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[LaughingDragon]

Metacritic DA:II PC user score is 3.9/10  http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii

Metacritic DA:O PC user score 8.3/10  http://www.metacriti...gon-age-origins
 
So what caused a score to shift from 8.3 down to 3.9 from game 1 to game 2?

Discuss!

[Blood-Lord Thanatos]

possibly the insolence of Rushing?

[The_mango55]

User scores are worthless.

[Atmosfear3]

Yeah, because user scores really matter.

[MachDelta]

The score was bombed by a flash mob.

Next question.

[WJC3688]

Multiple things.

DA2 is not DA:O, and many people do not like change, regardless of whether it is positive or negative change.

DA2 feels rushed in some aspects (the painfully obvious re-use of dungeon areas being the best example IMO).

DA2's "streamlining" changes strike many people as "consolization" and "catering to the CoD crowd"; they don't like these changes as they consider them to represent a reduction in complexity, and complexity is one of the main things a lot of these people want in their games.

Whether or not these criticisms are truth or inflated anti-hype is subjective. IMO there's a bit of both. DA2 does indeed feel rushed in some aspects, but I don't think the "console-catering" aspects of it actually detract from the experience in any significant way. The only place where the gameplay changes might have actually reduced complexity is this deal where I can't change my companions' armor anymore, but then in other areas, DA2 actually increased in customization options from Origins, with for example only 2 weapon-dependent talent trees and 4+ independent talent trees for warriors, with the reverse being true in Origins. This game has its flaws, but Origins was hardly perfect itself.

[ColdbringeR]

User scores are worthless for a couple of reasons:

1. They have nothing to lose from giving a poor score. Their credibility is not at stake like a professional review writer.

2. They often score things lower or higher than they are deserving of because they want their opinions to matter more than others.

[Sabiancym]

Fans are betrayed, that's why. You can't take a fairly deep classic PC RPG and turn it into an action console game and not expect to ****** people off.

I'm very happy to see all the hate. Maybe bioware will think twice next time before releasing garbage.

[Athro]

 Having taken the time to look through a number of those negative reviews, there are a lot of people who have never reviewed on Metacritic before except for DA2 - and they have some how managed to complete the game within a short period of release and have done so on all three platforms.

This is the thing that bugs me most about these user "reviews" - they aren't even trying to cover the fact that they haven't played the game. They criticise faults not in the final product, they write a "review" for all three platforms - meaning that they either have bought all three versions or they are making false assumptions.

It just ends up negating the value of their opinons.

I can understand the people who have voted 4-5 and state clearly that they have played the game and didn't like it. All good. But there aren't many who voted below 5 that strike me as being honest reviews. They are full of fallacies and reek of being a low score as punishment for DA2 not being the game they wanted rather than a reasonable criticism of the game as it is.

C.

[Sabiancym]

The_mango55 wrote...

User scores are worthless.

So the user score of 8.3 for origins is worthless?  No...the user scores usually average out very well.  

You people are just upset that the game isn't being praised by everyone.  Why you are upset by that I don't know, but it seems like there are a lot of you who feel the need to live and die with how this game is perceived.

[Literateminority]

Customers that felt ripped off because they thought they had pre-ordered a classic crpg? Many people to not visit forums and game news sites regularly. They played the first game, liked it, and pre-ordered the second because they thought it would be similar, which it is not.

And people that feel ripped off usually retaliate in one way or another.

[The_mango55]

Sabiancym wrote...

The_mango55 wrote...

User scores are worthless.

So the user score of 8.3 for origins is worthless?  No...the user scores usually average out very well.  

You people are just upset that the game isn't being praised by everyone.  Why you are upset by that I don't know, but it seems like there are a lot of you who feel the need to live and die with how this game is perceived.

Yes, the user score of 8.3 for origins is also worthless.

All user scores are worthless.

[Ixalmaris]

Bad games get bad scroes. Nothing unusual there.
Even Bioware begging for good reviews will not help.

[Sabiancym]

Athro wrote...

 Having taken the time to look through a number of those negative reviews, there are a lot of people who have never reviewed on Metacritic before except for DA2 - and they have some how managed to complete the game within a short period of release and have done so on all three platforms.

This is the thing that bugs me most about these user "reviews" - they aren't even trying to cover the fact that they haven't played the game. They criticise faults not in the final product, they write a "review" for all three platforms - meaning that they either have bought all three versions or they are making false assumptions.

It just ends up negating the value of their opinons.

I can understand the people who have voted 4-5 and state clearly that they have played the game and didn't like it. All good. But there aren't many who voted below 5 that strike me as being honest reviews. They are full of fallacies and reek of being a low score as punishment for DA2 not being the game they wanted rather than a reasonable criticism of the game as it is.

C.

It really doesn't matter why people reviewed it.  If someone was so angry about the direction of the game that they took the time to sign up to various website and bash it actually says more about the game than just your regular reviewer.

People are mad about the direction of the game, and it shows.  Origins was a good game, and it got a good user score.  Stop trying to act like user scores are worthless just because you don't like the outcome.

[Athro]

Sabiancym wrote...

Fans are betrayed, that's why. You can't take a fairly deep classic PC RPG and turn it into an action console game and not expect to ****** people off.

I'm very happy to see all the hate. Maybe bioware will think twice next time before releasing garbage.

That does not give them the right to sabotage the scoring. It's petty and unproductive. Furthermore, it wont make Bioware change their minds - if anything, it will make Bioware less able to pay attention to the legitimate criticisms.

I'm all for people saying what they didn't like and suggesting what they want. I don't think spiteful stacking of the scores is a good thing - especially by people who haven't played the game and blatantly show that they haven't played the game.

On another forum I saw one guy boasting about how he only played the demo and then went and gave DA2 a 0 on metacritic for all platforms. He also boasted he wasn't the only one. Well I've played the demo and I've played the game on PS3 - the demo is not the same as the game. So he lied in his reviews.

Which, IMO, negates the value of the user reviews as much as if all the fanboys just put 10s and said "it's awesome, nuff said."

C.

[The_mango55]

Sabiancym wrote...

Athro wrote...

 Having taken the time to look through a number of those negative reviews, there are a lot of people who have never reviewed on Metacritic before except for DA2 - and they have some how managed to complete the game within a short period of release and have done so on all three platforms.

This is the thing that bugs me most about these user "reviews" - they aren't even trying to cover the fact that they haven't played the game. They criticise faults not in the final product, they write a "review" for all three platforms - meaning that they either have bought all three versions or they are making false assumptions.

It just ends up negating the value of their opinons.

I can understand the people who have voted 4-5 and state clearly that they have played the game and didn't like it. All good. But there aren't many who voted below 5 that strike me as being honest reviews. They are full of fallacies and reek of being a low score as punishment for DA2 not being the game they wanted rather than a reasonable criticism of the game as it is.

C.

It really doesn't matter why people reviewed it.  If someone was so angry about the direction of the game that they took the time to sign up to various website and bash it actually says more about the game than just your regular reviewer.

People are mad about the direction of the game, and it shows.  Origins was a good game, and it got a good user score.  Stop trying to act like user scores are worthless just because you don't like the outcome.

Yes people are mad but the score is worthless. Even people who don't like the game are being dishonest when they rate the game a zero out of 10. To get a zero a game should literally be unplayable, not just "it went in a direction I didn't like so I'm disappointed"

They might as well just have a thumbs up/down button because 90% of the reviews are either a 10 or a 0.

[flushfire]

IMO gamespot's user votes seem to be more realistic. 7.1 on the PC 1k+ votes. as for the mythical /v/ raid on metacritic, there wasn't anything organized really. If there was you'd see something a lot lower. And there are also 10s there with copy pasted reviews btw. Also there's that pure oral of a review PC Gamer did.

[DrunkenMagicianNL]

Each game should be judged on its own merrits. It's definitely not as good/great as Origins, but it's also not so bad that it deserves such a low score. It's just that Origins was better in almost every way...

[Perfect-Kenshin]

You can't go trusting those metacritic reviews. Remember, it's a PROVEN FACT that ABSOLUTELY EVERYONE WHO POSTS there is from 4chan and are just trolling. At least that is the case for those who have negative things to say about DA2

[Athro]

Sabiancym wrote...

It really doesn't matter why people reviewed it.  If someone was so angry about the direction of the game that they took the time to sign up to various website and bash it actually says more about the game than just your regular reviewer.

People are mad about the direction of the game, and it shows.  Origins was a good game, and it got a good user score.  Stop trying to act like user scores are worthless just because you don't like the outcome.

Actually, it doesn't say anything about the game. It just says a lot about the person who put the review down. If you haven't played the game, what business do you have writing a review about it?

If you aren't happy with the direction of the game, don't buy it. THAT's how you show Bioware they failed. Trying to convince other people not to buy it? That's sabotage and petty. It's also seriously dishonest. I don't care how disappointed they are, they have no right to lie about a game because they didn't like the direction it went. That's not going to get them what they want, it's just cutting off their noses in spite of their face.

C

[LaughingDragon]

xnoxiousx wrote...

lol

 OMG xnoxiousx You clearly have tigers blood!

Modifié par LaughingDragon, 11 mars 2011 - 08:33 .

[Ixalmaris]

xnoxiousx wrote...

lol

Well, thousands of people are not so easily bought as reviewers are.

[Chaseroy]

It's funny that all of these people who are talking about the death of the classic RPG - so you've got to assume they are adults - are behaving like complete children. About a video game, no less.