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I don't know who's going to get what awards, I can only speak for my own anticipated experience. I loved Oblivion and the Fallout games, but definitely not as much as the Dragon Age games. It's possible that they could have fixed the problems with Skyrim, but I'm not holding my breath since I've come to expect things like excrutiatingly long loading screens and constant crashes from those games. I also have other issues, like the fact that the Oblivion gates were so boring and tedious (I hope they aren't in Skyrim) and things like in Fallout New Vegas where I saved an important character in the game, which was hard as heck and clearly not what the developer intended but allowed, (not giving name or place so as not to give spoiler) who said we should work together but then completely disappeared for the rest of the game as if he'd died. Now I don't mean to make it sound like I didn't enjoy those games, I did a great deal. BUT I will take Dragon Age's love interest tradition (the thing that I really enjoy that stands out for me as I feel a greater "connection" to the game), more interesting companions, better spells and skills, shorter loading screens, and less freezing every time when given a choice.



Firstly there wont be Oblivion Gates in Skyrim. The plot of the game is about the return of the Dragons (hello? Dragon Age jealousy anyone?). At least it seems so anyway - it may be the return of the Tsaesci of Akavir to Tamriel but I dont think so.

Second. I totally agree with you about the pain in the ass bugs in Bethesda games. The worst part is they never fix them; they release a couple lame ass attempts at patching that fix half a dozen to a dozen minor bugs and it ultimately falls to the community to fix the problems with massive unofficial patching projects.
This has happened with every single Bethesda game except for New Vegas which is an Obsidian game.

Dragon Age 2 did a lot of things right - the engine itself for example is vastly improved. It runs faster and more efficiently; there isnt a slow down while playing like there was in DAO, that necessitated restarts every hour or so even with "patching" to fix the problem.
The talents and tactics are vastly improved and much more useful now over the offerings of DAO; and the conversation wheel with added icons means that it is no longer possible to be ninjamanced. Yay.
The faster animations and lack of finishing moves while sad that we no longer have them except in the occasional cut scene results in a much quicker and much more enjoyable combat experience (slightly dampened by the fact that battles seem to only get harder by the game subscribing to a Human Wave doctrine).
The chargen is much easier to use; it was much easier to make a sexy Man Hawke or a hawt Fem Hawke than it was to make a nice looking Warden (without mods).
The city of Kirkwall feels like a living breathing city whereas Denerim and Amaranthine was somewhat bland and boring by comparison; and the party banters are more frequent and a lot more fun. Also a lot more realistic, the DAO companions by the end of the game all seem to get along fine but in DA2 the companions never seem to learn to get along and actually seem to end up hating each other more as time progresses

The problem with Dragon Age 2 I think is that it falls short of its promise. While it does many things right it doesnt quite get there in the way that Dragon Age Origins or Mass Effect 2 did; it doesnt hit that gaming sweet spot even if it does come close.
Cos of the flaws the game has.

They really should have pushed back the release date by 3 months to give themselves time to pad out and polish the game. It is clear that the game was rushed (in spite of Bioware repeated assurances it wouldnt be) and really needed a little bit longer to be finished properly.
The good news is all the base elements are there now in the DA2 engine so that they will need less time to "tweak" and "rework" things at the basic level for DA3; so they will have more time to work on the padding and polish for that game.

I think it's evident that if BIoware want to save Dragon Age 2, then DLC ala Witch Hunt and Lair of the Shadow Broker just are not going to cut it. A full expansion is going to be needed to finish off this game properly, the way it ought to have been.

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What month is it?

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Dave of Canada wrote...

PhrosniteAgainROFL wrote...

If Skyrim has two voice actors between 100 unique characters, takes place in the same meadow(now icy forest) and has boring combat system and main plot then no Skyrim won't be GotY.


It worked for Oblivion.

no, it didn't. that game SUCKED

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The thing is Bethseda has always been a fan based company. They always want to work on problems and they do try to fix things. They encourage mods. And they really love their game. Unlike Bioware whom's director hated everything about Origins. Bethseda loves the Elder Scrolls series. And they are always always looking for ways to improve their games. I have been on the Bethsoft forums and no offense, but they really have a better community there. Bethseda is never afraid to take fan's critques or even take fan's words. I have seen several Bethseda workers whom have taken their fans word for value. Even if they didn't add it into the next game, they still say "we'll take a look, thanks for the input". Where as I have been on this Bioware site and half of Bioware they don't have that love.
The reason Oblivion won GOTY was because it was made with the love of the series. And its what the fans wanted of the Elder Scrolls series.
Bethseda cares.

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Really what month is it?

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DiggingistDog wrote...

Really what month is it?


Huh?

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boohead wrote...

morrowind -> goty
oblivion -> goty
fallout 3 ->goty


hmm..i wonder....and Skyrim is the biggest advacement to the games/genre.


Fallout 3 didn't deserve that, and not even Oblivion did.

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Deylar wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Really what month is it?


Huh?


If it is March, which I think it is, then it is a bit early to make that decision and besides do you plan on playing every RPG until Skyrim and ME3 come out?  No? Then your statement is further void of logic.

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dark zentai wrote...

DA2 is one of best rpg i,ve played this year
it is a shame skyrim will steal all the awards from DA2
as we all know skyrim will have tons of bugs and crash every 5 min

the only problem with DA2 is are cooldown times 
and i thought the DA:O characters are a little better   
but everything else is much better


You put alot of faith in Bethseda. 

They've consistently removed features with each successive TES iteration,  the last one was an Adventure game not an RPG due to level scaling,  and their parent cooporation is pushing this game out because they overextended themselves with all the recent purchases.

They've spent hundreds of millions they didn't have,  and had to borrow,  to buy a bunch of studios some of which haven't released a game in 6 years.  They're bankrolling all of it on Bethseda,  I doubt Skyrim's going to impress.  It'll be rushed too.

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dark zentai wrote...

Darji wrote...

dark zentai wrote...

DA2 is one of best rpg i,ve played this year
it is a shame skyrim will steal all the awards from DA2
as we all know skyrim will have tons of bugs and crash every 5 min

the only problem with DA2 is are cooldown times 
and i thought the DA:O characters are a little better   
but everything else is much better

Yes its the best RPG this year so far because there was nothing else there. as for until Skyrim hell no!!!

In 2 month the witcher 2 will be release Also there is Risen 2 comming out before skyrim too. While the Witcher 2 cleary  will destroy Dragon Age 2  in every aspect Risen has a great chance too atleast on the PC. Will it be nominated for best RPG this year? I really dont think so because there are stil quite a few RpGs comming out this year. Will it win any award? No way it will

Oh if you count JRPGs i think that Yakuza 4 will get better overall ratings than dragon age 2



the Witcher 2 has one problem its not on a xbox360 or a ps3
were still waiting for the witcher 1



A real RPG was never meant to be on consoles...take look at D3, Did Blizzard ever announce it will on consoles? dont think so....

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Aesieru wrote...

boohead wrote...

morrowind -> goty
oblivion -> goty
fallout 3 ->goty


hmm..i wonder....and Skyrim is the biggest advacement to the games/genre.


Fallout 3 didn't deserve that, and not even Oblivion did.


what are u talking bro, fallout 3 is a legend.....untouchable....

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lul... here I am, in before Skyrim will take all prizes from anything Dragon Age related... and Dragon Age will deserve that bitchslap.

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Y'know GotY isn't exclusive to one game, I'm sure Red Dead Redemption won GotY wiht ME2 too.

But anyways, DA2 won't win GotY. Bethesda has a track record of GotY's

TW1's awards are:
PC RPG of the Year from IGN, PC Gamer, and GameSpy
RPG of the Year from GameSpot

@PhrosniteAgainROFL suck it

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GunClubGirl wrote...

The city of Kirkwall feels like a living breathing city whereas Denerim and Amaranthine was somewhat bland and boring by comparison;


Not agree with you on this one, i dont feel a Krikwall is living place at all, merchants and citizens basically dont do ****t while they stand there forever.....night concept is good, but think about fallout 3, TIME is such a important factor to make a game realistic, but Bioware decided to let players to choose day and night was kinda whack. Time should be uncontrollable.

Modifié par zachfang, 15 mars 2011 - 03:55 .


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Mr.Kusy wrote...

lul... here I am, in before Skyrim will take all prizes from anything Dragon Age related... and Dragon Age will deserve that bitchslap.


+100

Bioware made a bad decision, they totally deserve all the unpleasant critics they are hearing right now..

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While i doubt da2 would beat skyrim for goty you have to remember me3 is out this year too. No bethesda game to date could compare with me2. They make decent open-world rpgs but they're always super lifeless, doubt it'll compete with the fleshed out well-voiced and acted characters in me3 especially since me3 will be the conclusion of the trilogy. Illusive man could never even show up and just be the disembodied voice of martin sheen man and he'd still be more compelling and feel more alive than any character in any bethesda game.

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skyrim is going to be the same trash Oblivion was. overhyped because of the open world. The leveling system is god awful once again. This game never had GOTY. Risen 2 will be better, Witcher 2 will be better. hell FFXIII-2 will be better lol let's not forget Deus Ex 3

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zachfang wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

boohead wrote...

morrowind -> goty
oblivion -> goty
fallout 3 ->goty


hmm..i wonder....and Skyrim is the biggest advacement to the games/genre.


Fallout 3 didn't deserve that, and not even Oblivion did.


what are u talking bro, fallout 3 is a legend.....untouchable....


Not for the year, and not with all the bugs and problems and plot holes... and the butchery of it from Fallout 1 and 2.

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zachfang wrote...

GunClubGirl wrote...

The city of Kirkwall feels like a living breathing city whereas Denerim and Amaranthine was somewhat bland and boring by comparison;


Not agree with you on this one, i dont feel a Krikwall is living place at all, merchants and citizens basically dont do ****t while they stand there forever.....night concept is good, but think about fallout 3, TIME is such a important factor to make a game realistic, but Bioware decided to let players to choose day and night was kinda whack. Time should be uncontrollable.


I agree with this guy who is disagreeing with the other guy.  Does that make sense to you?

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It's gonna be a tight race between Mass Effect 3 and Skyrim....mark my words. This is how 2011 will epically go down. The best Holiday season known to the mankind.

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Aesieru wrote...

boohead wrote...

morrowind -> goty
oblivion -> goty
fallout 3 ->goty


hmm..i wonder....and Skyrim is the biggest advacement to the games/genre.


Fallout 3 didn't deserve that, and not even Oblivion did.


both of those were the best rpg's of 2006 and 2008

Fallout New Vegas was no slouch last year it was either that or Mass Effect 2 or Nier and no way Nier was going to win, ME2 ended up winning because Obsidion games are cursed with bugs even if they have great writing

2011 is a watershed year for rpg's anyways you've got Rift, Two Worlds 2, Dragon Age 2, Risen 2, The Witcher 2, Torchlight 2, Deus Ex Human Revolution, Star Wars The Old Republic, Dark Souls, Mass Effect 3, Skyrim, and possibly Diablo 3

even if Dragon Age 2 didn't have any polishing flaws it would still be a tough competition for best rpg of 2011 because there's no way it would win against Mass Effect 3

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 15 mars 2011 - 04:33 .


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Aesieru wrote...

zachfang wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

boohead wrote...

morrowind -> goty
oblivion -> goty
fallout 3 ->goty


hmm..i wonder....and Skyrim is the biggest advacement to the games/genre.


Fallout 3 didn't deserve that, and not even Oblivion did.


what are u talking bro, fallout 3 is a legend.....untouchable....


Not for the year, and not with all the bugs and problems and plot holes... and the butchery of it from Fallout 1 and 2.

I agree with the guy who disagrees with the guy who thinks FO3 is a GOTY.  Still making sense?

Modifié par DiggingistDog, 15 mars 2011 - 04:34 .


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You agree with me in my disagreement with those who think FO3 is the GOTY.

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LMAO @ all the people saying this is rpg game of the year so far. It's pretty much the only RPG so far. That's like saying Earth is the best habitable planet so far. haha

As for game of the year so far in general, I give it to Dead Space 2......easily.

Modifié par Dazaster Dellus, 15 mars 2011 - 04:36 .


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Deylar wrote...

The thing is Bethseda has always been a fan based company. They always want to work on problems and they do try to fix things. They encourage mods. And they really love their game. Unlike Bioware whom's director hated everything about Origins. Bethseda loves the Elder Scrolls series. And they are always always looking for ways to improve their games. I have been on the Bethsoft forums and no offense, but they really have a better community there. Bethseda is never afraid to take fan's critques or even take fan's words. I have seen several Bethseda workers whom have taken their fans word for value. Even if they didn't add it into the next game, they still say "we'll take a look, thanks for the input". Where as I have been on this Bioware site and half of Bioware they don't have that love.
The reason Oblivion won GOTY was because it was made with the love of the series. And its what the fans wanted of the Elder Scrolls series.
Bethseda cares.


Are you sure you don't have Bethseda confused with some other company?

-Many fan sites complain of Bethseda blacklisting them for expressing concerns about their designs,  some sites are so blacklisted that Bethseda's software autocensors the names.

-Bethseda has consistently done it's best to remove things from the series with each iteration,  every game had less skills than the last.  Usually at the cost of gameplay,  such as climbing,  or spell creation.  Bethseda doesn't seem to like the TES design very much,  they've been moving further and further away from it with each release.

-Bethseda has a "Better community" because they ban anyone who disagrees with them.  Which leads to...

-Bethseda has huge problems taking critique,  if you don't toe the "FPP combat should be applied to every game ever!" line you'll get banned out of the community.  Didn't you ever wonder why their boards turned completely positive for Fallout 3 right after their E3 push?  Did you take a few minutes to note the names of who was and wasn't posting?  Bethseda bannned people left and right during that last E3 show for not being positive enough!.  One poster's ban was for "Posting rhetorical questions".

-Bethseda created an NPC in Oblivion that did nothing but mock TES fans for wanting them to keep skills.  Not only do they not respect the fans,  they disparaged them publicly.

-Oblivion won the award because there were no other RPGs released that year,  except for one that really sucked hard.  There's a big difference between winning an award,  and simply being the only candidate.  It sold that many units only because it was the only "RPG" available for the 360.  I use RPG very loosely,  as in "Bethseda put the letters on the box but the game wasn't an RPG". 

Bethseda is,  hands down,  the most devious studio I've ever seen.