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[Savvy30039]

Tankenminnet wrote...

I think any ending that involves a shapeshifting witch who believes 100% in doing what's needed for survival carrying around an old god is very uh... ominous. Grey Wardens are about sacrifice, people! You know this! 

Do you see the man to my left? DO YOU SEE HIM? THAT WAS HIS FACE IN THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF HIS LIFE- RESOLUTE AND SMUG! GREY WARDEN WAS HE UNTIL THE END, and he didn't turn into some sort of puss when he realized what had to be done! To think that you went through all those sacrifices and options, just to back out in the ending! Shame on you! SHAME!

... I love you.

Your face I mean, I love your resolute face. *cough*

But any female character that's in love with Alistair doesn't have the chance to sacrifice themselves. I wish I could have. It would have been a fitting bit of retribution for a spoiled noble that never really did anything honorable with her life until she joined the Gray Wardens. And since Alistair was my favorite character, he seemed worth preserving, so that he could go on to be the great king I knew he could be. But unfortunately Al felt I deserved to live more than him, and ran off to sacrifice himself without giving me a chance to stop him.

So it's just that being with Alistair complicates your options. Which is what this entire thread is about you know.

Modifié par Savvy30039, 21 novembre 2009 - 09:54 .

[Vioitty]

Tankenminnet wrote...

I think any ending that involves a shapeshifting witch who believes 100% in doing what's needed for survival carrying around an old god is very uh... ominous. Grey Wardens are about sacrifice, people! You know this! 

Do you see the man to my left? DO YOU SEE HIM? THAT WAS HIS FACE IN THE LAST FEW SECONDS OF HIS LIFE- RESOLUTE AND SMUG! GREY WARDEN WAS HE UNTIL THE END, and he didn't turn into some sort of puss when he realized what had to be done! To think that you went through all those sacrifices and options, just to back out in the ending! Shame on you! SHAME!

Man I laughed so hard when I looked at your avatar and this post. Best grey warden award goes to him

[PuffyTail]

Vaeo wrote...

relhart wrote...

He's a tool, to put it simply. A selfish whiny tool, I spent the whole "romance" wishing I could slap some man into him.

That was awesome. 

I can't help but be amused that the male NPCs in Bioware games that make most of the female players swoon seem to be viewed as whiny or annoying by most of the guys.  Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned in there somewhere.

[Lianaar]

Ughm... please no. It is fun to swoon about a man who isn't real, because he isn't real. It doesn't mean any woman would really take that guy if he appeared right now. You know finding socks in your bedrolls tends to get annoying after a while. And whining is certainly not what men should do to women. Alistair's strength lies in his ability to grow up. In his respect toward people and himself. In his humor and his thoughts. So if anyone wants to learn anything from him I suggest those values. Btw, they might be appealing in women too, or so I would guess.

[PuffyTail]

Lianaar wrote...

Ughm... please no. It is fun to swoon about a man who isn't real, because he isn't real. It doesn't mean any woman would really take that guy if he appeared right now. You know finding socks in your bedrolls tends to get annoying after a while. And whining is certainly not what men should do to women. Alistair's strength lies in his ability to grow up. In his respect toward people and himself. In his humor and his thoughts. So if anyone wants to learn anything from him I suggest those values. Btw, they might be appealing in women too, or so I would guess.

I doubt that a woman with Alistair's personality would be seen as whiny or annoying to quite so many guys.  Perhaps because women are "allowed" to be that way when men are not?

I also found Alistair's personality (and Leilana's, for that matter) much more personally appealing before being hardened and I would feel the same if they were real people (as cynicism and bitterness don't impress me).  They're not requirements of being a mature or responsible person, IMHO (and really, I think seeing the world in a negative way just presents the illusion of making it easier to cope with it versus actually making it so).  I'd definitely take a real-world Alistair with the occasional sock in the bedroll over any number of real men who have presented themselves as options over the years (although he'd lose out to the man I'm with now...sorry, Alistair ).

Modifié par PuffyTail, 21 novembre 2009 - 11:52 .

[Kinaori]

Sc4Freak wrote...
Hmm. So if you make Alistair king, and you both survive, and you're not a Human Noble, you can convince Alistair to leave if you've "hardened" him?

In that case, the revised chart is as follows:

http://img5.imagesha...eflowchart2.png

Although I wonder exactly what this "hardening" actually consists of. There are the speech options after you visit Goldanna, but is that it? Throughout the game there are a lot of opportunities to tell Alistair to man up and that he's a whiny little SOB. But I don't think many people who are trying to romance Alistair will pick those speech options.

But in any case I'm pretty sure it's still not complete. There's another option I had forgot about - you can persuade Anora and Alistair to marry and rule jointly if you have a high enough coercion skill. But I don't know what the effects of that are. There's a post with some details here; anybody care to fill in the details?

OK hang on a sec - I want to start from a save before Morrigan's offer and decline it, but I'll sacrifice *myself*... is it possible?  Can you leave Alistair out of your party and go bite it and he lives?

Modifié par Kinaori, 22 novembre 2009 - 01:13 .

[Walina]

@ Kinaori : yes, many people testified you can, you just don't take with you into your party.



If anyone want to continue this conversation beteween "fans" please join us in our social network group (link in my signature).

[Joie de Combat]

Savvy30039 wrote...

But any female character that's in love with Alistair doesn't have the chance to sacrifice themselves.

Untrue! A female PC can sacrifice herself even if Alistair is in love with her. She just has to leave him at the gates of Denerim to lead the defense there instead of taking him into Fort Drakon with her. If he's not up on the tower when the archdemon goes down, he can't take the choice out of her hands.

[Riona45]

Could I have some opinions from fellow Alistair fans?



Tell me: Is the dialogue sweeter when you invite Alistair to bed with you for the first time (and his approval is high enough to accept), or when he comes to you?



I'm still sorta kinda at the beginning of the game (doing my first major quest, the Broken Circle), so I haven't bedded him yet. I just want you all to tell me what you think is the best dialogue.

[Joie de Combat]

Riona45 wrote...

Could I have some opinions from fellow Alistair fans?

Tell me: Is the dialogue sweeter when you invite Alistair to bed with you for the first time (and his approval is high enough to accept), or when he comes to you?

In my opinion, the dialogue is more rewarding if you wait for Alistair to ask you rather than propositioning him. If you ask him yourself, he's very flustered and awkward, whereas when he asks you, he's still awkward but more heartfelt and sweet.

Modifié par Joie de Combat, 22 novembre 2009 - 03:40 .

[Riona45]

Joie de Combat wrote...

In my opinion, the dialogue is more rewarding if you wait for Alistair to ask you rather than propositioning him. If you ask him yourself, he's very flustered and awkward, whereas when he asks you, he's still awkward but more heartfelt and sweet.

Thanks for your opinion.

Will Alistair come to me on his own eventually (when my approval rating is high enough) even though I've asked him to "join me" once before?  It was too early, but I told him I thought his shyness was cute and I actually got some more approval from that.

[Joie de Combat]

I'm pretty sure that as long as the love scene itself hasn't triggered yet, he'll still approach you when you reach the necessary approval rating, even if you asked him previously and were turned down.

[Riona45]

Joie de Combat wrote...

I'm pretty sure that as long as the love scene itself hasn't triggered yet, he'll still approach you when you reach the necessary approval rating, even if you asked him previously and were turned down.

Pretty sure?  Well, I'll take that--thanks for your comments.

[Sc4Freak]

Kinaori wrote...

Sc4Freak wrote...
Hmm. So if you make Alistair king, and you both survive, and you're not a Human Noble, you can convince Alistair to leave if you've "hardened" him?

In that case, the revised chart is as follows:

http://img5.imagesha...eflowchart2.png

Although I wonder exactly what this "hardening" actually consists of. There are the speech options after you visit Goldanna, but is that it? Throughout the game there are a lot of opportunities to tell Alistair to man up and that he's a whiny little SOB. But I don't think many people who are trying to romance Alistair will pick those speech options.

But in any case I'm pretty sure it's still not complete. There's another option I had forgot about - you can persuade Anora and Alistair to marry and rule jointly if you have a high enough coercion skill. But I don't know what the effects of that are. There's a post with some details here; anybody care to fill in the details?

OK hang on a sec - I want to start from a save before Morrigan's offer and decline it, but I'll sacrifice *myself*... is it possible?  Can you leave Alistair out of your party and go bite it and he lives?

Yes, you're right. I've updated it to include this, as well as the option to get Anora and Alistair to marry and rule jointly.

It's still not complete, but it's getting there.

(click for larger image)

Modifié par Sc4Freak, 22 novembre 2009 - 11:18 .

[Lianaar]

I didn't support Anora before the landsmeet, Alistair duelled and killed Loghain, I talked with them and agreed to have Anora be the queen. Alistair was not hardened. I yet got my happy ending with him, so he wasn't ordered executed.

[Sc4Freak]

Hmm, odd. What are the conditions for having Alistair be ordered executed then? Maybe you need to actively support Alistair before the landsmeet?



I swear, this is getting complicated. Somebody needs to break into the game's scripts and get the full source for all of this.

[Lianaar]

I read somewhere that if Logain's life is spared and you support Anora as queen then he gets executed. I never tried that version, because it is just so wrong

[Yorleen]

Joie de Combat wrote...

In my opinion, the dialogue is more rewarding if you wait for Alistair to ask you rather than propositioning him. If you ask him yourself, he's very flustered and awkward, whereas when he asks you, he's still awkward but more heartfelt and sweet.

I found it quite cute actually when my character asked him the first time and he wasn't ready, the dialogue is sweet.  Then I waited for him to propose it himself and that was also cute, lol.

[Shady314]

PuffyTail wrote...
I can't help but be amused that the male NPCs in Bioware games that make most of the female players swoon seem to be viewed as whiny or annoying by most of the guys.  Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned in there somewhere.

Don't be fooled by a vocal minority. Alistair is like a brother to me.

[Yorleen]

Nice to hear. My boyfriend seems to enjoy discussing with him as well. He just had the lampost topic, lol, so I could check what you can say as a guy.

[tigrina]

Riona45 wrote...

Joie de Combat wrote...

I'm pretty sure that as long as the love scene itself hasn't triggered yet, he'll still approach you when you reach the necessary approval rating, even if you asked him previously and were turned down.

Pretty sure?  Well, I'll take that--thanks for your comments.

Very sure even. You just need to have his personal quest done first though.

[Damsel of Distress]

Yorleen wrote...

Nice to hear. My boyfriend seems to enjoy discussing with him as well. He just had the lampost topic, lol, so I could check what you can say as a guy.

You can get the lampost conversation as a guy? I really need to actually play some of the male characters I've made. Bromance all the way.


I do have one question about playing as a female noble. If you make Alistair king and he's in love with you, will he propose to you after the landmeet/during the epilogue or do you have to use the persuade option "Alistair shall be king and I shall rule with him." to become queen?

[Yorleen]

Yes, you can have the lampost conversation as a straight friend curious to know about Alistair's level of "experience" in women.

[Giantmoth]

I guess the moral of the story is that if you want to have a happy ending, you can't be selfish. Morrigan is offering you a happy ending, for the small sacrifice of a night with Allastair. When did people get the fools notion that sleeping with someone else(especially out of necesity) would destory your love?



My own character refused Morrigan, not because she refused to share Alastair, but because she didn't think ANYTHING good would come out of her getting the hands of a child with the power of the old god. So in the end, she chose the sacrifice, for the good of all.