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[Joie de Combat]

I have to say that Alistair's reaction made sense to me as well - primarily because, as already pointed out, he sees being a Grey Warden as an honor. Yes, it's dangerous and even the initiation can be fatal, but to Alistair that seems to be immaterial - you're never going to get him to think of making Loghain a Warden as a form of punishment. What it boils down to is that asking him to accept Loghain as a Warden is asking him to accept the man who betrayed his father figure and the other Wardens, people to whom Alistair had ties of fellowship and shared duty, as a brother.

The PC can push Alistair pretty far, but I don't have any problem accepting that this is the point at which he will absolutely draw the line. The pragmatic justifications for it just can't reach him through that emotional reaction.

Or that's how I read it, at least.

Modifié par Joie de Combat, 18 novembre 2009 - 08:33 .

[Fanderay]

I don't think it's that surprising that he'd do the threesome, since you have to "harden" him to do it (apologies for the unavoidable innuendo ). When you harden him, you don't even get the same "I love you" conversation; he's just must more selfish and interested in what feels good I guess

[Yorleen]

I think I'm getting the point... There's one difference between my mage before the Grey Wardens and Alistair before the Grey Wardens... My mage was feeling "at home" in the mage tower for many years and whereas she dreaded the Harrowing, she was nevertheless happy of her powers (and after taking the Harrowing, you understand its importance - at least I did)... Alistair wasn't happy at the Chantry with having to become a Templar against his own will and being seperated from the flying dogs... oops, I mean Arl Eamon who raised him... It's true that at this point we see how he can get stubborn when he feels ressentment, refusing to see Eamon when he came to visit him (he told the PC about it)...He met his true family with the Grey Warden whereas my PC had one before, even if he was with them only for some months... They gave him a goal in life and a place in this world. I hadn't thought of the brotherhood thing... I can imagine he would not want to see Loghain as a brother...

[Yorleen]

So actually you can get two slightly different Alistairs in the end of the game, right? I didn't hardened him after we met Goldana, I was kind to him telling him that there were other people caring for him...

[Endurium]

Al's a friendly enough guy, from a guy's standpoint, but he can be thick at times. I was disappointed by his poor attitude when I invited Shale to travel with us, so now he stays in camp next to Sten.



Even my female characters avoid Al (same player go figure). I love talking to Wynne however, especially after she's warmed up to me. We think alike and share similar viewpoints. Too bad she's not a romance option (with decorum, to use her terms) for us older gamers (or people who RP older characters) :-)



Al's young enough to be my son, after all.

[LdyShayna]

Endurium wrote...
Al's young enough to be my son, after all.

Hmm...I suppose this depends on which origin you play, but most of them require the PC to be just entering adulthood.

[Endurium]

LdyShayna wrote...

Endurium wrote...
Al's young enough to be my son, after all.

Hmm...I suppose this depends on which origin you play, but most of them require the PC to be just entering adulthood.

I was referring to my own age, which is a big factor in how I perceive the various companions. It's why I prefer Wynne's company, for one thing.

[Savvy30039]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...
As for the Duncan issue, I agree with those who say that Duncan was like a father to him, and I don't have a problem with Alistair's reaction. Having experienced a personal loss of my own this year, I can attest to the fact that such a thing can leave you emotional and prone to being less than  rational in your decision-making.

I'm mostly over the whole consuming anger/regret/bitterness/sadness thing at this point, thankfully. On the whole, I think Alistair actually handled things better than I did IRL, given the trying circumstances of the characters. It's like a big, gigantic slap to the face when the man who basically murdered his father (figure) has the chance to receive what he considers a high honor. 

Why is impossible to believe that Alistair might let irrational anger take over, just once? I've done it myself. I've had my fair share of  irrational outbursts because I was still angry about a death in the family. Cut Alistair some slack over it; the guy was more even-tempered about things than I've been. I just think the fact that he's not perfect makes him more human, myself, but then I'm looking at it through the prism of having experienced loss as well.

Believe me when I say that I know how you feel, which is why I fought so hard for that happy ending in my game. The whole reason I made this thread in the first place was not becacuse I thought the Alistair romance sucked at the end and wanted to change it, but because I was surprised at how badly it made me want that happy ending, and how much of the game I would replay to get it. The game had drawn in so completely that I wanted to explore every possible solution, and it  forced me to contemplate the results of my decisions when things didn't work out.

I already really like Zevran as well and am going after him in my next playthrough, but I can't help but wonder if I'll end up remembering the Alistair romance more simply because I had to try so hard to keep him, making the happy endng that much sweeter when I finally got it.

Of course that said, I still like to entertain other possible outcomes that the game didn't or couldn't present, but that's what fanfiction is for, no? 

[Sable Rhapsody]

Despite the fact that I love Alistair (and Zevran) and think their romances are awesome, because there are so many other emotionally fulfilling relationships with other party members, the romances have felt less...necessary for my PC's involvement and the game's addictiveness. In previous games, the really powerful emotional ties have come from the romance interest. In DA:O, I found Sten, Shale, and Morrigan's really awkward friendship conversations to be just as adorable and engaging as Alistair's romance conversations. (Especially when Shale finally breaks down and admits you're friends...then requests that you never mention the awkward bonding moment again. Love for Shale!) The romances felt like icing on the cake of just generally excellent interaction with all the characters.

[Jayce]

I can see where David's coming from. Alastair's just watched Loghaine betray and kill his half-brother and all his friends, some of who were as close as family, attempt to kill his foster father then repeatedly attempt to kill both himself and (if you're playing as his romantic interest) the person he loves.

It's not hard to see that the idea of sparing the Teryn would fill him with rage. It's like saying you want to make Osama Bin Laden president to the family of a 9-11 victim! It's not going to go down well, is it?

[Whitewolf]

I propably belong to those few who never got close with Alistair. In beginning, Al seemed to be a good guy but being bit cold myself and lot of decisions i made, Al didn't like it (thus being neutral with him almost all the time) and he was whiny most of the time (which was quite irritating actually).

I can perfectly understand why Alistair was furious at me when i spared Loghain's life and demanded to be king that he would get his vengeange but it was bit disturbing that he demanded me to kill Loghain in before his daughter's eyes, despite the fact that she was quite power hungry. Why he just couldn't draw a sword by himself and struck it to Loghain's heart without asking permission from me or even asking me to do it for himself?

In the end, i supported Queen Anora that Alistair couldn't be a king as i accepted Riordan's view that Grey Wardens needed all the help they could get. It is sad thought that Alistair didn't accepted my view but he had damn good reasons not to. After the landsmeet i felt bad and being hypocrite as i how much i wanted to kill Arl Howe but i would have never asked someone else to do it for me (actually, part of me hoped that Arl Howe would have getaway and that we would have never kill him except in a sequel).

But anyway, that was my first playthrough. I'm quite sure that 2nd playthrough with my Chantry close, Cleric a-like (Arcane Warrior + Spirit Healer) goodie fellow will be better friend for Alistair and thus will give me better image for him! :happy:

Gah, i'm not even sure if i explained it well enough as i'm not comfortable about my english

[Lianaar]

I just got to the part where Alistair delivers his speech. He is definitely made to be a leader.

It was very nice to see the difference before and after the landsmeet.

Before him he mumbled: I hope I am not expected to make a speech.

Here he took the initiative, stood up, while he didn't have to and he delivered THE speech that had to be told. Wow. I wasn't entirely sure about him, but that made me reconsider. He is king material.

[Memengwa]

In my playthrough he didn't have to ask my permission. There's a lot of choices you can make in the Landsmeet. One of the choices leads to you choosing who fights Loghain, and one other leads to Alistair fighting him (in this second choice you get to say that you'll fight Loghain instead, but that's it). I let Alistair do the fighting. This ends with you not even getting the choice to spare the guy - Alistair cuts him down. My PC found it fitting for Alistair to be the one fighting Loghain.

[Taritu]

Isaantia wrote...

Yorleen wrote...

In another thread, someone wrote that Morrigan would not only place the archdemon's soul in the future baby but also redeem it (as it used to be an old gone)... Is this accurate?

If so, as the ritual needs a Grey Warden, wouldn't it be possible that this ritual be carried on two Grey Wardens, naming the PC and Alistair?

Morrigan tells the PC if she asks enough questions that yes, the soul of the old god will be reborn outside of the taint, so redeemed in a sense. But, Morrigan clearly wants this for some other purpose outside of altruism. I don't think she'd allow my PC to have the child.

Well... if you believe her.  I wasn't sure.  She might be telling the truth, she might not. Also, it was Flemeth's idea originally, and Flemeth may not have told Morrigan "yes dear, it'll be corrupted and taint you".  Not.  In addition all the "you can never ever see the baby, I want to do secret things with it" stuff set off all sorts of alarms.

Decided I wasn't willing to take the chance.  In fact, after she made her suggestion, if the game had allowed it, I would have killed her.  My character was a gray warden through and through by then and Morrigan was a potential threat.

That said, if doing the Morrigan romance, and therefore maybe trusting her, I'll probably take her offer.

[Lianaar]

My character was friends with her. That means Sophie saw the pain and hurt in Morrigan and accepted her for who she is with the believe her soul itself isn't corrupted, she merely isn't familiar with the human concepts of friendship, love and all.



When after the deed you talk with her she gets really ****y, and there is an option where you say to her: thank you for everything.

Morrigan almost cries and says: that means the world to me, my friend.



That made her very credible.

[Lianaar]

On a different note, I might be evil, but seeing that cutscene made me so laugh.

He looked like a young boy scurrying off his bed pointing toward the bed with horrified fear: THERE IS A SPIDER IN MY BED!!!

[Yorleen]

I haven't seen everything yet but so far I don't see Morrigan as someone evil, just someone who wasn't given enough love... Flemeth broke her dreams when she broke the mirror Morrigan had stolen, this was cruel... This story really moved me and I felt sorry for her and started to feel more friendly. I do think she is the way she is because of her education and this lack of love...

[Boeresmurf]

Yorleen wrote...

I haven't seen everything yet but so far I don't see Morrigan as someone evil, just someone who wasn't given enough love... Flemeth broke her dreams when she broke the mirror Morrigan had stolen, this was cruel... This story really moved me and I felt sorry for her and started to feel more friendly. I do think she is the way she is because of her education and this lack of love...

u can give her some emotional moments later in the game when she starts to learn what a true friend means.. i really got moved by that conversation with her..  it was very deep, and she even thanks u for everything u thaught her again later on when she wants a baby from you

[Sc4Freak]

Heck this is complicated. It seems that options for a happy ending are rather limited - and you have to make the exact correct choices.

I made a flowchart of choices which lead to happy/bad endings as I understand it. I don't know if it's completely accurate or not - anybody here want to chime in?

http://img197.images...geflowchart.png

[Yorleen]

Oh thanks, this is great and helpful! Do you allow me to post the link on my group?

[Yorleen]

Boeresmurf wrote...
u can give her some emotional moments later in the game when she starts to learn what a true friend means.. i really got moved by that conversation with her..  it was very deep, and she even thanks u for everything u thaught her again later on when she wants a baby from you

I also remember that at some point you can tell her that you remember you loved your mother, when talking about the years before the mage tower... She seemed envious and sad, that's not something she has got to know with Flemeth.

[MFCell]

I read everything up until here. I wanna say a few things. I'm happy to see the female population likes Alistair. As much of a pseudo-dating-sim as this for guys, at least one of the options for females is both believable and has attached to him a difficult and deep story. Also, kudos to Bioware for posting about Alistair. Now onto my important points, and the true reason I made this post.

Coined phrases !

Morrigans Magical Vahjayjay ... this is just to hilarious.

Operation: Loghain Shield ... hahahahahahahahahaha

Modifié par MFCell, 19 novembre 2009 - 01:23 .

[flem1]

The only "happy ending" mod that might make sense is having Riordan put someone *else* through the joining after you/Alistair lop off Loghain's head. (Maybe Ser Cauthrien if you don't kill her?)



But then again, that wouldn't quite fit the tone of the story.

[flippingthemako]

I have never became so emotionally involved in a game before this. Before I started playing, I told myself that Zev would be my romance interest but I immediately fell in love with Alistair. I haven't come to the ending of the game yet and have read all the spoilers about it. I couldn't help myself. Now, I can't bear to come to the ending. I just want Alistair all to myself, w/o the she-witch's hands on him

Just hoping that DA 2 will continue on with my character and the choices she made previously.

[flippingthemako]

flem1 wrote...

The only "happy ending" mod that might make sense is having Riordan put someone *else* through the joining after you/Alistair lop off Loghain's head. (Maybe Ser Cauthrien if you don't kill her?)

Mod away I say.  Mod away.