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[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Hey, hey guys. I think Dragon Age 2 is an awesome role playing game. 'Flame On!'

[Virginelfs]

lol, Heavy Strategy...

It's a button masher with added auto-attack.

Only PC gamers gave a damn about this franchise, it was a PC-first game after all...

Not anymore.

Console sales are falling fast anyway...People only buy a few select franchises, while games stuck in the middle get ignored.

Modifié par Virginelfs, 14 mars 2011 - 07:31 .

[stu117]

im pretty sure origins came out on other systems than the pc rofl

[Ixalmaris]

Virginelfs wrote...

lol, Heavy Strategy...

It's a button masher with added auto-attack.

Only PC gamers gave a damn about this franchise, it was a PC-first game after all...

Not anymore.

I would like to hear an exmplanation how Shogun 2 is a button masher?

[Virginelfs]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Virginelfs wrote...

lol, Heavy Strategy...

It's a button masher with added auto-attack.

Only PC gamers gave a damn about this franchise, it was a PC-first game after all...

Not anymore.

I would like to hear an exmplanation how Shogun 2 is a button masher?

I didn't get it right.

[Virginelfs]

stu117 wrote...

im pretty sure origins came out on other systems than the pc rofl

It's a PC game ported to consoles and it shows.

Most games are made with console limitations in mind, DA : O wasn't.

It was  a PC game with no influence.

[stu117]

it was a cross platform game

[Bourne Endeavor]

I certainly have been vocal with my criticism of BioWare's most recent choices, and while I am in agreement DA2 is lacking in comparison to its predecessor. The notion DA2 is an abomination is frankly ridiculous melodrama perpetrated by jaded DA:O fanatics made all the more evident by the shortsighted nature of posts delighted over potential poor sales. What those individuals fail to realize is the indication such figure demonstrate to EA. There will not be a malicious epiphany, wherein EA acknowledges these streamlined changes were a mistake. No, it will only serve to reinforce their belief single player, story drive video games are a relic, and time has passed them by in favor of online multiplayer. Should DA2 fail to impress you can all but guarantee that is the immediate thought upon their mind; "what if this had a multiplayer?" DA2 must sale mildly well yet fail to eclipses Origins for any consideration this direction may have proven ill advised to linger.

Nevertheless, I reiterate that DA2 is lacking. That being said, it is still an above average game and arguably superior to the plethora of titles over saturating the market. I suppose one could reasonably debate a six out of ten, although even that is something of a stretch. Anything less is borderline trolling. You may not fancy the game, and such is your prerogative but due check your bias at the threshold if you would.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

all people wishing that this game fails will only make EA cancel the series and be like jade empire (so much for "loyal" bioware customers)

[stu117]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I certainly have been vocal with my criticism of BioWare's most recent choices, and while I am in agreement DA2 is lacking in comparison to its predecessor. The notion DA2 is an abomination is frankly ridiculous melodrama perpetrated by jaded DA:O fanatics made all the more evident by the shortsighted nature of posts delighted over potential poor sales. What those individuals fail to realize is the indication such figure demonstrate to EA. There will not be a malicious epiphany, wherein EA acknowledges these streamlined changes were a mistake. No, it will only serve to reinforce their belief single player, story drive video games are a relic, and time has passed them by in favor of online multiplayer. Should DA2 fail to impress you can all but guarantee that is the immediate thought upon their mind; "what if this had a multiplayer?" DA2 must sale mildly well yet fail to eclipses Origins for any consideration this direction may have proven ill advised to linger.

Nevertheless, I reiterate that DA2 is lacking. That being said, it is still an above average game and arguably superior to the plethora of titles over saturating the market. I suppose one could reasonably debate a six out of ten, although even that is something of a stretch. Anything less is borderline trolling. You may not fancy the game, and such is your prerogative but due check your bias at the threshold if you would.

sensible i do hope that bioware returns to the 9/10 work though

[Gatt9]

stu117 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Got news for you bud...you may think PC gaming is dying but it NEVER will.

Neither will consoles

Actually,  you're looking at the death of consoles.  As well as the downward slope of an industry crash.  Generally be a good idea to have some knowledge about what you're trying to discuss.

The current generation of console hardware has demonstrated two key problems.  First,  heat dissipation:  As the 360 and to a lesser extent the PS3 show,  they're having an incredibly hard time dissipating the heat in a console's tiny form factor.  360's warp the motherboards,  PS3's cook the power supplies. 

Second,  yields,  PS3's Cell chip shows that alternate designs to manage heat produce low yields.  Cell started out with a less than 10% yield,  for every one that worked,  9 didn't.  Hence the PS3's incredible launch price.

There won't be another generation.  Chips today are even hotter than the 5 year old ones they can't cool now,  and they need a great deal more power.  They're not going to be able to pull together some small form factor console without resorting to refrigerated units,  and even if they do,  they're going to need 600+ watt powersupplies to do it.  Thing is,  most houses can't handle that kind of draw on a powerline.  Especially when you go back 10 years,  600+w draw was unheard of on a single 110 line.

In short,  by the time they figure out how to manage something,  people will already be installing 16-32 core PC's in a home-server config that'll remotely interface a whole household.

Truth is,  Console gaming is dieing.

The industry,  it's been on a downward slide.  2010 was down all year despite legendary releases such as Starcraft 2,  Grand Turismo 5,  FF13,  and WoW expansion.  2011 started out down from 2010.  Nearly 20% down from 2009.  Before someone tries it,  go google "Gaming recession proof",  at the peak of the recession gaming was showing growth. 

If you go do some more research on the subject,  you'll find that historically,  without a hardware reset every 5 years,  the industry succumbs to gamer fatigue.  Without that new "Wow!" factor,  people grow tired of the same few games.  This is why MS and Sony released the motion devices last year,  to replace the 5-year hardware refresh. 

As gamers grow more fatigued of the same couple games over and over,  they stop buying the average ones and gravitate to the AAAA ones.  Publishers get nervous and force more games to converge to the same tired genres (FPS, TPS, RTS),  which in turn increases gamer fatigue,  until we hit a critical point where people don't even care about the AAAA releases any more.  Then the industry crashes.

Or more to the point,  it shifts. 

You see,  this isn't the first time this has happened.  It's a cycle.  Atari gave way to C64,  C64 gave way to the flashy new nes, Genesis, SNES.  Fatigue occured and gave way to PC gaming.  Flashy new PSx, PS2, Xbox,  360,  and now we come full circle and give way back to the PC.

Most studios won't survive.  They usually die en masse on a shift.  The last one saw the death of: Interplay,  Sierra,  Looking Glass,  3do,  New World Computing,  and many others. 

So tbh,  you can sit there and claim we're all old and everything should be your way.  In 2 years,  you'll find out.  That's about all the time you've got left with this,  the next 24 months are going to be brutal. 

Btw,  now would be a really good time for you to head over to Gamespot and read EA's press release about how the PC platform is going to be huge for them in the future.  Even EA sees what's happening now.

[stu117]

not going to quote your novel but consoles are not dying i enjoy pc games every now and again but alot more people play console games than pc games they are just not "gamers" practically every1 i know has a system of some sort. and when the next gen of consoles come out people will buy again. both are going to exist lol

Modifié par stu117, 14 mars 2011 - 07:59 .

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Gatt9 wrote...

stu117 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Got news for you bud...you may think PC gaming is dying but it NEVER will.

Neither will consoles

im a pc elitist and hate console for kiddies that have been around far longer than any pc gaming

fixed

[stu117]

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

stu117 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Got news for you bud...you may think PC gaming is dying but it NEVER will.

Neither will consoles

im a pc elitist and hate console for kiddies that have been around far longer than any pc gaming

fixed

the force is strong with this one

[LoneFullmetal]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Hey, hey guys. I think Dragon Age 2 is an awesome role playing game. 'Flame On!'

Well I don't think it is, I know it is

[cljqnsnyc]

If EA was truly under the belief that single player rpg games were a relic, why did they purchase Bioware....a company known foremost for making.......single player rpg games? I think this games' probable failure will not cause the series to die. EA above all else loves money. DAO sold very well as did it's DLC, hardly a dying relic. I don't think they'll interpret the success of one and possible failure of the other as: single player rpg games are dead. See Bethesda and CD Project Red as well as others about that one. DA2 is NOT an RPG game, no matter what it says on the cover. It's an attempt to force change the hard way...and no one likes things done the hard way.

My interpretation is you can't expect fan loyalty when a company ADMITS their goal was to chase down the COD/Halo/GOW crowd.......while trampling over you...the loyal fan.....in a bullrush for larger profits that ultimately may not even be there. Sure, why not go after a larger audience? But at the cost of your main base? They came right out and said if you liked DAO, you probably won't like DA2 or something to that effect. What? Then why bother calling it DA2? Is that what you call loyalty? They couldn't make a DA2 if DAO wasn't a hit....PC GAME OF THE YEAR! Dead relic? I think not. So,  a good number of fans are upset, and rightfully so.

I think it's the Mass Effect 2 effect. You can't "effect" every game you make....it's just not going to work. Who knows? They still want to sell DLC for DA2. Mike Laidlaw said it's "beefier" than any other dlc they've done for Origins. I really hope he's right because that is the main area this game needs improvement in.....BEEF! Also, off topic, mods can make the game a lot more enjoyable as well. Let's see what happens.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 14 mars 2011 - 09:29 .

[fsfsfsfsfsfsf]

stu117 wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

stu117 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Got news for you bud...you may think PC gaming is dying but it NEVER will.

Neither will consoles

im a pc elitist and hate console for kiddies that have been around far longer than any pc gaming

fixed

the force is strong with this one

What you talking about? I have PC games that are probably older than you.

Back on topic, I have my fingers crossed the game does very badly. It's the only way I'll ever see another decent RPG from Bioware. I can't see that happening though. I think it will just get dumber and dumber and more and more popular.

Modifié par fsfsfsfsfsfsf, 14 mars 2011 - 08:53 .

[stu117]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

stu117 wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

stu117 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Got news for you bud...you may think PC gaming is dying but it NEVER will.

Neither will consoles

im a pc elitist and hate console for kiddies that have been around far longer than any pc gaming

fixed

the force is strong with this one

What you talking about? I have PC games that are probably older than you.

Back on topic, I have my fingers crossed the game does very badly. It's the only way I'll ever see another decent RPG from Bioware. I can't see that happening though. I think it will just get dumber and dumber and more and more popular.

pong..... nuff said way older than computers....

[twaninator]

Haha "rpg hipster" is the oxymoron of the century.

[DrunkenMagicianNL]

Gatt9 wrote...

stu117 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Got news for you bud...you may think PC gaming is dying but it NEVER will.

Neither will consoles

Actually,  you're looking at the death of consoles.  As well as the downward slope of an industry crash.  Generally be a good idea to have some knowledge about what you're trying to discuss.

The current generation of console hardware has demonstrated two key problems.  First,  heat dissipation:  As the 360 and to a lesser extent the PS3 show,  they're having an incredibly hard time dissipating the heat in a console's tiny form factor.  360's warp the motherboards,  PS3's cook the power supplies. 

Second,  yields,  PS3's Cell chip shows that alternate designs to manage heat produce low yields.  Cell started out with a less than 10% yield,  for every one that worked,  9 didn't.  Hence the PS3's incredible launch price.

There won't be another generation.  Chips today are even hotter than the 5 year old ones they can't cool now,  and they need a great deal more power.  They're not going to be able to pull together some small form factor console without resorting to refrigerated units,  and even if they do,  they're going to need 600+ watt powersupplies to do it.  Thing is,  most houses can't handle that kind of draw on a powerline.  Especially when you go back 10 years,  600+w draw was unheard of on a single 110 line.

In short,  by the time they figure out how to manage something,  people will already be installing 16-32 core PC's in a home-server config that'll remotely interface a whole household.

Truth is,  Console gaming is dieing.

The industry,  it's been on a downward slide.  2010 was down all year despite legendary releases such as Starcraft 2,  Grand Turismo 5,  FF13,  and WoW expansion.  2011 started out down from 2010.  Nearly 20% down from 2009.  Before someone tries it,  go google "Gaming recession proof",  at the peak of the recession gaming was showing growth. 

If you go do some more research on the subject,  you'll find that historically,  without a hardware reset every 5 years,  the industry succumbs to gamer fatigue.  Without that new "Wow!" factor,  people grow tired of the same few games.  This is why MS and Sony released the motion devices last year,  to replace the 5-year hardware refresh. 

As gamers grow more fatigued of the same couple games over and over,  they stop buying the average ones and gravitate to the AAAA ones.  Publishers get nervous and force more games to converge to the same tired genres (FPS, TPS, RTS),  which in turn increases gamer fatigue,  until we hit a critical point where people don't even care about the AAAA releases any more.  Then the industry crashes.

Or more to the point,  it shifts. 

You see,  this isn't the first time this has happened.  It's a cycle.  Atari gave way to C64,  C64 gave way to the flashy new nes, Genesis, SNES.  Fatigue occured and gave way to PC gaming.  Flashy new PSx, PS2, Xbox,  360,  and now we come full circle and give way back to the PC.

Most studios won't survive.  They usually die en masse on a shift.  The last one saw the death of: Interplay,  Sierra,  Looking Glass,  3do,  New World Computing,  and many others. 

So tbh,  you can sit there and claim we're all old and everything should be your way.  In 2 years,  you'll find out.  That's about all the time you've got left with this,  the next 24 months are going to be brutal. 

Btw,  now would be a really good time for you to head over to Gamespot and read EA's press release about how the PC platform is going to be huge for them in the future.  Even EA sees what's happening now.

That's interesting. We'll see if you're right. :happy:

[Mox Ruuga]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

I certainly have been vocal with my criticism of BioWare's most recent choices, and while I am in agreement DA2 is lacking in comparison to its predecessor. The notion DA2 is an abomination is frankly ridiculous melodrama perpetrated by jaded DA:O fanatics made all the more evident by the shortsighted nature of posts delighted over potential poor sales. What those individuals fail to realize is the indication such figure demonstrate to EA. There will not be a malicious epiphany, wherein EA acknowledges these streamlined changes were a mistake. No, it will only serve to reinforce their belief single player, story drive video games are a relic, and time has passed them by in favor of online multiplayer. Should DA2 fail to impress you can all but guarantee that is the immediate thought upon their mind; "what if this had a multiplayer?" DA2 must sale mildly well yet fail to eclipses Origins for any consideration this direction may have proven ill advised to linger.

Nevertheless, I reiterate that DA2 is lacking. That being said, it is still an above average game and arguably superior to the plethora of titles over saturating the market. I suppose one could reasonably debate a six out of ten, although even that is something of a stretch. Anything less is borderline trolling. You may not fancy the game, and such is your prerogative but due check your bias at the threshold if you would.

I think most everyone knows, deep inside, that there will be no going back.

DA2 = success? Bioware and EA conclude that the streamlining was the reason, and orders even more streamlining for DA3. CoD fans, gotta catch them all!

DA2 = flop? EA concludes that either there wasn't enough streamlining, or that the age of single player RPGs is over. They either proceed to completely dumb down the IP, or kill it and order Bioware to focus on Mass Effect and ToR.

Unfortunately, there prolly are no happy endings for us hard core RPGers. That's why some are so gleeful at all this, while some cling to the shreds, trying to pray the consolization away.

[cljqnsnyc]

I think there is...and it's called "Skyrim."  Complete with mod support and all. That is how pc gaming should be done! Anyway, I'm hoping Bioware gets back it's reputation with it's core fanbase. They really did master the RPG, and I really miss my warden. Looking at his pic brings back such memories!  Ah, better days!

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 14 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[fsfsfsfsfsfsf]

stu117 wrote...

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

stu117 wrote...

PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

stu117 wrote...

Melca36 wrote...


Got news for you bud...you may think PC gaming is dying but it NEVER will.

Neither will consoles

im a pc elitist and hate console for kiddies that have been around far longer than any pc gaming

fixed

the force is strong with this one

What you talking about? I have PC games that are probably older than you.

Back on topic, I have my fingers crossed the game does very badly. It's the only way I'll ever see another decent RPG from Bioware. I can't see that happening though. I think it will just get dumber and dumber and more and more popular.

pong..... nuff said way older than computers....

You should learn to wiki.

[MegaBadExample]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

I think there is...and it's called "Skyrim."  Complete with mod support and all. That is how pc gaming should be done! Anyway, I'm hoping Bioware gets back it's reputation with it's core fanbase. They really did master the RPG, and I really miss my warden. Looking at his pic brings back such memories!  Ah, better days!

Sniffle.

[styx971]

MAD WHITE HAM wrote...

http://www.huliq.com...ceed-45-million

good thing u trolls don't matter much

HAHA

those are only predictions and guess what those don't always come true  ..  i personaly liked the game enough it was a good game  but it was sad when you compare it to the first  and being a sequel ppl should compare it to the previous one and the first was epic.

 i like a big world when i play an rpg be it old new jrpg western rpg doesn't matter in DA:O you had a big world  no you didn't explore it like say elder scrolls or other sandbox-like rpgs you had 3 cities the forests the tower the fade a bit plus the ruins and wilds at the begining and anything else i'm forgetting / not mentioning from dlc.  in DA2 you have kirkwall in the night and day and 3 areas outside the city with caves that all are repeated litteraly reapeated not to say origins didn't have reapeated area like when you traveled between places n got attacked  they did  but not as bad as that since this uses them for almost every quest there is .

comabt its ok  i didn't like how they changed it but its not that bad in the long run on pc it was the camera that bothered me the most as i mostly played origins from looking above it didn't seem bad in the demo but in kirkwall it kept getting traped in odd spots on walls and you couldn't zoom out to fix it ... on 360 the combat  is your average hack n slash rpg not a bad thing i enjoy those but it could've been better for pc.

characters ..

your companions while they weren't all bad they wern't great i personally couldn't connect with them as much as origins  n on that point the romance in this one is horrible  least from what i played of it  in origins you could talk to them go to kiss them n what not in 'camp'  in 2 you can't talk to them while your in party with them you could in origins ok fine  take that away too bad you get a cutscene/dialoge in 2 and thats it when you run all the way to there place in the game and after that they never say anything again no funny adventures  or emotionaly storys of growning up like say zevran and alistar in origins  not to mention the nearly non existance sex scenes  now not to be a perv or anything but you know its there least they can do better than falling over on a bed while kissing for example and that being the end of it forever only kiss in the game or scene least for who i picked to romance .

 you on the other hand you don't get to pick whole you are where you came from sure fine your hawke  from lothering i can deal with that  i personaly like being an elf but ok your trying to set the games story up to be good no problem not all games have those options.  too bad its hard to conect with the person you play as i mean 1st part the intro ok  your fleeing from the blight  well ok i know what the blight is n stuff i played the first game all good  you got past that into your main area then have a cut scene n a couple things to say  a small choice to make boom cut scene a years gone by WHY  what was the point there goes the connection to your hardship of the first events that should have been in the game fine the games supost to take place over a decade or so  but too bad that happens the entire game .

graphics  i personaly don't care too much with graphics when it comes to games i rather have a good story/ gamplay that being said they hyped up the graphics and i personaly couldn't say they got better in a few spots i accualy thought it was worse pc wise and i have a pretty good pc  n thats even with there graphics pack.

the dialoge wheele while not bad i didn't like just because i don't want a game telling me i'm making a good or mean or greedy chioce cause sometimes i felt that even tho i wanted to pick 1 thing i didn't wanna be a jerk either  not that it mattered cause what was on the wheel wasn't really even part of what was said 

inventory  wise while i can see they wanted to get rid of clutter and changed some things for the better like the crafting and stuff like that  i don't see the point of them making the companions have a set armor except being lazy about designing it since you still get a bunch of junk armor that you don't need like mage armor for example when your a warrior that could have been put to good use on your companion mage of likewise for any other class .

sorry for rambling i hadn't intended to make a review it just happed  please excuse my bad spelling