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[Savvy30039]

I'm actually hoping DA2 takes place over 30 years after the original, so that you and Alistair are both dead. It just seemed like my character's story was complete. Sure I'd like to see some of the characters again, but I'd rather just like to hear some people talking about what an awesome set of rulers we made. So I most certainly want to return to the world of Dragon Age, but maybe a different country, or at a different time. I got enough closure in this story so that I'm ready for a new one.

[syllogi]

Savvy30039 wrote...

I'm actually hoping DA2 takes place over 30 years after the original, so that you and Alistair are both dead. It just seemed like my character's story was complete. Sure I'd like to see some of the characters again, but I'd rather just like to hear some people talking about what an awesome set of rulers we made. So I most certainly want to return to the world of Dragon Age, but maybe a different country, or at a different time. I got enough closure in this story so that I'm ready for a new one.

This seems like the most plausible way of doing a sequel.  But I love the companions from this game, I'd be sad if we don't get more of them (and I think I've got a crush on Steve Valentine's voice now).

[David Gaider]

Sc4Freak wrote...

Heck this is complicated. It seems that options for a happy ending are rather limited - and you have to make the exact correct choices.

I made a flowchart of choices which lead to happy/bad endings as I understand it. I don't know if it's completely accurate or not - anybody here want to chime in?

http://img197.images...geflowchart.png

Not quite. There is an additional variable regarding whether or not Alistair's views have been "hardened" by the player after his encounter with his sister. There's probably more variation, as well, though Mary could probably tell you better than I.

[Fanderay]

 There's apparently another ending, where if you aren't noble, but still harden Alistair, you can sort of end up as his mistress.  Check out this post here: http://community.liv...=298904#t298904

[Walina]

David Gaider wrote...

Sc4Freak wrote...

Heck this is complicated. It seems that options for a happy ending are rather limited - and you have to make the exact correct choices.

I made a flowchart of choices which lead to happy/bad endings as I understand it. I don't know if it's completely accurate or not - anybody here want to chime in?

http://img197.images...geflowchart.png

Not quite. There is an additional variable regarding whether or not Alistair's views have been "hardened" by the player after his encounter with his sister. There's probably more variation, as well, though Mary could probably tell you better than I.

Still, we can't avoid the ritual / cheating even if we harden him or no. Am I wrong ?
Oh right, ending as his mistress is a good thing, I am going to ell that to all married women in this world (lol)

Modifié par Walina, 19 novembre 2009 - 04:20 .

[Lianaar]

Let us not forget that we live in a different world then DA is in. The social structure is not the same as we have. I do presume that in any feudal type of setting marriage is more of a contract then an actual love thing. Anora is liked and has practice, Alistair has the blood. It wouldn't be uncommon to have mistresses on the side who you love. There were times in RL history when such women had status and power due to being mistresses. It isn't the same as it is in today's reality.

[syllogi]

Walina wrote...
Still, we can't avoid the ritual / cheating even if we harden him or no. Am I wrong ?
Oh right, ending as his mistress is a good thing, I am going to ell that to all married women in this world (lol)

You can opt not to make him king and go off on adventures with him, which, honestly, since you're both Grey Wardens and should be politically neutral, makes plenty of sense.

[Tielis]

In the "Guide to Becoming Queen" thread, someone said that they "hardened" Alistair, saved Loghain and had him take the bullet, then was Alistair's mistress when he married Anora.

[Lianaar]

I find that hard to believe myself.

[Isaantia]

Tielis wrote...

In the "Guide to Becoming Queen" thread, someone said that they "hardened" Alistair, saved Loghain and had him take the bullet, then was Alistair's mistress when he married Anora.

I think this is lies. Or maybe more wishful thinking. lol.

[Fanderay]

I linked a LJ post about the mistress option higher up on this page if you're interested. Seems legit.

[Haasth]

Isaantia wrote...

Tielis wrote...

In the "Guide to Becoming Queen" thread, someone said that they "hardened" Alistair, saved Loghain and had him take the bullet, then was Alistair's mistress when he married Anora.

I think this is lies. Or maybe more wishful thinking. lol.

It apparently IS possible. Suppose that would make a lot of the people in here happy? 

[Fanderay]

Haasth wrote...

Isaantia wrote...

Tielis wrote...

In the "Guide to Becoming Queen" thread, someone said that they "hardened" Alistair, saved Loghain and had him take the bullet, then was Alistair's mistress when he married Anora.

I think this is lies. Or maybe more wishful thinking. lol.

It apparently IS possible. Suppose that would make a lot of the people in here happy? 

Probably, if it didn't seem a bit buggy and unfinished.  From what I've read, it doesn't sound like it's as solid an ending as the others, and you sort of figure out that you're a mistress, but it's not clearly stated.

[Laurelinde]

Hee hee I do have to love that Alistair has inspired flowcharts of how to romance him. Bless his little cotton socks. Or perhaps big cotton socks. Oh baby.



(Kidding, I'm not turned on by socks.)

[Yorleen]

David Gaider wrote...
There's probably more variation, as well, though Mary could probably tell you better than I.

Would be cool if she could let us know. 

[Sc4Freak]

David Gaider wrote...

Sc4Freak wrote...

Heck this is complicated. It seems that options for a happy ending are rather limited - and you have to make the exact correct choices.

I made a flowchart of choices which lead to happy/bad endings as I understand it. I don't know if it's completely accurate or not - anybody here want to chime in?

http://img197.images...geflowchart.png

Not quite. There is an additional variable regarding whether or not Alistair's views have been "hardened" by the player after his encounter with his sister. There's probably more variation, as well, though Mary could probably tell you better than I.

Hmm. So if you make Alistair king, and you both survive, and you're not a Human Noble, you can convince Alistair to leave if you've "hardened" him?

In that case, the revised chart is as follows:

http://img5.imagesha...eflowchart2.png

Although I wonder exactly what this "hardening" actually consists of. There are the speech options after you visit Goldanna, but is that it? Throughout the game there are a lot of opportunities to tell Alistair to man up and that he's a whiny little SOB. But I don't think many people who are trying to romance Alistair will pick those speech options.

But in any case I'm pretty sure it's still not complete. There's another option I had forgot about - you can persuade Anora and Alistair to marry and rule jointly if you have a high enough coercion skill. But I don't know what the effects of that are. There's a post with some details here; anybody care to fill in the details?

[Vaeo]

relhart wrote...

He's a tool, to put it simply. A selfish whiny tool, I spent the whole "romance" wishing I could slap some man into him.

That was awesome. 

[Savvy30039]

TeenZombie wrote...
This seems like the most plausible way of doing a sequel.  But I love the companions from this game, I'd be sad if we don't get more of them (and I think I've got a crush on Steve Valentine's voice now).

Don't we all? Half of what makes Alistair's lines so great is the delivery. Alistair is seriously the best character ever, and I've no doubt we'll be comparing all future romances to his, but I'm confident that new companions will be just as dynamic as the ones in Origins. And if you played your cards right, the player has the backstory on all the current companions already, which kind of limits the stuff you can talk about with them. So I'd be happy with a cameo or two, but I'm not so sure with having them return as companions.

[SweetiePea]

I'm actually really angry at the ending. Yes, I get that this is a dark fantasy. Flame and carp at me if you must, but I wanted a happy ending. I've waited *years* for this game and I wanted to have some sort of payoff. I'm not against having the option to have a dark ending, but I also wanted the option to have a happy ending.

And, no, my human female noble having the "option" to marry Alistair and be queen is not what I'd consider a happy ending. Why? Oh, there's the small matter of my character having to convince him to have an abomination with Morrigan so that neither he nor my PC has to die, enabling them to get married and be king and queen. Awww, how romantic. For love of her man, my character can choose to do something so morally reprehensible that it makes my stomach hurt. Or she can let him die and let that conniving snake Anora become queen. Wow, what great choices!

Seriously, BioWare, I'm angry with you. The romance was so well done and so fun and this is the end result? Really? I've been a fan for years now, ever since KotOR (which is still one of my favorite games) and I've never been disappointed in you. At least, not until now.

Modifié par SweetiePea, 21 novembre 2009 - 04:05 .

[Vioitty]

I didn't harden Alistair (and I refuse to load 20 hours back TO harden him, lol) and I chose Anora to be queen. When listening to his speech before the final battle, I felt so guilty for not believing he would be a good king, and wanting him to be free and with myself .



I need a good long talk with Wynne .

[Laurelinde]

SweetiePea wrote...

I'm actually really angry at the ending. Yes, I get that this is a dark fantasy. Flame and carp at me if you must, but I wanted a happy ending. I've waited *years* for this game and I wanted to have some sort of payoff. I'm not against having the option to have a dark ending, but I also wanted the option to have a happy ending.

And, no, my human female noble having the "option" to marry Alistair and be queen is not what I'd consider a happy ending. Why? Oh, there's the small matter of my character having to convince him to have an abomination with Morrigan so that neither he nor my PC has to die, enabling them to get married and be king and queen. Awww, how romantic. For love of her man, my character can choose to do something so morally reprehensible that it makes my stomach hurt. Or she can let him die and let that conniving snake Anora become queen. Wow, what great choices!

Seriously, BioWare, I'm angry with you. The romance was so well done and so fun and this is the end result? Really? I've been a fan for years now, ever since KotOR (which is still one of my favorite games) and I've never been disappointed in you. At least, not until now.

Yeah in-game-morally-wise I think the best option is to leave Alistair at the gates and sacrifice yourself.  I didn't, partly because I really wanted Alistair there to tank the last battle, and partly because I convinced myself that Ferelden needs Alistair and he needs FemCousland to be a good king, so I gave Morrigan and her blood magic the benefit of the doubt.  But in spite of everything I did kind of hope for a happy ending for my PC, because she was good and beautiful and strong and deserved good things to happen to her, that I and everyone else can't get in the real world.

So now I'm queen.  Kiss my ring peasants!

[Antikristine]

Laurelinde wrote...

SweetiePea wrote...

I'm actually really angry at the ending. Yes, I get that this is a dark fantasy. Flame and carp at me if you must, but I wanted a happy ending. I've waited *years* for this game and I wanted to have some sort of payoff. I'm not against having the option to have a dark ending, but I also wanted the option to have a happy ending.

And, no, my human female noble having the "option" to marry Alistair and be queen is not what I'd consider a happy ending. Why? Oh, there's the small matter of my character having to convince him to have an abomination with Morrigan so that neither he nor my PC has to die, enabling them to get married and be king and queen. Awww, how romantic. For love of her man, my character can choose to do something so morally reprehensible that it makes my stomach hurt. Or she can let him die and let that conniving snake Anora become queen. Wow, what great choices!

Seriously, BioWare, I'm angry with you. The romance was so well done and so fun and this is the end result? Really? I've been a fan for years now, ever since KotOR (which is still one of my favorite games) and I've never been disappointed in you. At least, not until now.

Yeah in-game-morally-wise I think the best option is to leave Alistair at the gates and sacrifice yourself.  I didn't, partly because I really wanted Alistair there to tank the last battle, and partly because I convinced myself that Ferelden needs Alistair and he needs FemCousland to be a good king, so I gave Morrigan and her blood magic the benefit of the doubt.  But in spite of everything I did kind of hope for a happy ending for my PC, because she was good and beautiful and strong and deserved good things to happen to her, that I and everyone else can't get in the real world.

So now I'm queen.  Kiss my ring peasants!

I agree with you. The best and most "secure" option is to take the blow and let Alistair become king (since you don't have the wildcard and possible demon child out there). But since you as a noble human have more experience with noble life than Alistair has (and more than Anora as well since she also orignally is a commoner),  the human noble female PC is the best queen candidate. 

After having the ending in which Alistair sacrifices himself (I indended to do it myself, but didn't get the chance), I wanted to see what had happened if I accepted Morrigan's offer. Then the slides tell me that Alistair takes the queen (you) on a tour and all people in the country love you and can't avoid seeing how much the king adores you, and you are popular monarchs for 30 years. You know that there's a wildcard out there, but at least it seems the next 30 years will be very good for Ferelden. So maybe this ending is not bad after all? I befriended Morrigan (had her at 90) and her attitude towards me in the last conversation suggested that she didn't mean any harm to me and Alistair at all, something which further emphasises that this end doesn't need to be that bad.

[Tankenminnet]

I think any ending that involves a shapeshifting witch who believes 100% in doing what's needed for survival carrying around an old god is very uh... ominous. Grey Wardens are about sacrifice, people! You know this! 

Do you see the man to my left? DO YOU SEE HIM? THAT WAS HIS FACE IN THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF HIS LIFE- RESOLUTE AND SMUG! GREY WARDEN WAS HE UNTIL THE END, and he didn't turn into some sort of puss when he realized what had to be done! To think that you went through all those sacrifices and options, just to back out in the ending! Shame on you! SHAME!

Modifié par Tankenminnet, 21 novembre 2009 - 01:59 .

[Lianaar]

Sacrifice when need to be. However my char made a promise to kill darkspawn and fight the taint. That is brilliant in Morrigan's offer. The child would not be tainted after all. The taint would disappear. So my oath would not include killing the kid. Or refraining from making it. Naturally there is a moral dilemma and a question of trust that is tilting the scale one way or another.

[SweetiePea]

What really bothers me is this idea that those of us who are unsatisfied with the way things play out want a "happy kitten ending". What's wrong with wanting something good and nice for your PC? Just as in real life, if there's no hope for happiness, if there's nothing but unrelenting misery in the world, what's the point? I don't see wanting a truly happy ending as being any less valid than enjoying the ending with Alistair sacrificing himself.