92 réponses à ce sujet

[falranth]

This topic has moved on over to the Project Announcements & Recruiting forum.
http://social.biowar...75/index/287778  

Please head on over, or check out our Project Page:
http://social.bioware.com/project/657/

Modifié par falranth, 24 novembre 2009 - 01:53 .

[warpax2176]

/subscribed looking forward to this!

[falranth]

I'm going through and transcribing all of Alistair's dialogue (as well as recording it all in video)... I really wish that there was a script or that I could access it in the toolset, but I'd like to be able to search through it anyway.



I'm guessing that if I can't even open his conversations in the toolset then I can't use them at all in a mod, right?

[mythSSK]

I'm a bit wary of mods that add to existing characters, considering of voice acting, but it's possible that enough of his dialog from the regular romance can be salvaged to make it work?

[falranth]

Well, some problems with that. First, the romance dialogue with existing characters is heterosexual, meaning that some of it is useless because Alistair addresses gender. Second, I think that even in the fantasy world of Ferelden, relationship dynamics between men are different than those between men and women, even to the point where'd I'd say that homophobia exists (certainly to a smaller degree than in reality, but Zevran does go on about how Antiva is so much more open-minded and all).



As for voice acting, I'm hoping desperately that someone can do at least a somewhat close impersonation of Alistair.

[Sakimi]

Ohhh very awesome and interested! /subscribed

[mythSSK]

If you can get a competent Alistair impersonator voice actor, it'd be fantastic. Hope that it works out.

[falranth]

Me too. From what I understand there are a lot of voice actors in the community. As soon as I finish more conceptualization, I'll start seeking them out.

[falranth]

Here's my progress transcribing Alistair's dialogue.

http://docs.google.c...85q_859hd7jdqcn

I'm recording videos, but they're large and clunky, so I'll probably delete them unless someone thinks I should or wants me to keep them.



Already got another new idea: revisiting Ostagar to mourn Duncan (that doesn't happen already does it?). I don't know if it's possible, we'll see. There's also other things to consider, such as visiting the grand cleric, the Chantry where Alistair grew up and began training as a Templar (Redcliffe I believe, tho I don't think he even mentions it while there), or to stretch it a bit, Weisshaupt Fortress



Let me know if you've any thoughts.

[mythSSK]

No, you can't return to Ostagar at any point after Duncan's death. Though Alistair does talk about going to Highever (I think, where Duncan was born) after the Blight to build a memorial for him there.



Weisshaupt Fortress is a great idea for a mod, but I think it's a little outside the scope of your project. Try to focus your energy, don't go all over the place and spread yourself too thin.

[DLAN_Immortality]

Im interested in the technical part of this.



How did you manage to extract Alistair's dialogs with the toolset? I havent been able to find his conversations to edit/add to them anywhere. The only thing I found are warcries and stuff like that.



How do you intend to achieve this from a technical point of view?

[falranth]

mythSSK wrote...

No, you can't return to Ostagar at any point after Duncan's death. Though Alistair does talk about going to Highever (I think, where Duncan was born) after the Blight to build a memorial for him there.

Weisshaupt Fortress is a great idea for a mod, but I think it's a little outside the scope of your project. Try to focus your energy, don't go all over the place and spread yourself too thin.

Yes, I figured Weisshaupt would be stretching it.

Surely with a mod one could return to a copy of Ostagar? As for Highever, I may consider it.

DLAN_Immortality wrote...

Im interested in the technical part of this.

How did you manage to extract Alistair's dialogs with the toolset? I havent been able to find his conversations to edit/add to them anywhere. The only thing I found are warcries and stuff like that.

How do you intend to achieve this from a technical point of view?

I didn't get them from the toolset. I wish I could. Instead, I'm recording videos of me going through each choice in the game, then I type them in. It's rather tedious, but I really want to be able to search through his dialogue.... and this helps me get to know him better, too.

I'm not quite sure how I intend to achieve this from a technical point of view. I'm not a very technical person (especially when it comes to programming) and my toolset is, as Alistair would say, very mean. Right now I'm just conceptualizing and writing small bits of conversation. I figure it's always better to aim high and then conform to technical constraints through elimination. I'm hoping that others will step in to help with the more technical aspects, though. Again, if anyone has technical tips, I'd love to hear them.

[falranth]

 Instead of taking the time to transcribe everything, I think I'm going to plow through the rest of the game just to get a better idea of what's going on in the later parts of the story. As I said, I have a skeleton of a plot. I just need to fluff it up and write the actual scenes/conversations. But still, if you have any ideas for consideration, please share.

[falranth]

If someone wouldn't mind, I could use some help with some research.



Do Grey Wardens turn into darkspawn? Do darkspawn infect those they attack?

[Gvaz]

grey wardens eventually become darkspawn, yes



thats why they go to the deep roads and take as many out as they can before they turn into one



as for darkspawn infecting, i think it's only if you eat their flesh or drink their blood. darkspawn are "tainted"

[Dark_Ansem]

Grey Wardens do NOT turn in Darkspawn. as far as I understand, they are immune to corruption but have a shortened lifespawn (the reason they go in the deep roads). The infection by Darkspawn happens because they spew their blood over their victims (either purposely or not). drinking it is actually a different thing, since instead of corrupting your tissues and brain it either kills you or makes you immune.

Modifié par Dark_Ansem, 16 novembre 2009 - 09:56 .

[falranth]

Thank you. That helps things fall into place more.

[falranth]

So Grey Wardens are completely immune to turning into darkspawn? In a way it seems like they already are darkspawn, being part of their collective unconscious and everything. I need to go over that whole conversation again that Alistair gives.



Alistair grew up in the Redcliffe chantry, right? Also for the Chantry, I know they're prudish when it comes to sex, because Alistair had expected to be struck by lightning and whatnot after the hetero sex. But is their any other evidence as to how they view sex or relationships? I don't expect them to be explicitly homophobic, but I'm wondering if it seems like they favor "traditional" relationships. Or would that be too much of a leap?



I'm asking because that would present another issue to touch on, particularly in Alistair's development.

[dark_oblivion9032]

i hope this works out cause i would really like to see this!

[falranth]

From the unofficial Dragon Age Wiki that a very helpful someone linked me to:



"According to the Chant of Light, Andraste had a spiritual marriage with the Maker. All Andrastian priests are symbolically wedded to the Maker; they cannot marry, but are not required to be celibate. In the eyes of the Chantry, marriage is a matter of tradition and practicality, and a holy bond between man and woman. Love is not necessary, but love within marriage is the ideal. Other than that, the Chantry has few regulations regarding sexuality.

The Chantry does not have divorce, but a marriage can be annulled."

"The majority of Fereldans consider same-sex relations odd, but not immoral, while Orlesians consider it a quirk of character."

http://dragonage.wik...ty_and_Marriage



So let's consider this. The Chantry seems mostly concerned with marriage. I would say this has little concern in a homosexual relationship, as marriage in Ferelden likely does not carry the legal baggage it does here--except for Alistair's royalty. In this way, his relationship with the player could be seen as impractical at best, unacceptable at worst, to even those outside of the Chantry. Even if the player became something of a concubine for Alistair, he may be viewed as an unwelcome distraction or competition for a wife, which could prove problematic considering the need for producing and raising a solid heir. I get the idea that polyamory is not as acceptable in Ferelden as it would be in, say, the Circle of Magi or Orzammar. There's also the Orlesian/Ferelden history of Meghren and Florian, which may have left some people bitter about homosexuality, especially concerning royalty.

[falranth]

"The taint that gives Grey Wardens the ability to detect darkspawn, also cuts short their lives. They have about thirty years to live give or take a few after their joining. Yet, rather than withering away from their sickness, Grey Wardens experience the Calling, where they choose to descend to the Deep Roads to battle darkspawn and end their lives with purpose."

http://dragonage.wik...ki/Grey_Wardens



The Calling seems rather mysterious. I wonder if there is not some other reason why they are drawn to the Deep Roads? I have a feeling there's something else going on here, and I wish I knew more so I could work with it.



http://dragonage.wik...ki/Broodmothers

It also seems darkspawn are born from the Broodmother, not made. Yet, I continue to wonder why infected men are dragged down if it is to simply die--it makes no sense. They'll die anyway from the disease, and while infected they'd be more useful on the surface.

[Clegan]

falranth wrote...

"The taint that gives Grey Wardens the ability to detect darkspawn, also cuts short their lives. They have about thirty years to live give or take a few after their joining. Yet, rather than withering away from their sickness, Grey Wardens experience the Calling, where they choose to descend to the Deep Roads to battle darkspawn and end their lives with purpose."
http://dragonage.wik...ki/Grey_Wardens

The Calling seems rather mysterious. I wonder if there is not some other reason why they are drawn to the Deep Roads? I have a feeling there's something else going on here, and I wish I knew more so I could work with it.

http://dragonage.wik...ki/Broodmothers
It also seems darkspawn are born from the Broodmother, not made. Yet, I continue to wonder why infected men are dragged down if it is to simply die--it makes no sense. They'll die anyway from the disease, and while infected they'd be more useful on the surface.

Have you even played the game?
Grey Wardens will die, nothing can stop it.  They also go insane the closer to death they are.  They go to the Deep Roads to kill as many Darkspawn before they die/go insane.  Grey Wardens are usless waisting away in an insane aslym.

re: Broodmother and captured men.
Infected men are usless as a fighting force, they are just insane men that will drool on themselves and run away. The Broodmother eats the captured men.  Possibly to strip the DNA to make the Darkspawn. Women are not killed if possible, they are fed the men to make them Broodmothers.

[falranth]

 Yes I've played the game.  But I haven't finished it yet.

It's hard to remember every single detail of the story.

I didn't consider the Broodmother eating the men. That makes sense. I actually haven't gotten that far yet.

Thanks.

[Meegz0]

"First day, they come and catch everyone... Second day, they beat us and eat some for meat... Sixth day, her screams we hear in our dreams... Ninth day, she grins and devours her kin... Now she does feast, as she's become the beast..."

Well, I believe that the people that are kidnapped are "fed" to the broodmother. Men don't turn into anything. They merely grow insane and die. It's of course it's the females that undergo changes and are forced by darkspawn to "feed" on the men or even the unco-operative women.

Modifié par Meegz0, 17 novembre 2009 - 02:12 .

[Gvaz]

You forgot the part where the darkspawn effectively "rape", either physically or emotionally, the women in part of that chant.