away after the game), or dating a cold-hearted **** who decides that as soon as the relationship is actually going somewhere, we're no longer worthy of sharing a bed with her, and then asks us to produce some demon-spawn with which to run away, never to be seen again.

Which of those options sounds the most appealing to you?

Modifié par Flamin Jesus, 16 novembre 2009 - 08:31 .

[Fudzie]

Lelianna's not really airheaded.



Just girly.

[Flamin Jesus]

Fudzie wrote...

Lelianna's not really airheaded.

Just girly.

Same diff

No, she may not be an airhead, but I just can't stand that whole giggly bubbly crap.

But to be honest, what really ruined the character for me was her singing scene, the song was really nice, the (facial) animation on the other hand was so completely broken I just can't get immersed into the game looking at her anymore.

[Never]

I loved Leli, but i had to actually turn away from the singing scene, because it was so awkward. It sure sounded nice though

[Fudzie]

I can't say I hate any of the characters, because, as characters, almost all of them were very well-done (I didn't get to chat with Oghren enough to really get a feel for him, and I got the game before Stone Prisoner was made free). They felt like fleshed-out people, like most of the characters Bioware's writing department have concocted.

I just didn't feel like any of the choices were -right- for DapperDan, myself. He settled on a bromance with Alistair.

EDIT: Completely forgot the point of what I wanted to say. That singing scene was pretty silly to watch, but I overlooked it the first time just because the Dalish elves were the last allies I had to find, and it was a fitting moment for something like that song to crop up.

I was just hoping that the rest of the camp would burst into song with her somehow. THAT would have been telling for the personalities of anyone who joined in.

Modifié par Fudzie, 16 novembre 2009 - 08:40 .

[Flamin Jesus]

Fret not, for the bromance is the purest form of relationship known to man!